<2022-01-16T01:09:01.000Z> Xeraser: what's going on @varis?
<2022-01-16T01:09:32.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: https://archive.is/NHLw9
<2022-01-16T01:09:39.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: in case shizu deletes this one too
<2022-01-16T01:09:52.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: (he deleted the hellthread with miria and flan)
<2022-01-16T01:10:54.000Z> Xeraser: yeah what happened there i wasn't here for it
<2022-01-16T01:10:58.000Z> Xeraser: what did they do?
<2022-01-16T01:19:27.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: so flan was trying to convince everyone that the UOHHH :sob2: meme originator, mammoth, was a pedophile because he posted jr grav models on his pawoo, then miria came in and posted a screenshot that he had censored with black bars over the girls' bodies.
<2022-01-16T01:19:48.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: real girls btw, i'm not referring to lolis.
<2022-01-16T01:20:40.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: then flan posted the 2 pictures i included in the archive link (photo-realistic lolis mammoth had drawn) and said "let's do a little social experiment. does looking at these make anyone feel uneasy?" strongly insinuating that they were based on real cheese p.
<2022-01-16T01:21:10.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: did you follow all that?
<2022-01-16T01:22:18.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: now other users are running damage control for flan, even after he talked about joining the youjo.love instance, where they *plausibly* post more than just loii
<2022-01-16T01:23:10.000Z> Xeraser: yeah i've asked a few friends on varis 
<2022-01-16T01:23:27.000Z> Xeraser: i didn't know about mammoth tracing from gravure stuff
<2022-01-16T01:23:52.000Z> Xeraser: i only caught a tiny glimpse of that thread and it was about whether some of the images mammoth made could've been traced from cp
<2022-01-16T01:24:09.000Z> Xeraser: and saw a single post with 2 of those images
<2022-01-16T01:24:37.000Z> Xeraser: without the full context i was tempted to ask "so what, loli artists can't have good shading and anatomy otherwise they're tracing from cp?" but decided not to join the hellthread
<2022-01-16T01:25:20.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: imo if they're referencing real images or not there's plausible deniability
<2022-01-16T01:25:45.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: for instance: https://varishangout.net/media/d3beda29-9bee-4c47-ba1d-d96451f9f75a/image.png
<2022-01-16T01:26:01.000Z> Xeraser: lmao
<2022-01-16T01:26:05.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: if you didn't know about george floyd
<2022-01-16T01:26:07.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: then
<2022-01-16T01:26:38.000Z> Xeraser: only one i saw was a loli on the beach or something and thought "yeah it's a good drawing, still doesn't look like an actual child"
<2022-01-16T01:26:38.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: this image would make less sense
<2022-01-16T01:26:57.000Z> Xeraser: then again, i'm not good at recognizing whether something might've been traced or not, especially from CSAM
<2022-01-16T01:27:15.000Z> Xeraser: i don't spend my time looking at pics of kids lmao
<2022-01-16T01:27:22.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: right
<2022-01-16T01:27:27.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: the point here is that flan suggested
<2022-01-16T01:27:39.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: or at least that's my position
<2022-01-16T01:28:08.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: he said something along the lines of "let's do a social experiment. look at these drawings and tell me if they make you uneasy." or something like that (i'm paraphrasing because the original thread was deleted and i don't have a cache of it)
<2022-01-16T01:28:30.000Z> Xeraser: "does looking at these make anyone feel uneasy?" strongly insinuating that they were based on real cheese p." yeah if he wasn't insinuating that then idk
<2022-01-16T01:28:34.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: his insinuation being that they were based on real little girls
<2022-01-16T01:28:41.000Z> Xeraser: sounds like he was trying to make other look at it that way too
<2022-01-16T01:28:43.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: right
<2022-01-16T01:29:06.000Z> Xeraser: why else would he phrase it like that
<2022-01-16T01:29:11.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: the problem isn't that it looked real, the problem is that he was implying it was
<2022-01-16T01:29:11.000Z> Xeraser: like
<2022-01-16T01:29:27.000Z> Xeraser: "oh actually i like those. but he just said they were traced. am i a pedo now?" kind of deal
<2022-01-16T01:29:33.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:29:45.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yep
<2022-01-16T01:29:51.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: he's arguing in the reverse
<2022-01-16T01:29:56.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:30:18.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: liking traced loli doesn't make you a pedo but he's trying to act like they're one and the same
<2022-01-16T01:30:35.000Z> Xeraser: it's not what the subversion is about, it's that he's attempting to subvert varis in the first place
<2022-01-16T01:30:48.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: exactly
<2022-01-16T01:30:50.000Z> Xeraser: aka acting like a jew
<2022-01-16T01:31:25.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: when i see behavior like his it makes me not want to post here
<2022-01-16T01:31:38.000Z> Xeraser: yeah understandable
<2022-01-16T01:32:02.000Z> Xeraser: the whole traced loli thing bothers me
<2022-01-16T01:32:07.000Z> Xeraser: it's a whole other can of worms
<2022-01-16T01:32:24.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: like i'm confident that feds are always watching us and any credible suspicion that we're breaking the law is enough for them to raid our houses, kill our dogs, and ruin our reputations
<2022-01-16T01:32:44.000Z> Xeraser: yeah we call that waco
<2022-01-16T01:32:53.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i don't come here to get my house raided i come here to escape from normalfags that police what we're allowed to post :sob:
<2022-01-16T01:32:58.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah, just like waco
<2022-01-16T01:34:04.000Z> Xeraser: kids gravure is extremely fucking sketchy for me morally, legally i have no idea where it stands in most countries but i'm assuming it's a gray area in japan too
<2022-01-16T01:35:04.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i think it's banned
<2022-01-16T01:35:19.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: but the fact that it ends up on the clearweb at all makes it very unclear
<2022-01-16T01:35:27.000Z> Xeraser: yeah exactly
<2022-01-16T01:35:48.000Z> Xeraser: iirc loli is/was legal here
<2022-01-16T01:35:53.000Z> Xeraser: unless it's traced
<2022-01-16T01:36:21.000Z> Xeraser: problem is how do you prove it's traced
<2022-01-16T01:36:27.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: in my experience japan considers it porn if they're nude but gravure walks the razor's edge
<2022-01-16T01:36:35.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:37:05.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'm 90% sure it's illegal to produce in japan
<2022-01-16T01:37:24.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: since 2014 i think it was
<2022-01-16T01:37:47.000Z> Xeraser: probably for the best 
<2022-01-16T01:37:50.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: anyways yeah
<2022-01-16T01:38:06.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: can't prove that something is traced without admitting that you've seen the original
<2022-01-16T01:38:14.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:38:25.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: and that's self-incriminating lmao
<2022-01-16T01:38:26.000Z> Xeraser: plus the whole thing i said earlier
<2022-01-16T01:38:40.000Z> Xeraser: the "so what, loli artists can't have good shading and anatomy otherwise they're tracing from cp?" thing
<2022-01-16T01:42:05.000Z> Xeraser: anyway yeah
<2022-01-16T01:42:19.000Z> Xeraser: seems like flan did what all subversive kikes do after they get exposed
<2022-01-16T01:42:29.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:42:41.000Z> Xeraser: good riddance
<2022-01-16T01:42:48.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: the thing is, if the law wasn't retarded, what flan did would be fine because he technically didn't post anything illegal
<2022-01-16T01:42:54.000Z> Xeraser: i feel sorry for shizu though, heard he's getting a lot of hate for deleting the og hellthread
<2022-01-16T01:43:09.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: but the law is retarded and it tries to guess what people's intentions are
<2022-01-16T01:43:17.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: is he getting a lot of hate?
<2022-01-16T01:43:24.000Z> Xeraser: heard so
<2022-01-16T01:43:40.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: where at
<2022-01-16T01:43:42.000Z> Xeraser: something something deleting the og hellthread with the allegedly traced stuff = censorship
<2022-01-16T01:44:50.000Z> Xeraser attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/ef7a68fce672cf6963fa2dcf8eb20742ccf724b5886586b6edc644802f6f1d94.png
<2022-01-16T01:45:22.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: and then you have kilo: https://varishangout.net/media/e39e57f9-633e-4a71-86fd-99f960275574/image.png
<2022-01-16T01:46:02.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: it's a good thing i'm archiving all of kilo's kikery
<2022-01-16T01:46:24.000Z> Xeraser: that came off as based but i'm probably interpreting it that way
<2022-01-16T01:46:39.000Z> Xeraser: like "yeah you can say you're a pedo, just be prepared to get fucked"
<2022-01-16T01:46:57.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: ah, i guess i might be biased
<2022-01-16T01:46:58.000Z> Xeraser: though it's probably wishful thinking
<2022-01-16T01:47:07.000Z> Xeraser: haven't followed kilo that much
<2022-01-16T01:49:20.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: he and halss https://varishangout.net/media/30e08c18-50b1-4567-b98b-d65a921467aa/image.png
<2022-01-16T01:49:48.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: they're both playing stupid and now they're spamming me with video memes
<2022-01-16T01:50:00.000Z> Xeraser: oh
<2022-01-16T01:50:07.000Z> Xeraser: what even were those pics
<2022-01-16T01:50:08.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: https://varishangout.net/notice/AFTt8ZJsVfo0tLGyjw
<2022-01-16T01:50:17.000Z> Xeraser: actual gravure mamoth retweeted?
<2022-01-16T01:50:30.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yes
<2022-01-16T01:50:47.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: it was a screenshot taken by miria, or someone who gave it to miria, and it was censored
<2022-01-16T01:50:56.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: but still
<2022-01-16T01:51:24.000Z> Xeraser: still have no idea who miria is
<2022-01-16T01:51:32.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: idk at this point i'm starting to question if maybe i'm finding people guilty of thought crime without being reasonable
<2022-01-16T01:51:38.000Z> Xeraser: i know most active people from varis but not miria
<2022-01-16T01:51:42.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: miria is from youjo love
<2022-01-16T01:51:47.000Z> Xeraser: oh
<2022-01-16T01:51:49.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:51:50.000Z> Xeraser: okay
<2022-01-16T01:51:51.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: maybe you have that instance muted
<2022-01-16T01:51:57.000Z> Xeraser: yeah graf blocked it
<2022-01-16T01:51:58.000Z> Xeraser: thankfully
<2022-01-16T01:52:01.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i made sure to mute them
<2022-01-16T01:52:29.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: for this: https://varishangout.net/media/e8cd2c2e-2260-4bca-9865-2e055a81b20f/Screenshot%20from%202022-01-15%2016-40-26.png
<2022-01-16T01:52:46.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: :asui_what: 
<2022-01-16T01:53:39.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'm probably a moron for posting on varis and believing that it would be a safe place free from feds and pedos
<2022-01-16T01:53:59.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'm still gonna post but if this keeps happening...
<2022-01-16T01:54:12.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: idk i might leave if things get any worse
<2022-01-16T01:54:18.000Z> Xeraser: that pic in flan's post doesn't look like anything that screams traced tho
<2022-01-16T01:54:38.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:55:14.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: idk any insinuation that it was based on real persons makes me uncomfortable
<2022-01-16T01:55:35.000Z> Xeraser: same
<2022-01-16T01:55:41.000Z> Xeraser: but at the same time
<2022-01-16T01:55:45.000Z> Xeraser: how does he know
<2022-01-16T01:56:22.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: idk maybe he's seen something like that
<2022-01-16T01:56:41.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: that's speculating someone else's knowledge
<2022-01-16T01:56:56.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T01:57:08.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'd rather just assume he's not lying
<2022-01-16T01:57:25.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: that said, bubbuka has posted some yabai stuff in the past
<2022-01-16T01:57:28.000Z> Xeraser: and believe it's traced?
<2022-01-16T01:57:38.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: nah
<2022-01-16T01:57:56.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: but he's done a few drawings based on an irl gravure idol
<2022-01-16T01:58:13.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: no porn of her though (as that would probably get him in legal trouble in japan)
<2022-01-16T01:58:34.000Z> Xeraser: flashback to keem's daughter and shad
<2022-01-16T01:58:35.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yet i still follow bubbuka because the majority of his content isn't based on real people
<2022-01-16T01:58:45.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah lmao
<2022-01-16T01:59:06.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i actually follow mammoth too because his less-realistic loli art is actually really good
<2022-01-16T02:00:00.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: it all has to do with plausible deniability imo
<2022-01-16T02:00:10.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:00:20.000Z> Xeraser: if any of the stuff i like is traced
<2022-01-16T02:00:22.000Z> Xeraser: i'd rather not know
<2022-01-16T02:00:26.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i don't care what the artists draw i just want to keep the alphabet boys off my ass
<2022-01-16T02:00:37.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:00:47.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: like obviously if they're posting the real thing i'm gonna unfollow and report
<2022-01-16T02:00:51.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: but they aren't
<2022-01-16T02:00:53.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:01:03.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: so yeah, that's pretty much it
<2022-01-16T02:01:04.000Z> Xeraser: you know what the main problem is
<2022-01-16T02:01:11.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: wot
<2022-01-16T02:01:17.000Z> Xeraser: people can't tell fiction from reality anymore
<2022-01-16T02:01:37.000Z> Xeraser: subversive kikes like flan are responsible for this
<2022-01-16T02:01:41.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: they definitely can
<2022-01-16T02:02:09.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: people on twitter who call drawings "CP" are just being... there's a word for it...
<2022-01-16T02:02:16.000Z> Xeraser: the normies can't, they just follow what everyone else's spewing
<2022-01-16T02:02:32.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: they're being facetious
<2022-01-16T02:02:50.000Z> Xeraser: here's the thing
<2022-01-16T02:02:58.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: or similar to facetious but instead of joking about something serious they're making something serious out of nothing
<2022-01-16T02:03:30.000Z> Xeraser: there's the intellectually dishonest kikes doing all the subverting and there's the normies just following along out of fear of getting called pedos
<2022-01-16T02:03:31.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: (i'm listening)
<2022-01-16T02:03:42.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah i agree with that
<2022-01-16T02:04:06.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: intellectually dishonest assholes and the semantics they use to conflate drawings with the real thing
<2022-01-16T02:04:14.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:04:38.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i don't even care when they call me a pedo because like there's no way to refute it and i'm not gonna spend my time trying lol
<2022-01-16T02:04:53.000Z> Xeraser: that's why i said people can't distinguish fiction from reality anymore, they just go along with whatever the kikes tell them
<2022-01-16T02:05:01.000Z> Xeraser: same
<2022-01-16T02:05:07.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: being a pedo isn't a crime, creating and distributing real CP *is*
<2022-01-16T02:05:23.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: not that i call myself a pedo
<2022-01-16T02:05:51.000Z> Xeraser: i mean they're both crimes :risitas1: 
<2022-01-16T02:06:35.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'm not gonna debate that but i think you know what i mean
<2022-01-16T02:06:42.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: being attracted to lolis is not a crime
<2022-01-16T02:06:51.000Z> Xeraser: i don't care about getting called that since it's from either people who worship trannies and kikes or people who can't think for themselves
<2022-01-16T02:06:59.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:07:19.000Z> Xeraser: word it differently next time :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:07:30.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: no
<2022-01-16T02:07:33.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: lol
<2022-01-16T02:08:28.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: "being a pedo" that is, someone who is attracted to kids, is not a crime but molesting a kid is and creating and distributing CP is a crime. doesn't mean i'm cool with pedos.
<2022-01-16T02:09:11.000Z> Xeraser: are we counting lolis as kids though :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:09:22.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: nah
<2022-01-16T02:09:24.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i'm not being subversive or moving the goal posts or anything. i'm also not saying that people are pedos for liking loli. but if a normalfag calls you a pedo for liking loli, what are you going to say to convince them otherwise?
<2022-01-16T02:10:23.000Z> Xeraser: send them my tanned cirno wallpaper and ask them to find me a kid that looks exactly like that? :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:10:34.000Z> Xeraser: i'm not interested in playing their game whatsoever, lolis are legal here
<2022-01-16T02:10:45.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: ye
<2022-01-16T02:11:11.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i guess my point was that it's impossible to refute because their definition of what is a pedo is different from ours
<2022-01-16T02:11:28.000Z> Xeraser: yeah but that doesn't mean you should play along with their game :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:11:30.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: like people will call you a nazi for being a little bit right-leaning
<2022-01-16T02:11:46.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: right, only way to win is not to play
<2022-01-16T02:12:22.000Z> Xeraser: if a fedi user calls me a pedo over loli i'll just spam them with lolis (eg Chance tried to do this)
<2022-01-16T02:12:27.000Z> Xeraser: if a normalfag does it
<2022-01-16T02:12:37.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: kek
<2022-01-16T02:12:38.000Z> Xeraser: 1: why did I let a normalfag know
<2022-01-16T02:13:05.000Z> Xeraser: 2: why haven't they reported me yet
<2022-01-16T02:13:12.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: because i'll reply to stuff on twitter and they go "WHOA THIS GUY HAS CARTOONS OF LITTLE GIRLS ON HIS TWITTER"
<2022-01-16T02:13:24.000Z> Xeraser: just reply with
<2022-01-16T02:13:39.000Z> Xeraser: "yeah, and you have children in your discord DMs"
<2022-01-16T02:13:56.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: or "ok then call the cops on me"
<2022-01-16T02:14:01.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: kek
<2022-01-16T02:14:07.000Z> Xeraser: or that
<2022-01-16T02:14:24.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: except i'm almost afraid they'll actually be crazy enough to do it :suffering: 
<2022-01-16T02:14:25.000Z> Xeraser: if a normie calls me a pedo i ain't playing that game
<2022-01-16T02:15:48.000Z> Xeraser: ah fuck shit 
<2022-01-16T02:15:55.000Z> Xeraser: hold on genshit dailies :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:16:10.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: alright well good talk, i'm glad we were able to have this convo
<2022-01-16T02:16:16.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: lol
<2022-01-16T02:16:29.000Z> Xeraser: yeah
<2022-01-16T02:17:15.000Z> Xeraser: but seriously idk how you should reply, just don't let them call you a pedo over and over and don't play their game :risitas1:
<2022-01-16T02:17:34.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: ye
<2022-01-16T02:27:00.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: i found shizu's post about the only people i see giving him shit for it is doggodnova being a little bitch and some other known pedos
<2022-01-16T02:27:19.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: *shizu's post about deleting it and the only people...
<2022-01-16T02:36:00.000Z> Xeraser: other known pedos?
<2022-01-16T02:36:10.000Z> Xeraser: is nova one of them
<2022-01-16T02:37:44.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: https://archive.is/rrgKb
<2022-01-16T02:37:56.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: mainly i just mean the guy from freak.society
<2022-01-16T02:38:08.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: *freak.university i mean
<2022-01-16T02:38:34.000Z> Xeraser: >loli.pizza
<2022-01-16T02:38:36.000Z> Xeraser: that name
<2022-01-16T02:38:36.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: his instance is on hellhammer's list of pedo instances to mute
<2022-01-16T02:38:41.000Z> Xeraser: doesn't inspire much confidence 
<2022-01-16T02:38:47.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah ikr
<2022-01-16T02:39:05.000Z> Xeraser: this is the only loli pizza i like
<2022-01-16T02:39:21.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: and dog god nova is literally griping at shizu for deleting art that was removed from gelbooru over suspicion of being referenced from CP
<2022-01-16T02:39:45.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: luckily everyone who matters is backing shizu c: (at least from what i can tell by looking at that thread)
<2022-01-16T02:40:24.000Z> Xeraser attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/6cda491aba58296842ef28751b75f75eb0c5365b99467c2d5512a1c5504e274d.png
<2022-01-16T02:40:35.000Z> Xeraser: the censorship thing is a valid concern
<2022-01-16T02:40:38.000Z> Xeraser: but in this case
<2022-01-16T02:40:42.000Z> Xeraser: yeeeeeeeeah no
<2022-01-16T02:41:12.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: yeah rlier really hit the nail on the head with most of his posts
<2022-01-16T02:41:22.000Z> gigawyrm@varishangout.net: this is clearly different than censorship
<2022-01-16T02:43:07.000Z> Xeraser: yeah he's the other friend i've been talking to
<2022-01-16T02:43:15.000Z> Xeraser: never seen nova act like that before