<2023-04-17T01:30:24.000Z> DW2: So question for you - what do you mean when you say there are "multiple dating ecosystems at play now" ? I'm assuming you're referring to alternatives to apps?
<2023-04-21T03:05:21.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: I forgor which post but even outside of the apps there's a lot going on. Tinder became a kind of sexual NASCAR, it's pure hookup now, and everything there is hyperspecialized and tuned for crappy sex w/ strangers. You do have other apps with their own stuff, too, but I kinda meant it more like
<2023-04-21T03:06:29.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: How you have an ecosystem where people are dating for a purpose. A lot of sadness arises when girls try to find a husband in the no-strings-attached sex pool - they snag a date with a 'cocksman' and end up surprised when he refuses to settle into a role as a monogamous trad hubby. 
<2023-04-21T13:01:14.000Z> DW2: Yeah I agree with that. What specifically are you referring to when you say there’s a lot going on outside the apps?
<2023-05-17T04:05:51.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: Women aren't even ON tinder in my circle anymore. It's more a novelty than anything. The girls in my family and friend circle don't source their men via online dating anymore, it's too hyperfocused on sex, and they're spooked by that level of aggression. So they've retreated, either content to not date (pretending they'll have a guy find them any day now....) or they find guys at work, school, or via friends. I remember when I first discovered that kind of phenom - I'd broken up w/ that cheater and got invited to a friend's bowling night. I showed up to find about 2 dozen people in their 20's, all just showing up for "fun" but secretly spouse-hunting. Everyone there admitted that they're hardly ever on the apps. They're too useless, too fruitless, too demanding of their time for so little yield. 
<2023-05-17T04:05:52.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: That's where I dated that one girl who bragged about her affair w/ a politician, actually. NOt the best, but she had some cool aspects. IIRC she ended up engaged to the next guy she dated, which she met through that same extended friend group. And I hardly knew any of those people. It was just a matter of people inviting more fresh blood to the mixer, everyone in the area for work or school. 
<2023-05-17T04:07:03.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: So despite the whole "meeting online is top", I don't buy it. I think they THINK that tinder relationships are the most likely, but that's because those people are constantly "dating" someone. They're rolling the dice more, and getting shitty, 2-3 week long "relationships" where they don't kiss each other and barely hang outside of their after-work bang sesh. 
<2023-05-17T04:08:26.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: Meanwhile, IRL, all the relationships I see in my circle come from organic meeting. Those ones LAST, too. Hell, my 22 yo cousin is on track to marry her HS crush, she saw him at college and started dating, talking about marriage. Her sister met a guy through her school, got married at 23 or so when she met in one of their generals. 
<2023-05-17T04:08:52.000Z> WashedOutGundamPilot: BUT, every region varies. We're in the whiter, more old school part of the country, so there's much less pressure to slut it up for the girls