<2022-12-12T03:38:26.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You mentioned that your family are "Desantis Republican" types, were they Obama supporters before, or were they always a Red family?
<2022-12-12T04:50:55.000Z> Elliptica: Oh, my family was always conservative for the most part. I guess the best way to describe them is "military conservatives", if that makes any sense.
<2022-12-12T04:53:24.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That makes sense, my family is liberal, so I wanted to know how much a difference there was
<2022-12-12T05:07:13.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: military conservative, sounds like your family is either in San Diego, Florida, or somewhere in the midwest
<2022-12-12T05:07:23.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Are you first generation?
<2022-12-12T05:12:32.000Z> Elliptica: A bit of a mix, actually. On my fathers side I'm second generation, and yeah he's from Florida. My mother's side is from Hawaii, and I'm not really sure about them off the top of my head.
<2022-12-12T05:14:46.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That makes sense, I'm first generations of refugees
<2022-12-12T05:15:03.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Hawaii and Florida have Military bases, that explains it
<2022-12-12T05:24:09.000Z> Elliptica: Yep. Honestly, given my families background, I don't feel that most of my current... I guess world view... is all the radical. Going back to that previous discussion, I guess that's what I find disturbing. It feels like they are becoming more liberal, and the morals they taught me, which led me to where I am today, they no longer have.Anyway, your situation is interesting, given that your parents were liberal. How did you arrive to where you are today?
<2022-12-12T05:44:22.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Embarrassingly, it was from Skeptic youtubers where I decided to look more into the Conservative movement
<2022-12-12T05:45:10.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: And a good friend in college introduced me to ethnonationalists ideals, the JQ, and White replacement
<2022-12-12T05:52:39.000Z> Elliptica: Ah, well that's not too embarrassing. My parents raised me to be skeptical of claims of racism in the US, and I had a generally egalitarian view of people. It was running into anti feminists videos, right before the skeptics turned it into a fad, that helped realize that there are obvious differences between groups of people.
<2022-12-12T05:54:21.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Yeah, that and stories of my parents interactions with other races were an eye opener
<2022-12-12T06:22:23.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: What is the general political opinions in Florida? Been seeing a lot of talk that it's going to flip blue.
<2022-12-12T06:22:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I want to get your opinion on it
<2022-12-12T06:54:01.000Z> Elliptica: I think Florida is hard to get a read on politically, mostly because it's a retirement state and so it gets a lot of people from all over the US. Lately it seems more red than usual, given the results of the mid terms. But a lot of that might be loyalty to DeSantis for how he handled Covid. In a few years it might go blue again.
<2022-12-12T07:21:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That makes sense
<2022-12-12T07:22:15.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Especially with the liberal flight to cheaper states
<2022-12-12T07:22:26.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Every state can flip blue easily
<2022-12-12T07:44:35.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: What did you mean that you were a niche micro celebrity?
<2022-12-12T08:05:40.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, and I've heard that companies in NYC are looking to relocate to Florida, so that'll only speed up the process.
<2022-12-12T08:05:46.000Z> Elliptica: Oh, that. Mostly a joke, but I use to be more way active with social media stuff. Had a twitter account with a 1000+ followers, and I was part of a YouTube debate channel/podcast back when IBS was relevent. Unfortunately the girl who own the channel nuked it after declaring that “politics is stupid” because no one will ever represent our views. Now she’s a somewhat popular Vtuber, which I find endlessly amusing.
<2022-12-12T08:11:43.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: A lot of tech jobs are moving over to remote work, I know a few people who are planning to move to cheaper states because of it.
<2022-12-12T08:12:13.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Time for you and your family to make it intolerable for these economic migrants
<2022-12-12T08:12:29.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Vtuber? I wonder if I know who she is
<2022-12-12T19:45:58.000Z> Elliptica: We’ll see how that plays out. I’ve heard stories of people in the tech industry moving off to Mexico City for that reason, but it seems like a mixed bag right now. Some companies love the idea, Others hate it. The idea of running off to Wyoming does sound nice, but that also feels like running away, which is what’s led to the current problems in America. But I feel like there’s not much I can do on my own, and there isn’t a group that’s taking large enough steps to actually fix anything.
<2022-12-12T19:46:44.000Z> Elliptica: If you follow Vtuber stuff you probably know her. Clips of her posted here every so often.
<2022-12-12T19:48:47.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Pippa?
<2022-12-12T19:50:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I understand how you feel, there are more Liberal minded people around me and it feels like a losing battle to even try and talk to these people. Don't give up hope, I was a "liberal" for most of my life too, as long as the people you are talking to are willing to listen there's always hope.
<2022-12-12T19:50:44.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I'm slowly convincing my brother and my parents of these ideas
<2022-12-12T19:53:11.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: There may not be any large groups now, but remember it took the Civil rights movement half a century to get to where we are now. Small strong communities is what we should strive for.
<2022-12-13T07:10:04.000Z> Elliptica: You got it. Actually she’s got two. Pippa’s her main, but there’s another that’s mostly dox bait for old followers, some edgy shit posting, and interacting with edgy people (she went onto randbot’s stream one time). She’s gradually letting that persona slowly die off though. Been doing this long running gag where nothing works out for her, she’s spent over a year now struggling to “update” her model, and has had two graphics cards that “mysteriously exploded” mid stream.
<2022-12-13T07:10:08.000Z> Elliptica: I’ve not had much success convincing people. I’ve even been struggling to convince even my conservative parents, but they keep falling for the pitfalls set up to keep conservatives in line (democrats are the real “x”).  On the other end, I was a graduate student till recently, and the last person I TA’d for was a very liberal (actual maoist) woman. I couldn’t even convince her that the medical industry might have a financial incentive to rush out products. She couldn’t comprehend it.
<2022-12-13T07:10:15.000Z> Elliptica: I had hope, like back in 2016, because the internet provided equal access to an audience, so it was possible to reach people with provocative and convincing arguments you would not hear anywhere else. But that's largely gone now, so I don’t know if I really have much faith anymore. Especially now that there seems to be ongoing COINTELPRO operations in rightwing spaces. All of the drama stuff is likely to keep former alt right personalities busy with infighting while they fade into irrelevancy.
<2022-12-13T07:10:20.000Z> Elliptica: Maybe with times things will improve. I don’t like to be a doomer. But I think people have been largely atomized now. They either get bored and do something else that seems more productive, or give up on their ideas altogether. It’s kind of like why going to church frequently is important. It’s to keep “the message” fresh in your mind. If you take that away, and bombard then with other messages, they’ll slowly replace their old values.
<2022-12-13T07:16:18.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It's not the life time conservatives you need to help, it's the youths that need to see. Things are getting better in a way, look at how much of "our" viewpoints are coming back into mainstream. Children are starting to see that the traditional values of the past are worth looking into and that the status quo needs to be questioned.
<2022-12-13T07:17:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Don't be a doomer, perhaps our efforts aren't significantly visible, but we are still here and we are strong in our convictions.
<2022-12-13T07:19:00.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Yes, keep the Lord's word at heart and continue to pass it on!
<2022-12-13T07:20:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You're right all the gayops are a distraction to cause infighting in our circles, that's why we need to be better gate keepers and strengthen ourselves against bad actors.
<2022-12-13T07:22:39.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Perhaps your approach is to abrasive, I've just tried to bring it up in small doses mixed with polite conversations. No need to info dump everything, it took me over a few years to gradually convince my family.
<2022-12-13T07:27:22.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, I’ve certainty seen a renewed interest in traditional cultures, especially among non-whites, though I still see white’s largely regard their own culture and history as "low status" unless they can make it more diverse. I've also seen it veer off into weird directions that don’t seem largely productive. But I'm in my mid 20's now, so I probably don't have a great idea for what's going on among younger kids these days.
<2022-12-13T07:27:24.000Z> Elliptica: Me? Abrasive? No way!But yeah, I probably am. I also tend to info dump, I like to make sure that I cover my argument as much as I can, but it makes it hard to digest.
<2022-12-13T07:28:04.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Yeah mid 20s gang too
<2022-12-13T07:29:06.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: One thing that needs to be said and done, is to encourage young White folks that they shouldn't be ashamed and that diversity is not their strength
<2022-12-13T07:29:42.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I always try to shut down any anti-White sentiment whenever it's around me
<2022-12-13T07:30:11.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Don't info dump, unless they are interested, found that out the hard way and got called a Nazi 
<2022-12-14T04:18:06.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Was your post grad in STEM?
<2022-12-14T05:00:58.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, it was in physics.
<2022-12-14T05:01:10.000Z> Elliptica: A wall that I reach with people is that they seem to follow my reasoning, but they don’t believe what I’m saying. If I provide an example, they assume that’s just an extreme case, not representative of a larger problem. Do you encounter that? How do you deal with it?
<2022-12-14T05:08:53.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: No, I've experienced that. What I would do is present smaller more digestible grievances that I have. For example, when I speak about the frailty on the demonstrative attributes of immigrants or mainly Blacks I use media to ease them in over time. 
<2022-12-14T05:09:03.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: The layman relates to media more than real life
<2022-12-14T05:11:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: On Blacks, I talk about the frailty and narcissistic of their people. I bring up the unnecessary and ridiculous inclusions or race swaps in existing media. If they agree, I start to bring up topics of over representation of violence and reparations.
<2022-12-14T05:12:08.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: This must be done constantly and overtime in conversation
<2022-12-14T05:12:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Gradually they will recognize that our races cannot intermingle
<2022-12-14T05:12:57.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That will open the doors for them to start noticing other patterns and forced propaganda into our lives
<2022-12-14T05:13:43.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: But a crucial, very crucial point is, don't take it personal and make jokes along the way. Comedy allows for these points to be easily accepted over time.
<2022-12-14T05:13:47.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Hope that helps.
<2022-12-14T05:14:09.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Are you doing research with your degree?
<2022-12-14T05:36:54.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, that all makes sense. Jives with my experience at least, I’ve just noticed that people seem more ridged lately.
<2022-12-14T05:37:15.000Z> Elliptica: I did research during my time in grad school, but I’m not currently. Job hunting atm.
<2022-12-14T05:38:14.000Z> Elliptica: It’s frustrating to slowly realize that most of the jobs are not really in the field you worked in.
<2022-12-14T05:43:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: No one likes to learn that they were lied to or were tricked
<2022-12-14T05:43:46.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Everyone believes that they can sniff out bullshit, it crashes their reality to know they fell for the biggest bullshit ever
<2022-12-14T05:44:26.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Physics is tricky, but I know they are sought after in predictive modeling in the finance sector
<2022-12-14T05:45:44.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Have a buddy who got his bachelor's in physics from MIT now works for wall street
<2022-12-14T05:57:01.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah. Imaging, bio, and solid state physics are booming right, but no one has an imaging physics department, and few have sub departments for the others. You end up getting steered into odd directions. Even in big fields like Astrophysics things change quickly. 20 years ago galaxy research was king, now it’s exoplanets. And even within that, statistical modeling is huge. Taking a sip whenever someone says “monte carlo” at an astro colloquium would be a dangerous drinking game.
<2022-12-14T05:57:19.000Z> Elliptica: It’s hard to know where you should be at. But yeah, I’ve noticed that the financial sector seems more interested in hiring over anyone else. Reminds me of a dumb joke I heard when I first started college. A failed mathematician becomes an engineer. A failed engineer becomes an accountant.
<2022-12-14T05:59:58.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: As a former engineer now in billing, that hits real close to home lol
<2022-12-14T06:05:21.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Good luck, hopefully you find what you're looking for
<2022-12-14T06:06:24.000Z> Elliptica: Thanks, I just hope I figured out what I'm looking for too.
<2022-12-14T06:08:10.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: My advice, I worked in a small product development firm and got to do and learn a lot that I never thought I would. If possible find small companies that let you wear many different hats and decide from there.
<2022-12-14T06:09:05.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Often times we have tunnel vision of what we think we want to do, but there's tons of opportunities out there that we will overlook.
<2022-12-14T06:10:04.000Z> Elliptica: I thought about that. Companies like 3M seemed interesting, since they have a large medical field presence, working with different technologies.Yeah, I am very guilty of succumbing to tunnel vision.
<2022-12-14T06:10:51.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I've also worked in med devices, a lot of regulations and standards to familiarize yourself with
<2022-12-14T15:30:51.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Look up ISO 13485
<2022-12-15T18:43:50.000Z> Elliptica: That's a pretty awful name for a regulatory standard. At first I thought you were talking about standard camera sensor gain (the same terminology, something like ISO 12800).But thanks for bringing it up. I've never heard of it before.
<2022-12-15T19:15:59.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: ISO is International Standards of Operations if I remember correctly, they have a whole tons of codes for specific operations 
<2022-12-15T19:16:58.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: 13485 is for med device development and manufacturing 
<2022-12-20T07:13:47.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: How's the job search going?
<2022-12-20T07:16:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I know a freelance ME in Florida, if you need ideas for companies to look into
<2022-12-20T07:32:31.000Z> Elliptica: Well I haven't heard back from anyone, but we'll see if I get any bites. I've decided to be more aggressive with the jobs I go after. I struggle with feelings of inadequacy (as stupid and whiny as that probably sounds), which has kept me away from applying to more things than I could have. Working to change that. Yeah, I would be interested in that actually.
<2022-12-20T07:41:56.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I get that, had that exact thought when I was applying for Engineering jobs when I first got out
<2022-12-20T07:42:56.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Don't worry, you'll find one in no time, you seem like you are really well read, especially with the history of physics.I'll talk to a physics buddy of mine and that ME for you
<2022-12-25T06:28:51.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Merry Christmas to you and your family
<2022-12-28T02:29:22.000Z> Elliptica: Thanks, same to you and yours. 
<2022-12-31T05:47:49.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: If you haven't yet, apply at Dexcom
<2022-12-31T05:49:24.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: They're one of the largest biomedical companies out there, and they specialize in insulin for diabetics 
<2022-12-31T16:19:26.000Z> Elliptica: Thanks, I'll check them out.
<2023-01-01T05:17:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Have a happy New Year!
<2023-01-01T05:33:20.000Z> Elliptica: Happy New Year to you too! Best of luck.
<2023-01-01T05:53:58.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: 2023 is going to be the year where you get your dream job
<2023-01-01T06:08:24.000Z> Elliptica: Actually, I had a question for you. I think you said you had a family member who worked at Tesla? Did he say what his opinion was of the place?
<2023-01-01T06:12:35.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: My friend who works there told me that the environment is stressful and toxic.
<2023-01-01T06:14:50.000Z> Elliptica: Ah, okay. I had this idea that they would, probably, be looking for people to research new battery technology, especially since Lithium Ion has reached peak energy density and it's still really low.
<2023-01-01T06:29:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It may depend on what department you are working for, but from all accounts, it's taxing
<2023-01-02T05:24:34.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You should still apply to Tesla anyways, better to have more options
<2023-01-03T07:02:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I'm curious, is your family Cantonese?
<2023-01-03T16:25:02.000Z> Elliptica: I'm Vietnamese on my father's side, which is what I identify with the strongest. My mom is some sort of Maui mutt, mostly Japanese I think, with possible mixture from other groups. I don't really know as much about that side of my family to be honest.
<2023-01-03T17:02:45.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Was your dad's side Vietnamese refugee?
<2023-01-03T17:03:00.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah.
<2023-01-03T17:03:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Both my parents are the same
<2023-01-03T17:12:27.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I believe there's a decent Vietnamese community in Miami, my great Grandma used to live there
<2023-01-03T17:16:02.000Z> Elliptica: Both Vietnamese?Yeah, I also got the impression that there was in most of the cities of Florida. My father and his family live on the other side of Florida (Tampa area).
<2023-01-03T17:17:42.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Both were in Vietnam, my dad is completely Chinese, but raised in Vietnam
<2023-01-03T17:29:48.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Are you fluent in Viet?
<2023-01-03T18:19:44.000Z> Elliptica: No. I know a few basic things, but not enough to speak it. My dad speaks it, but he was raised here in the US so he only used it at his parents home, and it never really passed on to me. I probably should work to learn it.
<2023-01-03T18:20:41.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It's not the prettiest Asian language out there, I only know enough to order food at a restaurant 
<2023-01-07T18:26:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Just started looking into chatgpt, it's implications are horrifying to me
<2023-01-07T18:28:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: An AI that can speak near indecipherable from a human and can write code, general AI is accelerating at an unprecedented level
<2023-01-07T18:29:26.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: And people keep feeding it info, the next 5 years is going to be difficult to determine what was human and what was machine
<2023-01-07T19:12:21.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: My bad for the morning doom post, how's your weekend so far, is your family preparing for lunar new years
<2023-01-08T20:21:44.000Z> Elliptica: No worries, I doom post all of the time.Not familiar with that AI. Honestly, I’m not sure about my feelings on AI in general. I’m not exactly afraid of AI in principle, but I am scared of what people will do to and with it. Considerable efforts are going into AI to intentionally make them stupid (prevent bias), and that scares me.
<2023-01-08T20:21:52.000Z> Elliptica: I remember watching Blade Runner a year or so ago, and thinking that the premise there was stupid because these giant mega corporations have these perfect and programmable “replicants”, yet they are the ones discriminated against in that world. In my head, it would’ve made more sense for the situation to be reverse, ordinary humans being discarded as obsolete and replace with slaves for whom it would be physically impossible to contemplate anything but working and consuming.
<2023-01-08T20:22:06.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah they are. We usually don’t go overboard with it, but I was going to stop by and visit them anyway.
<2023-01-08T21:28:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That makes sense, I always saw Blade Runner as a post AI world, where humanity realized that they've made a mistake in replacing themselves entirely.
<2023-01-08T21:29:39.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Is Lunar New Year big with Florida Asians, in California we have tons of big China Towns that throw big celebrations
<2023-01-08T22:18:58.000Z> Elliptica: That probably is the point the films, but they mixed it in with anti-slavery and revolutionary messages which somewhat confuses it. Maybe the story was supposed to be more complex, but I got the feeling that it was very one-sided with its message. I over think these things though.
<2023-01-08T22:19:35.000Z> Elliptica: Nowhere near as big as the ones in California or New York, but there are events in most big cities in Florida. I even saw a Lantern event in San Antonio, Texas, so I think most big cities in the US have an event somewhere. Though they are usually smaller and... artificial I guess? They feel more like "culture fairs", where they turn everything into trinkets to be consumed instead of actual events put on by the local people in the city. The same with Oktoberfests that you occasionally see.
<2023-01-08T22:37:46.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Commentary of AI has always teetered between total machine takeover or if machines can have souls, I don't fault the authors for not believing in total replacement. Only one I can think of is Appleseed and Ghost in the Shell, but I am not overfamiliar with either of them. 
<2023-01-08T22:44:34.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It would make sense that other states don't celebrate Lunar New Year as an official holiday, just another excuse to party.
<2023-01-08T23:56:56.000Z> Elliptica: 'just another excuse to party.'Kind of like when I noticed that holidays famous for chocolate and candy (Halloween, Christmas, Valentines, Easter) are all 2 months apart. Same with drinking holidays (New Years Eve, Saint Patrick's Day, memorial day 2023, 4th of July). Everything is commercialism.
<2023-01-09T00:52:15.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It is, but it's also a good reason for friends and family to get together. God knows that's needed more than ever.
<2023-01-09T17:52:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: What does NAFO stand for
<2023-01-09T17:54:05.000Z> Elliptica: North Atlantic Fellas Organization
<2023-01-09T17:56:37.000Z> Elliptica: It's explicitly a bunch of bots ran by various governments who post pictures of dogs. Somehow this is "an own." I think they sincerely believe their own propaganda about "le algorithm".
<2023-01-09T18:23:19.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: So it's an attempt to skew attention away from whatever they don't like to dog pictures?
<2023-01-09T18:23:22.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That's retarded
<2023-01-09T18:26:28.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, something like that. What they want is to spam "well actually" at a person, so that they waste time responding rather than saying anything.
<2023-01-09T18:28:55.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That makes sense in a way, kill the conversation with asinine responses
<2023-01-12T22:52:00.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Jeff Cliff is practically a troll account, don't need to engage wholeheartedly
<2023-01-12T22:55:45.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah I figured it out. Confused me at first because he seemed sincere.
<2023-01-12T22:56:31.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: He's really good at it
<2023-01-21T18:22:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Happy year of the Cat 😺
<2023-01-21T22:04:08.000Z> Elliptica: Thanks, same to you!
<2023-01-25T23:41:33.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: How's the job search going? Did Dexcom ever respond back?
<2023-01-31T20:44:17.000Z> Elliptica: Sorry I didn't get back to you. Actually only applied there recently. I've been feeling like crap the last few weeks.Kind of embarrassing, but I got a staph infection at the start of the year. At first I tried to ignore it, I was hoping it would go away on its own, and it seemed to at first. This was a mistake, as the infection spread and it got very serious and spread internally. Lesson learned, go to the doctor when you are sick. Hopefully I'm better now, but I'm still kind of worried.
<2023-01-31T20:45:08.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Don't apologize, your health comes first
<2023-01-31T20:45:20.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Have you taken any anti-biotics for the infection?
<2023-01-31T20:45:37.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, doxycycline.
<2023-01-31T20:45:57.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That's good
<2023-01-31T20:46:19.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Get well soon, try and get sunlight as well
<2023-01-31T20:52:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Whenever you're bored, Dan Hulson has a watchalong stream if you ever want to join
<2023-02-01T21:15:13.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: How are you feeling, better?
<2023-02-01T22:37:49.000Z> Elliptica: Yep, I'm feeling much better now. All of the problems I was having seem mostly gone now.
<2023-02-01T22:39:07.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Good to hear
<2023-02-01T22:40:53.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I hate being sick, had a month long flu where there was nothing but a persistent cough
<2023-02-01T22:45:20.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, I had something like that happen to me once. What worried me about this was I didn't know what was going on. I had the skin infection that, while painful, seemed to go away fairly quickly. Then suddenly I had a sore throat, a cough, my resting heart rate was way above normal, rashes and acne breakouts, joint pain. It all happened so quick too. Probably the sickest I've ever been, and I'm never really sick.
<2023-02-01T22:47:06.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Seems like a lot of people are getting sicker than they ever gotten in the past 3 years, I'm not really sure what to make of it to be honest.
<2023-02-02T00:35:39.000Z> Elliptica: Not really sure myself either. I don't really interact with a huge number of people to start with.
<2023-02-02T01:35:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Either a conspiracy or that isolation has degraded a lot of people's immune system
<2023-02-02T01:47:38.000Z> Elliptica: Maybe. I picked it up after visiting my family, so there's a chance I got it some time then.I have a friend that's an auditor for a big insurance company, in the life insurance department. I've asked her a few times about whether they've had to pay out more lately. She said 2021 was their worst year on record, but last year was pretty normal. We'll see how 2023 plays out.
<2023-02-02T02:13:20.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Could be that it burned through the population already 
<2023-02-02T20:03:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: If you're interested, Neuralink is actively hiring
<2023-02-09T07:44:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtu.be/z7X95bn2T6A
<2023-02-09T07:45:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Real world application for AI in commercial industry
<2023-02-09T16:38:15.000Z> Elliptica: I really wish I had studied machine learning.
<2023-02-09T16:38:26.000Z> Elliptica: It'll be the only job in a few years.
<2023-02-09T16:41:15.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: A lot of people are going to feel that way soon
<2023-02-09T16:41:56.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: There will be some industries that will have more difficulty with integration and automation, but it will happen
<2023-02-09T16:57:06.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: With your background it shouldn't be too difficult to pick up machine learning, according to a few physics friends of mine
<2023-02-10T22:23:14.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Would you want to learn machine learning?
<2023-02-10T22:23:52.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I'm either looking into familiarizing myself with an existing program or make one for a specific need
<2023-02-11T05:34:51.000Z> Elliptica: I'm not sure if I'd want to. MY programming skills are not where I’d like them to be, especially for something like that.Sort of off topic, but a while ago I took a stats class and I ended up looking into the author behind the book. I was able to find old course web pages for him back in the early 2000's talking about machine learning, so it's something I wish I had hear about earlier. Honestly, I regret not majoring in gender studies and becoming an HR manager (kidding of course). 
<2023-02-11T05:57:36.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Machine learning has existed for quite some time, several old engineers and programmers I've talked to told me it was called branch programming back in the 80s
<2023-02-11T05:58:55.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It's how the google search engine was created, add weights to each word and combination, that's autofill, add weights to articles and web domains from traffic, and that's how we get "better" searches
<2023-02-11T05:59:20.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: According to several people I've spoken too, it's not that difficult
<2023-02-11T15:59:56.000Z> Elliptica: What would you need to learn to be useful at it?
<2023-02-11T16:42:09.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Python machine learning library
<2023-02-11T16:42:45.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: There are tons of resources for machine learning using python
<2023-02-12T03:06:52.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: If you're interested, do you want me to send you some of it?
<2023-02-12T04:23:38.000Z> Elliptica: Maybe. I don't want you to waste your time though, organizing resources if I find I'm either not good at it or don't find it interesting. Is there something specific you'd recommend starting with?
<2023-02-12T04:32:09.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtu.be/M9Itm95JzL0
<2023-02-12T04:32:34.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: This channel has a very intuitive tutorial to start and follow along 
<2023-02-12T04:34:18.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It wouldn't be a waste of time necessarily, sometimes collaborating with another helps keep you on track and troubleshoot issues
<2023-02-12T17:17:50.000Z> Elliptica: Thanks, I'll give that video a watch tonight, thought I might be further behind than that since my python skills are somewhat lacking, I did most of my programing in college using the M programs (Matlab/Octave, Mathmatica, Maple).
<2023-02-13T01:20:15.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Anytime, hope you really enjoy it
<2023-02-13T01:20:58.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I started enjoying a bit of database work with python, need to really have a deepdive into machine learning for a project
<2023-02-17T17:52:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Enjoying machine learning?
<2023-02-17T23:28:27.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, I've gotten about half way through that video, and most of that did not seem too bad, though again my issue would be that why I understand it logically, there would be no way I could work as fast as him given that I really don't know much of any of the syntax for python. I would be stuck searching "how do I do x" nearly every step of the way.
<2023-02-17T23:29:35.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That was how I learned, no better way than diving head first into a project
<2023-02-17T23:29:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Fortunately Python is fairly intuitive with their syntax
<2023-02-17T23:31:13.000Z> Elliptica: True. I actually started working on something tangentially related. It's less machine learning and more applied statistics, still.
<2023-02-17T23:34:45.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Sounds interesting, maybe you can be a contract data analyst with your new found skills
<2023-02-17T23:38:54.000Z> Elliptica: Maybe. There might be a big misunderstanding on my part though, as I'm not sure what I want to do will work.
<2023-02-17T23:40:02.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Is there anything you particularly enjoy doing?
<2023-02-17T23:42:40.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: A friend of mine with his master's in physics became really familiar with data analytics and got a job in silicon valley for it
<2023-02-17T23:42:55.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Another did predictive modeling for wall street
<2023-02-17T23:45:24.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, that's something I looked into. A friend of mine tried to get me a job as an actuary, but it fell through.My biggest interest is in optics. I like telescopes and cameras. I've been looking for jobs in the optics industry, but that's just as competitive as everywhere else it seems.
<2023-02-17T23:47:43.000Z> Elliptica: But that's related to the thing I was just working on. I do astrophotography as a hobby (though I'm not very good at it yet). One of the big problems in it is that the things you try to take pictures of are faint. To make up for this, you can stack images, increasing the duration of the exposure while avoiding various problems (mainly noise and tracking issues).
<2023-02-17T23:50:05.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Have you looked into Digital System Processing job openings?
<2023-02-17T23:50:07.000Z> Elliptica: What I was wondering is if it's possible to "boot strap" exposures. Boot strapping is a resampling technique where you can simulate a larger population from a smaller data set. I've tried doing that manually, but I've not had much success so far. Maybe it takes way more resamples than I can do manually on my own. Not sure.
<2023-02-17T23:50:53.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Not overly familiar, but it reminds me of interpolation
<2023-02-17T23:51:02.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Am I on the right track?
<2023-02-18T00:01:46.000Z> Elliptica: Yeah, except here the data points are also unreliable. So interpolation but with bad data, and you are prevented from getting new data.
<2023-02-18T00:02:36.000Z> Elliptica: This goes over it pretty well.youtube.com/watch?v=uGsf3spCM3Y
<2023-02-18T00:04:43.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Oh, so that's what you look like
<2023-02-18T00:04:44.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: lol
<2023-02-18T00:05:30.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Okay that makes sense, can't interpolate or reconstruct a signal if all you have is an amorphous blur
<2023-02-18T21:10:09.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Just finished the video, still need a few more viewings to fully grasp the idea
<2023-02-18T21:11:08.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Bootstrapping typically requires 1000 resamples for rough estimations and 10,000 resamples for greater accuracy, how were you resampling your exposure manually?
<2023-02-19T07:15:18.000Z> Elliptica: Right, I didn’t do it enough times (around 50). I knew that would be a problem from experience, but I was hoping to see a change in image quality, good or bad, just to see if it was worth pushing forward. I didn't though, and it helped me discover that my understanding of this topic was totally faulty from the start.
<2023-02-19T07:15:21.000Z> Elliptica: I thought image stacking a way to integrate exposures to increase the total signal. So for example, if I took one photo of a candle in a dark room, then 100 photos at a 100th of the exposure setting and stacked them together, it would look about the same as the first photo.If I were to stack the same exposure over and over it would be no different than digital amplification. So it would amplify the noise along with the signal. But If I were to do a bootstrap-like process where I mixed images up into batches and then integrated those batches, I thought that each batch might simulate a new exposure, and so might be a better (but not perfect) way to amplify an image.
<2023-02-19T07:15:42.000Z> Elliptica: But this was totally wrong. Image stacking does not “integrate signals”, it reduces noise by comparing images to average out the signal from the noise (which is why there is more focus with taking an image for as long as possible over as many images as possible). Then you can then use software to amplify the signal in post, and push it further since there’s less noise to deal with.The point of diminishing returns on this is around 50 images. Now if each exposure is several minutes long, 50 images could be hours or even days worth of observations. Bootstrapping images might mean you could take fewer images yet get the same noise reduction, though I’ve also heard that a good population size for bootstrapping is also around 50 to 100 data points). But even if it’s a lot less how long and how much memory would you need to randomly bin 15 images that are several megabytes in size random over a thousand times, process each of the bins, and then process all of the bins together into the final image? As of right now it’s probably longer than it would be to just take the images.
<2023-02-22T19:01:14.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That's an enormous effort, explains why it costs so much for any astrological images. Is the accuracy of the images verifiably improved or just improved resolution?
<2023-02-22T19:01:39.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: If so, wouldn't training an image processing program accomplish what you want?
<2023-02-22T21:04:34.000Z> Elliptica: I'm not sure I understand your first question exactly, but maybe these images would help (posted to my time line since I can't dm them). Basically there's a S/N ratio with a camera. Stacking brings the numerator (noise) down which allows us to boost the signal in software without also amplifying as much noise as it would from a single picture.So it's not increasing the resolution of the image… though that might be debatable here too since image noise is also a limiting factor with how much you can enlarge an image by.
<2023-02-22T21:04:50.000Z> Elliptica: I’ve also been rethinking it, and I agree with you that some learning algorithm would do what I want. I guess I just have to be careful what it is I want exactly. What I want is a way to generate low noise images using fewer frames. I think that this might be doable again if I'm smart about it.
<2023-02-22T22:31:25.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: My original question was asking whether the original goal was to have a more accurate photo with higher resolution, or just a higher resolution photo, since image processing fills the gap and interpolates how it can, but not necessarily meaning the image is true to real life
<2023-02-22T22:59:30.000Z> Elliptica: Oh. Yeah, the image should remain true to life, or as true as possible. That’s the idea behind the current method of oversampling. The signal we get is weak, so we so over-sample to recover the signal that we do have. Too much editing of images is frowned upon since is might add or erase details.
<2023-02-23T02:00:11.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Makes sense, I'd imagine that would be the case
<2023-03-02T07:56:08.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtube.com/watch?v=1CIpzeNxIhU
<2023-03-02T07:56:22.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: This is a fascinating watch and breakdown on stable diffusion
<2023-03-02T17:22:03.000Z> Elliptica: Huh, so they basically give the computer random noise and ask it if it sees the input in the noise? That actually makes a lot of sense. One of the best methods for illustrating without a reference I know of is what I call the “random shape” method (some people call it the cloud method because it’s like seeing shapes in clouds). You drop a bunch of random shapes into a canvas, and then draw whatever you see in the shapes. It helps you draw more fluid and surprisingly more proportioned characters, especially in intense action scenes. Plus there are things like pareidolia where we see stuff in noise. It seems like a close imitation of how we already think.
<2023-03-02T17:42:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: From that training, the library will have word association for the correctly generated images. Chaining words and generating new images is now possible. Makes a lot of sense after that video.
<2023-03-02T17:43:11.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I wonder if you could download or buy that dataset and have an already trained system.
<2023-03-02T18:51:17.000Z> Elliptica: Maybe. I know Clip studio tried that and ended up cutting it because artists had a tard fit.
<2023-03-02T18:58:47.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It's stupid, I use clip studio and I wished it was more of an open platform
<2023-03-02T19:05:56.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: A revolutionary application is machine learning that completely generates a 3d model from a character sheet. Imagine how useful that would be for artists to quickly layout comic panels and the program renders the whole scene
<2023-03-02T19:07:52.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: The artist can create a rough sketch of their scene and label the figures with the corresponding model, then the program will populate the scene and render the 3d models back to 2d. There the artist can fix any issues, but that would reduce the workload a ton.
<2023-03-03T18:14:33.000Z> Elliptica: That's actually a really neat idea. How many "perspectives" do you think you need to make a full model? Would it be 6, like a cube? Seriously, I think that AI tools can be really good for art, and allow smaller teams and individuals the freedom to be really creative. 
<2023-03-03T18:23:57.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: 6 would be ideal
<2023-03-03T18:24:29.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It is an idea I wish I could develop, but at my current level and free time, I won't be able to do so
<2023-03-03T18:25:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I'll try to start it and scout for a dev team later
<2023-03-03T18:28:18.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtube.com/watch?v=EecUSmEScSg
<2023-03-03T18:28:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: There's already something similar
<2023-03-03T18:30:24.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtube.com/watch?v=gKD5wLA6ozU
<2023-03-03T18:30:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: And blender has a community that renders 3d to 2d
<2023-03-03T18:30:50.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: All could be feasible through blender
<2023-03-05T06:44:58.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: youtube.com/watch?v=vtScDvbzZ10
<2023-03-05T06:56:16.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Looking through some resources, there seems to be a wealthy amount of development in 2d to 3d, there's already stride in 3d modeling from character sheets.
<2023-03-05T06:56:29.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Trying to find if there is any open source code for it
<2023-03-05T06:57:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I'll probably get in contact with a developer buddy of mine to flesh this out
<2023-03-05T20:32:02.000Z> Elliptica: I also almost think this wouldn't be an AI problem, though AI would help.Something to look at is how rigging for Vtubers work. I don't think most of them are using 3d models, but images that are manipulated by a secondary model. Somehow this translates it into almost looking 3d, but not sure how exactly.
<2023-03-05T21:06:24.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That is where the original inspiration came from, they use a 2.5D model, a PNG with some depth during their streams, and a 3D model for other events.
<2023-03-05T21:06:42.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Biggest hurdle, is how do I go from a character sheet to full blown 3d model
<2023-03-06T06:20:38.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: What do you use for internet security?
<2023-03-06T06:20:48.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: I might be stupid, but I have Nord
<2023-03-06T06:28:02.000Z> Elliptica: Depends on what I am doing. For VPN I use Proton because it's free. Probably not the best or safest, but I don't have to give it my credit card so that's a different form of security. I also use the Tor browser sometimes, especially if I'm going to a shadier website I don't trust.The biggest thing though is good opsec. I don't give out too much information about myself, I always use different names and different password (which I keep in a few black books). I also generally don't do anything illegal or worth investigating, so I don't attract unwanted attention to myself.
<2023-03-06T06:31:04.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Fair, I think the paranoia bug hits me sometimes
<2023-03-06T06:31:11.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Thanks for the input
<2023-03-06T06:32:03.000Z> Elliptica: I'm paranoid too, so no worries.
<2023-03-06T06:44:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: With your personal connection with Pippa, does seeing what she is revving up her dedicated fanbase, just to douse them
<2023-03-06T07:01:55.000Z> Elliptica: Sorry, I'm not sure what you are asking exactly. It does not surprise me that she’d suddenly back peddle if that’s what you mean.I guess I’m use to this by now. She’s always gotten nervous about getting too much attention, and squandered a lot of opportunities simply because she was afraid. She seemed happier with being in someone else’s shadow, not the one casting it.Her manager is probably doing a good job know how to handle her and her persona.
<2023-03-06T07:10:18.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: That pretty much answers my question, I'm not overly familiar with her or her character. Mainly the memes from her and her fans.
<2023-03-06T07:10:59.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Sucks that she doesn't stick to her guns, but if that's who she is, can't help it.
<2023-03-06T07:12:29.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Best if she fully separated herself from it all and be happy 
<2023-03-06T07:35:31.000Z> Elliptica: Yep, I’m not too familiar with the pippa “persona” either if I’m being honest. There was a time, right after she scrubbed all of her older stuff, where she was juggling a few different characters and accounts, and then suddenly the pippa thing happened. I didn’t even know it was her at first. I didn’t really follower her activity much either, especially since she was working hard to keep it cleanish. It just didn’t really interest me, like most Vtuber stuff.I think the thing to take away with her is that she just wants to shitpost, and she doesn’t want to get into too much trouble. That’s basically it. So long as that’s met, she’s happy. She’s probably not wrong either. It does not matter if you are a literal Nazi or a well adjusted average liberal, you will probably never get a real say in anything unless something radically changes the current system. Scott Adams, Elon Musk, and Kanye pretty much proves that point.
<2023-03-06T07:48:39.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Bright side, seems like there has been a shift to the right in the average person's sensibilities
<2023-03-29T21:05:19.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: How's the job search going?
<2023-03-30T14:40:18.000Z> Elliptica: Nothing so far. I've hardly heard back from anyone, which is frustrating.
<2023-03-30T15:51:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: It's sadly a numbers game, apply to a hundred to hear back from 7
<2023-04-01T07:34:01.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Let me talk to a buddy of mine, he's a master's physics major who works at a med company
<2023-04-03T20:49:02.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Look into Medtronic, they have been sending me job opening emails, and looks like they are looking for remote positions if you want
<2023-04-03T20:54:42.000Z> Elliptica: I'll look into them, thanks.
<2023-04-19T21:46:04.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Have you considered doing freelance writing? A buddy of mine is doing freelance writing for an engineer blog.
<2023-04-19T21:46:37.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You have a wealth of knowledge, especially in astronomy, maybe that's an avenue to look into in the meantime 
<2023-05-09T00:32:23.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: From 2-3 weeks of writing, are there notable physics blogs that you can write for https://i.poastcdn.org/cabedb2f6365f4b993483114ed947d3984688d065e9b8e456e421d5e872a4e52.png
<2023-05-09T00:33:29.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: After this my friend, who's the main author, I'm just his editor, immediately had multiple people look into him on LinkedIn
<2023-05-09T01:36:10.000Z> Elliptica: I was actually looking into that after you suggested it, but I wasn't sure how to find blogs to write for.I guess I should have asked you, what does your friend do? Does he come up with stories on his own, then submit them to blogs?
<2023-05-09T01:54:14.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: He writes for an engineering blog, either intro to concepts or experience as an engineer.
<2023-05-09T01:54:35.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: We were given a topic list, over 300 topics to choose from
<2023-05-09T04:02:16.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You can look for community science, engineering, physics blogs
<2023-05-09T16:22:07.000Z> Elliptica: Are there any that you suggest. Look at most of them makes me cringe.
<2023-05-09T16:22:32.000Z> Elliptica: At least, for the physics side, I'm less aware of engineering blogs.
<2023-05-09T23:57:43.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Let me ask my friends if they know any
<2023-05-12T16:11:27.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Still asking, sorry for the wait
<2023-05-12T16:11:35.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Will try and get it to you this weekend
<2023-05-12T16:11:44.000Z> Elliptica: No worries!
<2023-05-12T16:19:41.000Z> Elliptica: Actually, I should probably refine my question, maybe you'd be able to explain it better. Using the astronomy blog/magazine Sky & Telescope for an example, they publish their criteria for writing articles. Topic is already set, it's astronomy related.What I don't know is what to write about. There is a lot of breathed in that one topic. I could cover research papers, but every paper that gets published is worth a review and it's hard to tell right away what is and isn't an "important" paper. I could look to see what other blogs and scientists are reporting as "important", but that verges on the edge of plagiarism in my mind (and maybe it shouldn't).
<2023-05-12T16:21:13.000Z> Elliptica: I guess I shouldn't give "journalists" as much crap as I use to, lol.
<2023-05-13T03:16:25.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Going by the topics, there's no way they only ask you to write about astronomy as vague as that is
<2023-05-13T03:19:28.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: They would have topics regarding either: 1. Intro to astronomy, 2. Astronomy core concepts, 3. Technology, 4. Research, 5. Opinions
<2023-05-13T03:19:53.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: You can approach each topic differently 
<2023-05-13T03:20:02.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: Hopefully that helps
<2023-05-13T04:26:48.000Z> Twoinchdestroya: If you have the topic on hand, we can go over the blog together 