<2022-03-17T01:10:37.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: As for getting smarter: Really the main thing to take away from philosophy is logic and how you make a formal argument. So logic is good to study because, if you have that, then you can look at a situation and put the pieces together and make a coherent conclusion.
<2022-03-17T01:11:51.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: When guys talk about how we on the Right have "predictive and explanatory power", that's where that comes from: Our foundational ideas are solid and we can properly apply logic to situations using those ideas
<2022-03-17T01:13:44.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: So I would tell you to look into formal logic and do some basic reading of things like Plato's dialogues. The big thing is not to be concerned with what there arguments are, but how they make them. Plato tends to go step by step with them and it works very well if you want to understand what an argument actually is and how to make one
<2022-03-17T01:14:09.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: It's less important that you understand "what" he's arguin than "how"
<2022-03-17T02:53:18.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: But isn't that more about rhetoric rather than whether it is true or not? Not trying to be hostile, just honest.
<2022-03-17T03:12:17.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Rhetoric can be used to sway people, but it's a tool like any other. How you construct an argument is how you become able to discern truth from falsehood
<2022-03-17T03:56:12.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: If you can't understand how a person is making their arguments, then you can't see important things like fallacious reasoning or bad conclusions because you have no basis
<2022-03-17T03:56:48.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Being able to spot how people make bad arguments, and making good ones yourself, is how you make things make sense for you and the people you're talking to
<2022-03-17T03:57:59.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: And always keep in mind: No argument can beat someone acting in Bad Faith. You aren't learning all this because you wanna own the libs epic style in a debate or w/e. You're learning this because, ultimately, you want to be able to explain what you know to people who will listen. YOur friends, family, etc.
<2022-03-17T04:09:27.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: And Lord knows I have been trying to make my worldview make sense to my anti-racist family, lol.
<2022-03-17T04:10:29.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: SO you need logic to do that. People have given up that point because they look at the enemy and go "they always lie so it doesn't matter just be right"
<2022-03-17T04:10:41.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: And, well, that makes it really easy to start believing really stupid things
<2022-03-17T06:17:13.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: Alright, then, what are some good, easy to understand beginner's books? I know you said Plato, but are there others?
<2022-03-17T10:40:00.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: That's not something I know very well, honestly. Logic was something I picked up along the way. I'm not sure where it'd be best for you to start.Something titled "Introduction to Formal Logic" or the like would probably be the right place. 
<2022-03-17T11:05:46.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: Alright, thanks, man. For real. God bless.
<2022-03-17T11:29:19.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: If you want a reference for some vids, idk if any of Molyneaux's stuff is still floating about but I'm sure he did vids about it
<2022-03-17T11:30:57.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Regardless of his particular politics proper argumentation was always his true wheelhouse
<2022-08-04T06:48:49.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/08/03/science/pigs-organs-death.amp.html
<2022-08-04T06:49:12.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: So, my biggest fear is that they do this to a human and he says he saw nothing
<2022-08-04T06:50:19.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: It is gonna take a long time for them to convince anybody that they can do this to a human without them suffering horrendous side effects and brain damage
<2022-08-04T06:50:32.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: YOur concern is warranted in that that's exactly what they would be trying to do
<2022-08-04T06:51:30.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: But I don't think that they would be able to convince anyone that they could do this to a human and not cause massive brain damage. Brains are very touchy, and the more advanced they get the touchier they become
<2022-08-04T06:54:33.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Yeah, looking at the article via the Wayback what I'm seeing is that what they were able to achieve is purely organ stability. They were deliberately attempting to prevent any reactivation of their brains.
<2022-08-04T06:56:54.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Certainly concerning in terms of broader implications, but they would be years from any attempt to actively revive an organism with this, and they would need to get past any possibility of severe brain damage caused by the shutting down of the body's respiratory and circulatory systems. Additionally, they would have to deliberately murder a man in order to make it work
<2022-08-04T06:58:13.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Cause they couldn't just use anyone to test it on if their purpose was to send someone beyond the veil and to report back, they'd have to send someone reliable and trustworthy, such as one of the research staff.
<2022-08-04T06:59:05.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Funnily, that part of the experiment has become harder as Progress has advanced. Back in the day crazed/zealous scientists would try stuff out on themselves all the time
<2022-08-04T07:04:23.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: So, in other words, you're telling me to chill out, they're overselling what they have, if they even have anything of great significance in the first place.
<2022-08-04T07:05:31.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Well, the words of the scientists themselves are that this is meant to help prolong life of organs for transplantation, not some macabre attempt at bringing people back from death
<2022-08-04T07:05:40.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: That latter pat is really a creation of the journalist
<2022-08-04T07:06:40.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: So yes, I think this is unsettling but not really worth worrying about. People get so anxious and aggravated about things nowadays that tI think they rely on it
<2022-08-04T07:08:12.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: Better to focus on being truly content than finding things to be anxious about. Work on your comic. Even if you aren't sure where the money-side of it is going, to have a project completed rather than stillborn is a great source of healthy pride and satisfaction.
<2022-08-04T07:20:26.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: Thanks, man, really. I know I am a sperg and such, but you really are a good guy and you have no idea how comforting those words are to hear (at the risk of sounding melodramatic). I really appreciate it.
<2022-08-04T07:25:39.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: I spend all my time on the airwaves telling dudes to make things that matter to them. So far, I've met lots of tradies that do cool projects, a half dozen writers, a few audio mixers, and Mike Enoch's gf who wrote that weird book. Thankfully, nobody has tried to send me their gay furry art portfolio, so I have been blessed.
<2022-08-04T07:29:26.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: First off, you ought to knock on wood real quick after that last part, lol. Secondly, I didn't know Moike's GF wrote a book. Where can I find it?
<2022-08-04T07:41:58.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: No clue. Book was called "Abe & Oona"
<2022-08-04T07:42:33.000Z> WalrusAurelius@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz: She asked me to read an early draft and sent me a free copy once she published it. 
<2022-08-04T07:53:38.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: What was it about and was it any good? I can find it fairly easily online, even Barnes & Noble has it, tho, it's authored under different name (obviously).
<2022-09-16T16:43:55.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: First draft of the script is done. It will need some fixing in some parts, but it more or less is done. Are you still interested in reading it and giving me criticism?
<2022-09-16T18:21:27.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: docs.google.com/document/d/166tMm0g6ymPJqs30VBTImBdp3z2nnVQxrzbxw7R7Ht8/edit?usp=drivesdk
<2022-09-16T18:22:30.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: This is just the first draft.
<2022-09-17T03:56:33.000Z> The_Vile_Delinquent: Thoughts?