<2022-05-30T10:47:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, my timezone is AEST and church is usually 0900-1100. 
<2022-06-03T17:35:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oof, that's 14 hours behind me now that I think of it
<2022-06-03T17:35:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: What's a good time you'd be able to sit down and watch/listen to a stream?
<2022-06-03T22:04:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Isn't it 14hrs ahead? I think the really convenient times for me end up being in the middle of the night for you. Rand's timeslot since it starts in the Australian morning but I can't remember how late that is in Seppo hours.
<2022-06-03T22:05:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: To be honest I'm happy to just make time to watch/listen. So long as it's not during Church I should be able to make time since I'm working from home these days.
<2022-06-04T02:59:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: Aye. I'll do my best to come up with a good time
<2022-06-04T03:00:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: thanks mate
<2022-06-06T12:17:49.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Did something happen to the congregation you were pastoring over? Sorry to hear that if so.
<2022-06-06T12:33:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yep. But when I was doxxed, the deacons that were supposed to help me out stabbed me in the back, and the boomers in the church went nuts.
<2022-06-06T12:33:42.000Z> SuperLutheran: That was four months ago, and I had to skip town and leave really quick
<2022-06-06T12:34:21.000Z> SuperLutheran: We moved about three months ago, and spent that time getting things ready for the current ministry project.
<2022-06-06T12:35:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Fuck mate, I know we expect these things to happen to us but God I wish they wouldn't.
<2022-06-06T12:36:42.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's all part of the theology of the Cross fam
<2022-06-06T12:37:36.000Z> SuperLutheran attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/591b1e3467c321038ddb7fa3587b473ca7df121b27b24609bab94834604ee861.jpg
<2022-06-06T12:37:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I bet it was just "he's a nazi!" And no actual looking into the work you've done and the fruits of it. They'll accept pastors that are adulterers, gamblers or drunks but guys like us? 
<2022-06-06T12:38:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh I presented evidence for the 1000+ conversions God won through us
<2022-06-06T12:38:48.000Z> SuperLutheran: But they refused to admit it on the grounds that I "might have been lying"
<2022-06-06T12:39:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: Honestly I believe God permitted this to get me to focus 100% of my ministry efforts on /ourguys/
<2022-06-06T12:39:41.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You're right and in a way I think there's comfort in the suffering. Being treated the same as the people who tried to save ancient Israel means we're doing what the Lord wants
<2022-06-06T12:40:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: At least I haven't been thrown in a poop cistern like Jeremiah lol
<2022-06-06T12:40:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yet
<2022-06-06T12:40:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: X3
<2022-06-06T12:42:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I just hope I get to do my study before my luck runs out as well. 
<2022-06-06T12:42:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: I imagine you'll be in better shape than me at the end of it
<2022-06-06T12:43:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Well I'll have you to lean on, it's also just me and my dog so the Lord can send me wherever at the drop of a hat.
<2022-06-06T12:50:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Going to get some sleep now, looking forward to hearing more about catacomb synod and I'll keep you and your family in my prayers. God be with you Brother, have a good one 
<2022-06-06T13:06:59.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'll be here for you if it happens
<2022-06-13T05:38:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, a bit out of the blue but do you think there's any issue in using Mormon artwork? I'm trying to put together a database of images to use for edits and a lot of them turn out to be Mormon.
<2022-06-13T11:17:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: I mean, so long as you're not tempted and so long as you're not using images of their gods having orgies on kolob or whatever I'm sure it's fine.
<2022-06-13T11:19:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I thought it would be, it's really only their images of Christ. The rest are either outright heresy or just plain weird.
<2022-06-13T11:22:03.000Z> SuperLutheran: The jehovah's witnesses have good artwork as well
<2022-06-13T11:22:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: Crazy usually produces good art lol
<2022-06-13T11:23:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I said pretty much the same thing to my Pastor yesterday when he was telling me about Bethel Church. The devil has a real pool of talent to pull from.
<2022-06-13T11:29:48.000Z> SuperLutheran: I hear you. That said, I find old Church art to be superior still. My wife told me she's getting me a super old medieval guide to drawing/painting, so maybe I'll be able to pitch in a bit. 
<2022-06-13T11:30:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: Down the road, that is
<2022-06-13T11:31:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Some old Church art yeah, I'm not a fan of the Orthodox stuff or some of the more abstract medieval stuff.
<2022-06-13T11:34:05.000Z> SuperLutheran: I dig this tho https://i.poastcdn.org/ab7498f1d2e53d7a1b57d974bda051f7f4d5c170d99ff09d447d7b6baf76a7d9.JPG
<2022-06-13T11:38:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I prefer this https://i.poastcdn.org/e0da48912ef31b09c90a6f9092be2dd515796de1152dda66fbd981774e62b0f7.jpg
<2022-06-17T10:34:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: Rosebrough is a mess
<2022-06-17T10:34:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: He's part of the AALC,  
<2022-06-17T10:35:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: But he also has been known to hang out with Nadia Bolz Weber, the elca pastrix that made a literal golden idol of a vagina and told people to watch porn.
<2022-06-17T10:36:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: He believes King David raped bathsheba (Myles and I responded to this in an episode of the Godcast),
<2022-06-17T10:37:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: And threw an absolute fit when aalc leadership forbade online Communion. This dude literally believes he can consecrate the elements over Zoom or something so that Marge can get the Body and Blood from her chardonnay and hot dog bun at home.
<2022-06-17T10:38:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: When I got doxxed, he went on a mini tirade on how it was totally unconscionable for Lutherans to listen to me or whatever,
<2022-06-17T10:38:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Well when you put it like that
<2022-06-17T10:38:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: while he also pals around with seriously heterodox people.
<2022-06-17T10:38:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: This is a guy who has a hate boner for pentecostals, but otherwise appears to be a lukewarm pastor and modernist...at best.
<2022-06-17T10:39:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Guess I'll stay away and see how I can go about warning my Pastor to do the same
<2022-06-17T10:40:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: I try to put it in the best construction by telling people that he runs a "discernment ministry," which ends up being a negative worldview.
<2022-06-17T10:41:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: Discernment ministries are like bank tellers that focus so much on counterfeits that they don't end up looking at the real deal currency put there.
<2022-06-17T10:41:26.000Z> Crux_Invictus: so missing the forest for the trees kind of thing?
<2022-06-17T10:42:07.000Z> SuperLutheran: One of rosebrough's friends, the dude at pulpit and pen, is a Reformed guy who almost celebrated EO believers being slaughtered by ISIS...because he said they weren't Christians.
<2022-06-17T10:42:44.000Z> SuperLutheran: Discernment ministries don't just miss the forest for the trees. They run the risk of going nuts and running at trees blindfolded weilding a chainsaw.
<2022-06-17T10:44:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Today has really been a "wow I never read Deuteronomy quite like this" kind of day
<2022-06-17T10:48:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: How so?
<2022-06-17T10:50:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I was reading through the curses earlier in the day, seeing those and what some of the guys have been poasting in terms of news today put it in perspective. Then I had a long lunch with my Pastor and we got talking about female ordination and his brief brush with a new apostolic movement run out of a toronto church (from memory). It just all seemed to fall into place in a much sharper way than when I first read it.
<2022-06-17T11:13:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: I hear you. The White man is definitely paying for the apostasies that started with the "enlightenment." It's just that everything waited until this generation for the time to pay the piper.
<2022-06-17T11:18:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I wonder if the Sun's rising on Asia now that it's setting on the West. It does make me wonder if the Gentile branch includes Asia or if they're another to be grafted in should we be cut off.
<2022-06-17T11:45:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: I mean, gentile just means non-jew in terms of Romans 9-11, so Asian Christians have always been a part of the grafting.
<2022-06-17T11:46:03.000Z> SuperLutheran: That said, I'm not convinced we won't have some sort of cultural restoration soon.
<2022-06-17T11:46:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: People are getting reeeeaaaaalll tired of the culture around them
<2022-06-17T11:55:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I hope so, I hope it's founded on Christ so we do more than just kick the can down the road a few more generations
<2022-06-30T10:37:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey Mate, didn't see your poast about Deacons and Lay Leaders until now. I don't think I've got the qualifications for those roles just yet but I'd like to be involved in some capacity. Once I've got some of my planned study under my belt I'll have more to offer but happy to revisit that as a future thing.
<2022-06-30T18:19:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: Glad to hear it
<2022-06-30T18:21:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm trying to not rush things, because if we don't take our time and do things right we're gonna pay for it dearly down the road
<2022-06-30T22:04:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've recently accepted the job of restarting our youth ministry and my approach is similar. Just get the ball rolling and let it grow organically from there. Going to start simple and see what people want further down the road.
<2022-07-01T01:49:02.000Z> SuperLutheran: Based 
<2022-07-10T03:26:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Mate, any thoughts on 1517.org/ ?
<2022-07-10T10:56:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: VERY sus.
<2022-07-10T10:57:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: They feature articles from Steven Paulson who is an ELCA theologian, 
<2022-07-10T10:57:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: And they love Gerhard forde. Who is, like, the arch subversive of theologians.
<2022-07-10T10:58:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: They're big into more or less denying the 3rd use of the Law, making them antinomians at best
<2022-07-10T11:10:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I liked the sound of them because of some of their article titles, darn shame
<2022-07-10T15:36:07.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sorry fam, I wish I  could say something better like "they're a mixed bag"
<2022-07-19T09:50:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey Super, what's your view on lay people teaching at church? Not teaching in terms of a Sermon during service, but teaching in terms of talking Bible/theology in a small group setting? I ask since I'm in charge of the small gathering we have fortnightly on Sunday evenings now and while they're usually pretty relaxed I want to take the opportunity to talk Bible and pass on things I've learned. I'm just cautious of not overstepping as I'm a lay person and not an ordained minister.
<2022-07-19T10:18:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thankfully, teaching is a gift from the Holy Spirit and does not automatically require massive qualifications. 
<2022-07-19T10:18:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: If your congregation approves of you teaching and you are studious enough, there's nothing wrong with it at all
<2022-07-19T10:20:49.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm also going through the process of getting on a Lay Preacher course the LCA runs so that should cover most of the bases once it's done
<2022-07-19T10:21:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: But it's good to know I'm not automatically headed for disaster. I'll just see what the evening congregation wants and do my best to provide it
<2022-07-19T10:23:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I want to talk about Ecclesiastes but I don't think it's a good move for a "new beginning" type of session since it's the first one since the old team handed over to me
<2022-07-19T10:27:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well also there'd be the temptation to use the summary you put up here on poast lol
<2022-07-19T10:28:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: "So in this verse, we find out what big gorilla retard niggers we are."
<2022-07-19T10:29:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Wouldn't that be a rush? The danger of will I mistakenly say nigger in front of the congregation or will I manage to tame the demon
<2022-07-19T10:30:09.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "I don't know about you folks, but I'm God's most retarded gorilla nigger and that's ok!"
<2022-07-19T10:33:36.000Z> SuperLutheran: I used to have nightmares about doing a hard R from the pulpit.
<2022-07-19T10:35:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I have to catch myself in bible study or ministry staff meetings when they talk about ukraine, covid or anything that gets a bit too close to "the tv said"
<2022-07-19T10:37:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: Church shouldn't have to be a place where the truth is hidden, Lord have mercy
<2022-07-19T10:39:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It really shouldn't be a place to hide anything or even speak timidly. Then again maybe I lack the courage to speak out plainly when I should.
<2022-07-19T10:58:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I might pick your brain a bit before I go to bed if that's alright? Trying to think of Scripture verses that can be used to talk about continuing what others have started or maybe inheriting is a better way to put it. I was thinking about "new beginnings" but I don't want to disrespect what came before. So "continuing on" is a better way to put it. I've got Philippians 3:14-15 in mind and I think there's something in Hebrews that will go with it but I want to include some Old Testament.
<2022-07-19T11:42:49.000Z> SuperLutheran: Happy to help fam
<2022-07-19T11:44:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: Philippians 1:6 comes to mind
<2022-07-19T11:45:07.000Z> SuperLutheran: Also 1 Corinthians 1:6-8 might be a parallel to y'all's situation 
<2022-07-19T11:51:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I might finish the Bible section with 1 Corinthians 1:4-9. Seems like a good way to end by giving thanks for the opportunity to exercise the gifts the Lord has given
<2022-07-19T11:52:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What Bible site do you use? I've been using Biblehub
<2022-07-19T11:53:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: Usually Biblehub for quick interlinear work lol
<2022-07-19T11:53:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's a lazy pastor trick but it works
<2022-07-19T11:54:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It's a bit tricky to use though from what I've found. It has everything but God help me when I try to find how to get at it
<2022-07-19T11:54:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "I found it last time, what the heck did I click on?!"
<2022-07-19T12:24:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm going to head to bed now, thanks for your help. I think I'm just missing one last piece that covers what I'm trying to achieve or the state I'm working towards. Going to try and find something in the Old Testament that talks about the coming Christ and see what fits.
<2022-07-19T13:18:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: Happy to be of service fam
<2022-07-24T09:15:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks for your help Super, just got back from leading my first Night Church session and it was well received. A bit shaky and thrown together but as I go forward and get topics to work with it'll improve.
<2022-07-24T10:10:16.000Z> SuperLutheran: Glad everything worked out!
<2022-07-24T10:12:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks, we're probably going to look at Esther as our first topic since it's all that's been suggested so far. So I'm probably going to end up listening to your talk on it a few dozen times in the next 2 weeks.
<2022-07-24T10:15:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lmaooo
<2022-07-24T10:16:12.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd make sure to dot your i's and cross your t's and be prepared for a lot of questions. Most people haven't heard Esther taken at a negative before 
<2022-07-24T10:18:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I expect a lot of the women in the audience will look at it and say something along the lines "wow Esther, you go girl!". I've already worded up my Pastor that I'll need him to check my work beforehand
<2022-07-24T10:19:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Of all books in the Bible it has to be Esther
<2022-07-24T10:19:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What's an anti-semite to do when confronted with an audience of normies
<2022-07-24T10:21:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: Speak the truth in love
<2022-07-24T10:22:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Wise as serpents and innocent as doves
<2022-07-24T10:22:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yep.
<2022-07-24T10:23:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: So if you tell them where the children of Judah went wrong, but you stay polite and avoid saying "this was the birthplace of kikery," it should go over well
<2022-07-24T10:24:03.000Z> Crux_Invictus: >Pastor why does the Night Church leader pronounce "jews" like that?
<2022-07-24T10:24:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ol
<2022-07-24T10:24:49.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol
<2022-07-24T10:25:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think the bigger hurdle will be getting through the "girl power" wall to be honest
<2022-07-27T11:39:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey Super, I'm trying to work out how to structure my future Esther based services and determine how much of Esther we should tackle during each. I was initially going to do it in two goes and compare the two halves but in retrospect it'll turn Service into a Bible Study rather than worship. In your experience what's a good length for Bible readings? I guess it depends on the specific book and it's depth but I think there's a point where people will just switch off.
<2022-07-27T11:59:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd say the best thing to do is break down the book into it's general structure, then tackle each section with one study.
<2022-07-27T12:00:47.000Z> SuperLutheran: You could, for instance, spend a session reading and studying the king's feast and Vashti's misbehavior.
<2022-07-27T12:02:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: To keep people from switching off, you could bring in the historical aspect which makes it pretty darned interesting. The king was likely getting all these people together to plan a new war with Greece, and that required showing that the kingdom was glorious and worth fighting for: he wanted to show off Vashti, however, to make the point that he was still in charge. 
<2022-07-27T12:02:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: that might work, it'll also help me cut down on the historical context I've been building for it
<2022-07-27T12:03:03.000Z> SuperLutheran: "Fight for me, and all this kingdom we can share together - but remember, I'm the king and there I have the ONE thing you can't touch: the queen."
<2022-07-27T12:03:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I understood it more as a way of him saving face and proving his authority after taking a hit to prestige with the failure of the second persian invasion
<2022-07-27T12:04:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd have to take a second look, it could have been before the 2nd or 3rd
<2022-07-27T12:04:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think it was after the second, I'm not aware of a third invasion.
<2022-07-27T12:04:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: But that said, history (as well as pictures) help keep people's interest
<2022-07-27T12:06:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: it really does open things up when you can place a book in a certain time period and examine what else was going on
<2022-07-27T12:06:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think we tend to read the Bible as if the events happen in a vacuum and struggle to understand that the events within are happening at the same time as the rest of history
<2022-07-27T12:07:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It will be kind of funny when I welcome people to a series on Esther and start with "so there the Spartans were at the Hot Gates"
<2022-07-27T12:19:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: "Here's your homework: watch 300"
<2022-07-27T12:19:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think we have the right license to include clips from it if I wanted to
<2022-07-27T12:20:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I do want to but I shouldn't
<2022-07-29T08:47:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You were right the second Persian invasion of Greece happens after Esther 1. Timelines are hard.
<2022-07-29T09:57:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol yes they are 
<2022-08-02T08:29:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have you got any tips/tricks for choosing music for a service? Trying to work out what music to have for the first Esther service this Sunday. The congregation mostly likes contemporary music but a few would like to hear some hymns from one of the Lutheran hymnals (I don't remember which one).
<2022-08-02T10:33:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: I typically let the music director pick, BUT
<2022-08-02T10:34:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: There is merit to sticking with songs that a) fit the church calendar, and b) fit the theme of the message you're conveying
<2022-08-02T10:34:51.000Z> SuperLutheran: We're in After Pentecost right now, so it's easier to pick them out
<2022-08-02T10:35:43.000Z> SuperLutheran: As for thematic songs, an example would be picking hymns of gratitude, because that's what the jews SHOULD HAVE sung after God delivered them from Haman
<2022-08-02T10:36:05.000Z> SuperLutheran: Or picking hymns that reflect God's care for His people
<2022-08-02T10:37:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I do have someone like the music director but they've got a lot on their plate at the moment so I'm getting some songs ready in case they can't. Since we're building the service around Esther the church calendar wasn't much help this time.
<2022-08-02T10:38:13.000Z> SuperLutheran: Aye
<2022-08-02T10:38:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've picked "O God Our Help in Ages Past" and "God Moves in a Mysterious Way" so far
<2022-08-02T10:38:30.000Z> SuperLutheran: You're on the right track there
<2022-08-02T10:38:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Aiming for 4 songs in total and I think I'll pick some more contemporary songs for the other two
<2022-08-02T10:39:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: Make them hate contemporary: have them sing "Oceans" twice
<2022-08-02T10:41:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I know so little about contemporary that I don't even get the joke
<2022-08-02T10:41:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfpEefKiG2I
<2022-08-02T10:42:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's Hillsong's 8 minute slog
<2022-08-02T10:42:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Oh no
<2022-08-02T10:42:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: hipsters with guitars
<2022-08-02T10:42:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: They'll beg for the hymnal after
<2022-08-02T10:43:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think there are a few people split between the morning and evening service that want the hymnal. So I'm trying to balance it out between hymnal and acceptable contemporary
<2022-08-02T10:44:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I might see if I can find a song that can be like the theme song for "Night Church"
<2022-08-02T10:44:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That isn't sung by Hard Look, as much as I want to play his stuff
<2022-08-02T10:45:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: WELCOME TO CHURCH WE'RE GONNA BREAL OUT THE LUTHERAN ATLAS STONES AND LISTEN TO HARD LOOK.
<2022-08-02T10:46:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If I ever manage to have some kind of Christian strongman group at the gym that will be our soundtrack
<2022-08-02T11:58:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Is there a closing blessing that a lay person can use to close a service?
<2022-08-02T12:20:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: 2 Corinthians 13:14
<2022-08-02T12:20:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
<2022-08-02T12:20:17.000Z> SuperLutheran: Amen
<2022-08-02T12:20:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's the typical lay benediction, and the lay minister also usually says "with us all" instead of "with you all."
<2022-08-02T12:23:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: thanks, I got caught out when I ran last Sunday's morning service and didn't have anything prepared for the dismissal or closing blessing. Felt a bit awkward trying to stay in my lane as a lay person
<2022-08-02T13:14:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: I hear you. Sucks when that happens
<2022-08-02T13:17:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm heading off to bed now, thanks for your help again. Have a good one.
<2022-08-02T13:52:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: Night dude! God bless!
<2022-08-07T10:23:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: thanks for help Super, tonight's service went pretty well I think. It was a bit rough as I had to be a one man band and run the computer and audio mixer myself. But I think everyone enjoyed what I had to say about Esther 1 and the questions I lined up for some group discussions. Really appreciating how much work goes into sermon prep.
<2022-08-07T11:01:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm glad it worked out!
<2022-08-07T11:19:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have you got any tips when it comes to talking a lot without losing your voice?
<2022-08-07T12:02:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: Water lol
<2022-08-07T12:02:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: Being well hydrated from the getgo and having a little bottle or cup of water handy is a massive help
<2022-08-07T12:04:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Fair enough
<2022-08-09T05:17:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You mentioned picking Rands brain in the last Godcast for streaming and so on. You might also want to talk to include ComradePond his co-host in that conversation. I think she's also handled a lot of the backend stuff you'd be looking at to get started.
<2022-08-09T09:58:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: I imagine she'd be better able to actually have that conversation lol. Rand is a much busier guy
<2022-08-09T10:02:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Timezones are also a bitch.
<2022-08-09T10:04:29.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yep. We should fix this by having only one time zone but forcing everyone on one side of the world to be nocturnal for half the year. Then it switches.
<2022-08-09T10:09:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Pretty sure I'd die if I have to drive on Australian roads at night for half of the year. With Roos being nocturnal it'd just be a matter of time before I caught one through the windscreen.
<2022-08-09T11:26:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's where spiky post apocalyptic vehicles come in, I suppose.
<2022-08-09T11:26:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: Or those South African cars with the flamethrower
<2022-08-09T11:31:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: They'd be fine for Roos but Wombats are also a thing with their special innate power to appear where your engine used to be
<2022-08-09T12:00:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: They really should just domesticated the wombat population and make them all pets instead of letting them run free
<2022-08-16T10:20:17.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Do you remember which OT book had passages where the Lord tells the jews something along the lines of "be a blessing to the nations you are exiled in"?
<2022-08-16T11:28:59.000Z> SuperLutheran: I believe that's in Jeremiah
<2022-08-16T11:29:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: He more or less tells them to plant gardens, get married, be good subjects, etc.
<2022-08-16T11:38:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: that's what I was looking for thanks
<2022-08-16T12:33:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Any time fam
<2022-08-19T12:58:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: would it be too much of a stretch to also describe Haman as a reminder of Israel's past unfaithfulness due to him being an Amalekite?
<2022-08-19T14:13:51.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well they were told to kill them all and didn't, so that is a possibility, but his identification as an amalekite does mean he's an enemy
<2022-08-19T14:21:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What's your take on Mordecai not bowing to him? I'm starting to think it was a pride thing and that he refused to bow to an amalekite instead of refusing to do it as it meant worshipping Haman.
<2022-08-19T14:50:28.000Z> SuperLutheran: Bowing is a sign of respect. Haman wasn't demanding worship after all.
<2022-08-19T14:51:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: If it were, then it would be reflected in the text as it is for Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego
<2022-08-19T14:51:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: Haman never proclaims himself as a god and nor does he dand worship.
<2022-08-19T14:52:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: *demand
<2022-08-19T14:53:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: That said, mordecai *may* have refused to bow out of a piety spurred on by Daniel's refusal to bow to idols under Nebuchadnezzar. He may have interpreted Daniel's obedience to the First Commandment as a broad precedent to bow before no one.
<2022-08-19T14:53:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: Kind of like how Baptists like to say "we have no king but King Jesus."
<2022-08-19T14:55:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: But remember that Esther bows before the king, because such is proper to do!
<2022-08-19T14:59:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That makes sense and fits what I was thinking, though I may be looking down on Mordecai and assuming he was faithless because of a dislike for modern Jews.
<2022-08-19T15:26:25.000Z> SuperLutheran: I think Esther is a landmark in the decline of their post exilic spirituality as you know. Kinda hard not to feel a bit of contempt.
<2022-08-19T15:28:04.000Z> SuperLutheran: But a bit of sympathy for them ought to be rafforded, as esther and mordecai grew up in the diaspora, so they didn't even see the second Temple and they may not have had access to the Scriptures
<2022-08-19T15:28:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I just don't want the contempt to lead me to lie whether by mistake or not. So I'm trying to be careful with what I talk about on Sunday for Esther 2 and 3.
<2022-08-19T15:29:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That is true, they never knew Jerusalem
<2022-08-19T15:31:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I guess that's the tragedy of Esther, they may very well just not know how to follow God's Law and only have the customs their parents taught them.
<2022-08-19T15:33:08.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So they fast because they've been taught to fast before important events but they don't know why they fast.
<2022-08-19T15:43:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Anyway I'm going to get some sleep it's 0140hrs here and I need to stop going down Bible rabbit holes. Have a good one.
<2022-08-21T10:25:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks for your help Super, that's another evening service and 2 chapters of Esther down. Apparently I had my Pastor a bit worried with where I was going but it all came together in the end.
<2022-08-21T10:44:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: Glad to hear it!
<2022-08-21T10:59:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: He was concerned when I started with "here's Esther and Mordecai but don't automatically think they're the heroes of Esther" and then followed up with a look at their behaviour as exiles and how such behaviour is understandable but not always commendable.
<2022-08-21T12:06:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well put, it tells the truth but includes the nuance
<2022-08-27T09:57:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I don't mean it as a demand. Christ_is_Lord and Fern are pretty switched on when it comes to the LCA. I don't want to give people the wrong info by accident or an incomplete picture.
<2022-08-27T10:06:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: No worries man, I didn't think you were making any demands at all.
<2022-08-27T10:07:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's good to be careful tbh, especially when it comes to a topic like a whole denominational body
<2022-08-27T10:11:09.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If they're comfortable sharing it'd also be good to compare their experience with their current church against mine. Since we've got a church that's struggling to stay open and one (mine) which is doing okay for now but is mostly populated by oldies especially when it comes to leadership roles.
<2022-08-27T11:22:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: That'd be pretty interesting 
<2022-08-31T00:04:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: any chance you've got plans to put together some info/instructions on how to preach/prepare a sermon?
<2022-08-31T00:08:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: I can do that
<2022-08-31T00:09:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: I mean, it's down the line, but it could be included
<2022-08-31T00:11:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Probably something to put against the Catacomb Synod stuff you have in the works. It's just on my mind as I'm doing a Lay Preacher course at the moment
<2022-08-31T00:12:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ah. 
<2022-08-31T00:13:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh, speaking of that, what do you think of the website? I know it's barebones, but one dude said it was painful lol
<2022-08-31T00:15:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It looks alright to me considering it's so new. The formatting for the About page could be better and the homepage should probably have something more than just a motto. But otherwise it's looks like a good base to start from.
<2022-08-31T00:16:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah. Here's hoping I can keep it from getting screwy when I add stuff
<2022-08-31T00:17:09.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What are you building it with?
<2022-08-31T00:17:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: ZenBusiness 
<2022-08-31T00:21:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Fair enough, it's all widgets that you drag and drop in a builder isn't it?
<2022-08-31T00:25:28.000Z> SuperLutheran: Basically 
<2022-08-31T00:25:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: Kinda frustrating, but it's nice that it comes with the whole business management package
<2022-08-31T00:26:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah and for 90% of what you're doing it's going to be enough. I don't expect that you'll need to do anything really tricky with websites.
<2022-08-31T00:27:02.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah, not really.
<2022-08-31T00:27:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: I still made sure to get Cloudflare tho
<2022-08-31T00:29:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah kinda forced to at this point.
<2022-09-01T09:56:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I assume Aussie courses are different to US ones but which of these do you think would be a good place to start in terms of pastoral study: frontier.lca.org.au/courses/ pretty bare bones at the moment since they only just got up and running (the Dean is the author I mentioned)
<2022-09-01T10:01:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: Depends on your goals.
<2022-09-01T10:02:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd say looking long term is best, but if you're trying to do vocational ministry then the certification programs that are more short term could help you get your foot in the door.
<2022-09-01T10:03:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ultimately you'll end up needing something equivalent to a Masters degree tho
<2022-09-01T10:07:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I was thinking I'd need a Masters or a Bachelors or something. I think my goal at the moment is twofold. First is to discern whether I'm cut out to be a Pastor and second is to undertake study that will make me a better Preacher for the evening services. Since I'll at least be staying with my current congregation until 2024 I'll be running those services for the foreseeable future.
<2022-09-01T10:27:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: In that case, it'd probably be good to take a semester on counseling or church administration. 
<2022-09-01T10:28:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's what usually trips guys up. They can be apt to preach and teach, but when it comes to interpersonal stuff or administration they get bogged down.
<2022-09-01T10:28:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: It'd be a good idea to try to speak to the dean though, as well as your pastor to get the 2nd and 3rd opinion
<2022-09-01T10:30:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've already reached out to the Dean and he said "thanks for reaching out Crux! Take a look at the courses on the site"
<2022-09-01T10:30:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Though in fairness to him he did give me his number to call him once I've had a look
<2022-09-01T10:31:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's a really good sign 
<2022-09-01T10:31:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: A bit annoyed since I went to him with "here's what this other Lutheran college is doing, do you have an equivalent". Was hoping to be told "yeah do this course/series of courses instead of RTFM"
<2022-09-01T10:32:50.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Now I'm getting caught up in the whole Uni thing of grad, post-grad, diploma and all I want is a flow chart telling me what the LCA wants for a Pastor
<2022-09-01T10:33:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: Chances are they don't know what they want themselves
<2022-09-01T10:34:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I guess like everyone else they know they want people with fancy bits of paper but that's about it.
<2022-09-01T10:36:17.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Maybe frontier.lca.org.au/dipministry/ is a good place to start
<2022-09-01T10:37:17.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Since it's got room for some practical stuff like Pastoral Care and hopefully there will be something for admin
<2022-09-01T10:38:08.000Z> Crux_Invictus: From what I've seen being on the Ministry Team for the church it's almost like running a business in the kind of admin that's required
<2022-09-01T10:39:21.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's mostly planning in my experience
<2022-09-01T10:39:57.000Z> SuperLutheran: I've told every church I worked with that I don't touch money, so the church treasurer has to do all that
<2022-09-01T10:41:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah we've got a treasurer and all that but no chair or vice-chair so the Pastor ends up doing a fair bit of that executive work. It's more the recruiting and other HR aspects that get me. I was fairly close to that in a past life as a TL so it's familiar but I didn't have to mess about with the paperwork all that much
<2022-09-01T10:42:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If we had a chairman I think he could spend more time just being a Pastor which would be nice
<2022-09-01T11:26:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've made the mistake of looking at the course fees again. lol, lmao.
<2022-09-02T10:05:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The Artaxerxes in Ezra 4 is Artaxerxes II right?
<2022-09-02T10:08:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Sorry Artaxerxes I
<2022-09-02T10:38:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: I don't recall
<2022-09-02T10:45:27.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Fair enough
<2022-09-02T11:06:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It's a bit difficult to find other sermons on Esther I can stomach. One I was listening to said "the Christian is a revolutionary!" and I just couldn't keep going with it
<2022-09-02T11:47:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh my, that's advanced stupid 
<2022-09-03T10:58:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What's your thought on doing some kind of service via stream? Not like what churches had to do in lock down. But something that can be done to bring some Gospel into the Poast sphere on a Sunday and place for prayer.
<2022-09-03T11:07:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's on the list lol
<2022-09-03T11:08:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I was thinking about something I could do since I've been meaning to test out whether I can stream on my connection. Was going to do some kind of Songs of Praise thing but I think a kind of service would be better. I can at least pick some songs, do some prayers and nick a sermon from VLP or the Godcast.
<2022-09-03T11:21:02.000Z> SuperLutheran: It'd be worth a shot, at least for dudes in your hemisphere 
<2022-09-03T11:21:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: Finding the exact time would be hard on my end given how much poast spans the globe
<2022-09-03T11:24:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I'm trying to think of a good timeslot for it. I might just have to do it every other Sunday when I'm not doing the evening service and whoever turns up, turns up.
<2022-09-03T11:24:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Might just start with movie nights + prayers for people on Poast and go from there.
<2022-09-03T11:25:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: That might work
<2022-09-03T11:26:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: On my end it'll be posting the sermons and links to the basic liturgy (starting next week) so people can have a home church experience 
<2022-09-03T11:27:50.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Sounds good, once I've finished this lay preacher training and have gotten ok at writing sermons I might hit you up and see if I can help in some way.
<2022-09-03T11:43:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: Excellent. 
<2022-09-03T11:43:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: I need to write a goofy song about Lutherans working together
<2022-09-03T11:46:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This but "We all Preach together"? youtube.com/watch?v=mPTCq3LiZSE
<2022-09-03T11:55:28.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well if we're going with meme game songs I'd try something like "keep your rifle by your side"
<2022-09-03T11:55:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That'd be too easy though
<2022-09-03T11:58:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So long as it's not a parody of a disney song
<2022-09-03T12:06:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: On the note (lol) of music I'm struggling to find metal Christian songs that I think I can trust. Love what our brother Hardlook does but I'm desperate to find some hymns or psalms in that style.
<2022-09-03T12:06:44.000Z> SuperLutheran: Extol did a fantastic version of Jesus Kom til Jorden for a Do, one of my favorite hymns
<2022-09-03T12:09:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Just stumbled across a channel that covered some of the more known contemporary songs and Come all ye faithful. They sound alright but there's bugger all: youtube.com/channel/UCGHUelq9h9BuVJg7Ki8UYxQ
<2022-09-03T12:14:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: Very 2015 lol I remember this sound getting HUGE
<2022-09-03T12:15:03.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah and the haircuts really take me back
<2022-09-03T12:16:32.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The dirty blonde/brown haired guy is the spitting image of one of the best workers I was ever responsible for. Shame he has a terminal case of yellow fever
<2022-09-03T12:18:12.000Z> SuperLutheran: I propose a treaty with our women: they police their own to prevent mudsharking, we police our fellow men to get them off rice burning
<2022-09-03T12:19:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I second that motion
<2022-09-08T02:39:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: what the heck is going on in that thread
<2022-09-08T02:40:04.000Z> SuperLutheran: People who aren't as smart as they think they are.
<2022-09-08T02:40:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: what is it about baptism that just brings out the tism in people. I'm pretty sure this xenophon guy is a bad actor, I refuse to believe anyone could earnestly hold such weird positions
<2022-09-08T02:47:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm debating whether or not to just poast Romans 9:15 and walk away
<2022-09-08T03:08:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: lol he knows that you were in the Navy but not the study you did to become a Pastor
<2022-09-08T03:09:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's bait to get me to self dox and get kicked off Poast
<2022-09-08T03:10:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: NCD accounts are real strange
<2022-09-08T03:12:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah...
<2022-09-08T03:12:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: Not very nice and not a cohesive crew.
<2022-09-08T03:15:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think I'm just going to put xenophon in the hyperborean sperg basket and mute
<2022-09-08T03:16:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lmaooooo
<2022-09-08T03:16:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: But let me know if you start poasting pigs at him and I'll gladly join in
<2022-09-08T03:17:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: He's honestly more likely to be a fed or d&c shill than hyper
<2022-09-08T03:17:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: Dude once posted my dox and moved from poast to avoid the banhammer
<2022-09-08T03:18:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Oh well that changes things, I didn't know about that
<2022-09-08T03:18:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah, he's a bad actor if there ever was one
<2022-09-08T03:18:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: But duty calls
<2022-09-08T03:42:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The topic for Rand's Friday stream should be "forgiveness" so he forgives me my shitpoast and unblocks me. Though hopefully the voucher I sent him for a local Gin distillery blots out my sin.
<2022-09-08T03:44:36.000Z> SuperLutheran: Rand blocked you???
<2022-09-08T03:45:17.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, I made the mistake of making a shitpost at his expense during his no good very bad day when his vape broke.
<2022-09-08T03:45:29.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh my.
<2022-09-08T03:47:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I hope the voucher makes it to his PO box safely, I think it's been 10+ years since I last sent a letter and you can't just hand deliver it apparently.
<2022-09-10T12:12:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: what do you use to record your stuff for the VLP? Just audacity or something else?
<2022-09-10T12:31:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: Audacity, a Samsong G track mic, and a pop filter
<2022-09-10T12:37:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I found a secondhand HyperX Quadcast which going off of reviews should be decent.
<2022-09-10T12:38:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I was on the fence about getting a mic until I tried recording myself using the mic on my headset which I use for work and I sounded awful
<2022-09-10T12:38:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You sounded pretty good today on Rand's stream from what I did catch of it
<2022-09-10T12:49:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thanks
<2022-09-10T12:49:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: I don't know how much the hyperx costs, but the AT 2020 is a decent alternative. Myles can send you a link
<2022-09-10T12:52:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It's alright I've already ordered it, cost me about ~$150AUD and it retails for ~$220AUD. So only cost me a little more than the AT2020 would by the looks of it
<2022-09-10T12:54:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If I understand right I might also be able to use it for interviews if my Pastor or someone in the district ever wants to record something podcasty.
<2022-09-10T12:55:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm starting to get really autistic about audio quality though which may become a problem
<2022-09-14T12:48:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Arguing/teaching internet people what a Christian is counts as pastoral care right?
<2022-09-14T14:05:59.000Z> SuperLutheran: Kind of
<2022-09-14T14:06:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's not exactly for the person you're debating, but more for the people on the sidelines watching
<2022-09-14T14:28:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, I'm going to mute this latest bright spark and head to bed now that I've worked out my songs for Sunday
<2022-09-14T14:31:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: Aye, get some good rest.
<2022-09-14T14:37:16.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Oh God there's also a jeff cliff thread?
<2022-09-14T14:42:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: XD
<2022-09-16T11:04:44.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Do you think our Brother Fortunato is a mormon? Or did he just think the temple was a proper church and not some gnostic thing that God kept destroying (if I read the wiki article right)?
<2022-09-16T11:09:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: disregard, he thought it was a video about building a church
<2022-09-16T11:42:46.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lmao that's how they try to getcha. Mormons go crypto more than jews
<2022-09-16T11:48:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Having pentagrams in your windows is kinda screaming it. But I guess that's only for people who notice
<2022-09-16T11:50:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: In other news I picked up a copy of House of Flying Daggers for $1.50
<2022-09-16T11:52:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm debating whether I should grab some horror films and talk about how they try to associate Christian things with evil. Might be ok for a Poast audience but I'm not taking it anywhere near my IRL congregation.
<2022-09-16T11:52:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thoughts?
<2022-09-16T12:11:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sorry, was I the shower.
<2022-09-16T12:12:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: the perfect place for thinking
<2022-09-16T12:12:21.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd say it honestly depends on the horror flick. The Conjuring movies were almost evangelism in the positive way they present Christianity, even if it is goofy
<2022-09-16T12:14:09.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Was thinking of the 1000s that have exorcism as a major part or *evil nuns* as the villains. Not sure if it's worth it though.
<2022-09-16T12:19:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: Something to think about, certainly. The good ones have an element of "scared straight" evangelism to them - peretti has that as his whole schtick
<2022-09-16T12:21:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'll keep thinking and praying about it, at the moment I've just picked movies that should be enjoyable to watch. If I can get my hands on a working mic soon I might start sooner rather than later. I think Poast could use the distraction right now.
<2022-09-16T12:47:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: That is certainly true. One of the reasons Myles wants to do movie reviews
<2022-09-16T12:49:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: In stream format or as videos?
<2022-09-16T12:55:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I have a strong desire to review stuff like this: christiancinema.com/digital/movie/heavens-war
<2022-09-17T12:47:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: How do people put together daily devotions? I was thinking about recording some to help me get in the habit and sort out any mic problems.
<2022-09-17T13:04:07.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sometimes they just copypasta the daily devotionals 
<2022-09-17T13:04:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: Other times they read and comment on the daily lectionary
<2022-09-17T13:04:29.000Z> SuperLutheran: To each his own I guess 
<2022-09-17T13:08:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The lectionary doesn't make much sense, I can't even tell what year we're in
<2022-09-17T13:08:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh no, y'all are using the 3 year?
<2022-09-17T13:09:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah I believe so
<2022-09-17T13:12:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah that one gets confusing. I prefer the one year for that reason
<2022-09-17T13:17:05.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I wonder how Corey puts together his devotions for confident.faith
<2022-09-17T13:26:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: I think he uses a daily lectionary
<2022-09-17T13:28:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This is getting out of hand
<2022-09-17T13:31:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Well I think I'll put that back in the to-do basket. Heading to bed now that I think I'm getting decent audio in OBS. Got a whole day of church tomorrow running both the morning and evening service but I've only got to do one sermon.
<2022-09-17T13:32:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have a good one mate
<2022-09-17T13:34:48.000Z> SuperLutheran: Night brother, God bless
<2022-10-08T03:56:05.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Don't tell me you're doing another all nighter Brother
<2022-10-08T12:19:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Nah I was finished up at a reasonable hour lol
<2022-10-13T10:29:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You really called it in your VLL episode on preaching. This first draft was like pulling teeth.
<2022-10-13T11:52:12.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol it really do be like that 
<2022-10-13T11:52:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: Over time it does get a bit easier though
<2022-10-13T11:54:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I hope so, I'm already rewriting part of it after some feedback from Fern
<2022-10-20T23:32:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, other than the gumroad do you have any other online donation options? Gumroad isn't accepting the usual visa giftcards I use for online donos.
<2022-10-20T23:40:12.000Z> SuperLutheran: Uh, I suppose I could link the private payal, but you'd have to email me a reminder tomorrow for opsec (don't trust Poast security much these days)
<2022-10-20T23:47:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: How far do you think we can trust gumroad with cc info?
<2022-10-21T00:09:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well no one's been doxed from their end, they've had no leaks, etc.
<2022-10-21T00:09:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: China owns Gumroad and they don't give a darn 
<2022-10-21T00:10:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: Also I'm normie friendly
<2022-10-21T00:16:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Cool, I'll send you some money that way then.
<2022-10-21T00:20:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thank you brother!
<2022-10-21T09:11:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think I have a guy claiming that Greeks were the real jews
<2022-10-21T09:11:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: poa.st/@Blak_Garden_Gnome/posts/AOmm34uBrKuqpRZbPc
<2022-10-21T10:10:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Also the donation has been made, I don't have any requests as you've already done so much to help me.
<2022-10-21T15:49:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thank you sir!
<2022-10-21T15:49:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: (and also I hope I'm not waking you up with this).
<2022-10-21T15:50:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: Your donation is extremely generous and I greatly appreciate it. But keep in mind that I never want you to feel like you've owed me anything or have to do this on account of favors. I'm happy to help you out because you're my brother in Christ and I want to see you thrive in ministry!
<2022-10-22T11:15:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: that feel when you read your sermon out loud and realise some sentences are far too long and others are awkward to speak
<2022-10-22T11:16:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well hey, better to do it now than to realize it on Sunday morning lol
<2022-10-22T11:19:07.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yep, I've tried to add some kind of illustrations by sharing some personal stories but I'm going to need to practice that a lot more.
<2022-10-22T11:20:03.000Z> SuperLutheran: Trust me, it gets easier to do this over time, don't feel too frustrated by it
<2022-10-22T11:24:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Listening to how you do it has helped a lot, especially your tentatio sermon
<2022-10-22T11:26:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm glad it helped
<2022-10-22T11:40:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It did and not just by being an example but also because you covered a lot of what I've been feeling the last couple of weeks. My full-time study next year is quickly approaching but I still don't know how I'll manage it. I'm meeting with the Dean of the school next week so hopefully I'll start seeing a bit of the path God has laid out for me
<2022-10-22T11:43:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: I believe He will brother. 
<2022-10-22T11:44:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: You're definitely going through a period of preparation, learning through difficult times as well as study. I went through the same thing
<2022-10-22T11:47:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Speaking of preparation I was almost picked to do an emergency baptism tomorrow as well as the sermon. The Pastor's suddenly fallen sick and none of the other Pastors are available. Luckily one of the more senior lay people in the church is able to do it. So I can just focus on the message.
<2022-10-22T11:47:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I know I've always joked about learning best by being thrown in the deep end. But I'm glad God was merciful as I'd probably be shattered after service.
<2022-10-22T11:48:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's be one heck of a way to do your first Baptism lol
<2022-10-22T11:50:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: talk about a trial by fire, it really feels like I'm speed running this calling sometimes
<2022-10-22T11:51:16.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's encouraging though, as it's verifying the immediate call. 
<2022-10-22T11:51:47.000Z> SuperLutheran: God is calling you to service - and now it's gotta be verified by the mediate call, and if the congregation is having you do things, then that's a good sign
<2022-10-22T11:53:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, I think I'm the only one who's hesitant to step up as I feel like I haven't been a part of the congregation long enough. But they've been more than willing to give me the push.
<2022-10-22T11:54:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: That'll be challenged at one point
<2022-10-22T11:55:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: As good as it is to hear they like you this much, if you do the proper work of preaching, some will get offended. At that point it'll be on you to show them you love them even when the Law pricks their consciences, and if you can do that you've done all the better.
<2022-10-22T12:02:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think that will happen if I ever have to do the thankless task of preaching on women's ordination. Or preach on the first few paragraphs of Romans 13. With how much Ukraine is still in the news there's a lot of prayers for them but I've tried to temper it by encouraging people to just pray for peace.
<2022-10-22T12:07:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Anyway I better head to bed as the sermon is as good as it's going to get
<2022-10-22T12:07:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: Absolutely man - have a good evening. God bless you!
<2022-10-22T12:08:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: and you also, take care Brother and thanks as always for your help
<2022-10-26T11:22:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Met with the Dean of where I'll probably be doing my diploma of ministry yesterday. Not much concrete action came of it yet but he suggested I meet with the bishop and assistant bishop which is happening tomorrow
<2022-10-26T11:24:32.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Lots more doors to knock on just waiting on the right one to open. Hopefully I'll find my way into a church job next year that'll keep a roof over my head while I study
<2022-10-26T14:22:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: That'd be cool. At the very least maybe you'll find yourself with a nice, cushy secretary gig like I did while in seminary. Helps teach church administration while you study, and you learn interactions with laity pretty well.
<2022-11-05T11:52:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I just spent all day on like 7 verses of Romans and now there's a thread about law and gospel being heretical. Whew lad.
<2022-11-05T11:54:16.000Z> SuperLutheran: This guy is absolutely ignorant lol
<2022-11-05T11:54:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh he thinks he's well read, because he attacked Law and Gospel instead of Sola Fide or Sola Scriptura...but he doesn't know what he's talking about 
<2022-11-05T11:56:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Surely Law and Gospel isn't just a Lutheran or Protestant thing?
<2022-11-05T12:02:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I want to watch this thread shake out but I need to get up early to set up for worship. You have fun with old mate.
<2022-11-05T12:13:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol have a good sleep brother
<2022-11-08T12:21:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What are your thoughts on taking up an admin gig in a Catholic church? There's one going at the moment here but I'm worried about applying as a Lutheran since part of the requirements is to affirm Catholicism. But I'm also afraid that I'm rejecting God's attempt to help me by being too hard to please.
<2022-11-08T17:00:13.000Z> SuperLutheran: If the requirement is to be a member of the rcc, then you should not go
<2022-11-08T17:00:46.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm not saying it's immoral to work for Catholics, but the requirement is going to seriously hamper you. 
<2022-11-08T17:01:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: Remember, pastors live in glass houses: everyone is looking in, so you have to keep your nose clean. If someone saw that you affirmed Catholicism to be an admin guy while attending seminary, you WILL be attacked for it.
<2022-11-08T23:18:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's my thinking, how can I say hand on heart I believe that Lutheranism is true if I'm so mercenary with who I'll work for.
<2022-11-09T03:15:24.000Z> SuperLutheran: 100%
<2022-11-16T11:00:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think my Sermon's good for this Sunday and I removed that whole "Gospel of the coming Christ" part that wasn't quite sitting well so you can pretty much ignore that email.
<2022-11-16T11:01:08.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Unless you notice any glaring issues with the rest of the Sermon that is.
<2022-11-16T11:04:04.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'll take a look this afternoon and check. Sounds to me like God is giving you the spiritual gift He gives to every faithful pastor - double checking and questioning everything in the sermon lol
<2022-11-16T11:07:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm getting flashbacks to writing essays the day before they're due and listening to music.
<2022-11-16T19:21:55.000Z> SuperLutheran: I like the way you've got it, and I didn't notice any flow problems with the Advent-pointing paragraph tbh. It's a decent 10-minute homily with a clear, concise message. It preaches Law and Gospel, gets at the heart of the pericope, and doesn't allow for the hearer to say "yeah but what about x, y, or z."
<2022-11-16T19:22:00.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd say you did pretty well fam.
<2022-11-16T20:17:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate
<2022-11-16T23:17:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You wouldn't happen to have any examples of pamphlets/flyers you've used would you? I want to put something together for our Christmas Eve and Day services.
<2022-11-17T00:46:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd have to look around for something I could scan and send you. Could you email me about it tomorrow and I'll look?
<2022-11-17T00:46:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Will do, thank you
<2022-11-17T00:47:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: Any time fam
<2022-11-27T02:11:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Quick update before you hit the hay. You know how you though my putting my resignation in was sudden? Well my last day was supposed to be the 16th of December. But my actual last day ended up being last Thursday. I am currently neetmaxxing.
<2022-11-27T02:35:29.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh my. You being taken care of fam? U need help?
<2022-11-27T03:18:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm right for the moment, got enough savings to get me through around 6 months if I stay in the place I'm renting currently. Will probably be moving in with my Pastor and his wife early in the new year though so things will be easier.
<2022-11-27T04:40:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Glad to hear it brother
<2022-12-03T03:33:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So your telegram is unfiltered Super? I thought that was Poast.
<2022-12-03T03:44:25.000Z> SuperLutheran: Unfiltered?
<2022-12-03T03:59:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You've got a bit more punch than I've seen on Poast or VLL. Then again maybe it's gym brain talking 
<2022-12-03T04:32:13.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ah
<2022-12-03T04:32:36.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well, gotta pet my followers I'm not a HUNDRED percent normoe friendly lol
<2022-12-03T04:42:16.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This is true
<2022-12-03T04:42:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I need more content to listen to while putting flyers in people's mailboxes so I'm glad you've got some on telegram
<2022-12-07T02:35:32.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Sorry if I came off flippant or combative in that black lagoon thread. Didn't mean to but it's been weighing on my conscience ever since 
<2022-12-07T03:23:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: I didn't see that at all lol, it sounded all in jest fam, we're all good
<2022-12-07T03:26:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate, looking forward to the episode
<2022-12-12T04:30:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So uh, want to do a full silly voices audio book?
<2022-12-12T04:30:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: poa.st/@Onideus/posts/AQWFjN3wBtwKuLpQSO
<2022-12-12T11:31:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: How bad is it? I mean, the words "watt" and "pad" together is a portent of complete silliness
<2022-12-12T11:33:18.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It's so bad I couldn't get past the first couple of paragraphs
<2022-12-12T11:33:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So bad that I don't even know if it's a really good troll or someone honestly living the "I am euphoric" meme
<2022-12-12T11:44:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh my, this is bad...
<2022-12-12T11:45:39.000Z> SuperLutheran: "Heh, I said I just cancel out perspective and I automatically won, heh, they have never debated someone like me before kek"
<2022-12-12T11:45:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've also asked Myles how much for a popcorn and soda on it
<2022-12-12T12:02:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If you need a palate cleanser I've just sent you a draft sermon for feedback when you've got time 
<2022-12-12T13:00:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thanks, I'll take a look later today. But for now I need a long shower ow ow ow that workout. 
<2022-12-12T16:11:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: soundcloud.com/verylutheran/vll-34 
<2022-12-12T16:11:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: I figured it shouldn't have to wait on Myles lol
<2022-12-12T20:02:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate
<2022-12-13T02:41:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: To think this all started with a Scalar thread
<2022-12-13T02:44:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: yes lol
<2022-12-13T02:49:33.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I swear he's either 12, possessed by 12 demons or a really good troll
<2022-12-13T02:52:59.000Z> SuperLutheran: He's 43
<2022-12-13T02:53:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Lord have mercy
<2022-12-15T22:18:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Didn't know old mate resorted to dox in the end. Sorry it went that way from some initial laughing at fanfic
<2022-12-15T22:38:25.000Z> SuperLutheran: Such is life tbh
<2022-12-15T22:38:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: I forgive him. Lord knows he doesn't have much of anything going on in his life
<2022-12-15T22:39:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: He also accused me of beating my wife and kids. Because reasons
<2022-12-15T22:39:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Given what he wrote in that fanfic about abuse and abusers it sounds like projection. Man's got demons and all the weed is only making the condition worse
<2022-12-16T20:49:02.000Z> SuperLutheran: On the sermon you sent, 
<2022-12-16T20:50:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: I honestly couldn't have written it better myself. You have clearly gone through the Tentatio process that the Psalms most definitely invite us to experience, you applied it *very* well to the dire situation of the Lutherans of Australia, and you point directly at Christ as the only One who can come and fix it.
<2022-12-16T20:51:30.000Z> SuperLutheran: It might be, depending on how well you know your congregation, that if their poor souls would feel a bit too crushed over it, that you could console them a little more at the end, point to the established fact of Christ's imminent Return. But if they are spiritually mature, then they will seek Him as a response to the sermon as written.
<2022-12-16T20:58:17.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's been my fear with this sermon that it'll be too heavy for them to bear. I changed the last paragraph a bit after some feedback from my Pastor so now it's:
<2022-12-16T20:58:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "As Advent comes to a close and we prepare to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Let us call upon the Lord who is enthroned upon the cherubim to shine forth. Lord! Before your Bride, the Church, stir up your might and come to save us! We remember your first Advent and the promise of your second. Lord we remember your first Advent and the promise of your return. Restore us so that we may live and reign with You for ever and ever."
<2022-12-16T20:58:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: and now I've noticed I repeated myself in it
<2022-12-16T20:59:03.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "As Advent comes to a close and we prepare to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. Let us call upon the Lord who is enthroned upon the cherubim to shine forth. Lord! Before your Bride, the Church, stir up your might and come to save us! Lord we remember your first Advent and the promise of your return. Restore us so that we may live and reign with You for ever and ever."
<2022-12-16T21:01:46.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I also clarified that the "we" in "we turned our backs on Christ" refers to the collective we of Christendom rather than just my congregation
<2022-12-16T23:14:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: Good idea fam
<2022-12-16T23:18:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: thanks mate
<2022-12-24T10:19:50.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, I know you've got a busy day (couple of days) ahead but could you say a prayer for our Brother: poa.st/@festivity/posts/AQvcz8Dhbj99MBTrl2
<2022-12-24T10:20:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: He's going through a rough patch from the sounds of it and I don't know what can be said to help him at the moment
<2022-12-24T12:56:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Aye, I'll dm him. I can't see the original post, but I'll praybforbhim and see if I can help.
<2022-12-24T19:17:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thank you
<2022-12-28T01:31:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: How often do people reach out to you on poast for pastoral care?
<2022-12-28T04:52:13.000Z> SuperLutheran: Every other day at least 
<2022-12-28T04:57:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Am I wrong to encourage them to go to church for pastoral care or failing that reach out to you? I feel a bit frustrated with my lack of knowledge but I don't want to steer them wrong.
<2022-12-28T14:15:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: For now that's a good way to go about it - but I'd tell them to both go to me AND go to church
<2022-12-28T14:16:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: With a lot of these guys' problems, they're pretty /ourguy/ related, making them gunshy about seeing a pastor who might freak out about muh racism or whatever
<2022-12-28T22:31:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's true, of all the Pastors in my city I probably found the most tolerant. I hope eventually I'll know enough about the various Lutheran congregations around Australia that I can point guys to decent Pastors. Assuming our synod next year doesn't spell the end of us.
<2023-01-08T20:09:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What are you quoting from on telegram?
<2023-01-08T20:31:17.000Z> SuperLutheran: From Martin Luther, "That a Christian Assembly or Congregation has the Right and Power to Judge All Teaching and to Call, Appoint, and Dismiss Teachers, Established and Proven by Scripture."
<2023-01-08T20:31:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's in Luther's Works
<2023-01-08T20:32:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I forgot he was German, I thought that was another quote and not the title
<2023-01-08T20:32:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol yeah, they aren't known for their brevity in titles 
<2023-01-25T02:20:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thank you for the shoutout, dude! The more people hear about the VLP, the better!
<2023-01-25T02:58:04.000Z> Crux_Invictus: No worries mate, it's the least I can do
<2023-01-25T03:05:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I know you're already working on similar but might be good to shift focus to some quick and dirty guides for small groups and house churches. At the 1 page 'how to' guide level.
<2023-01-25T03:10:16.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Though thinking about it more we've got the small catechism for that anyway
<2023-01-25T03:18:45.000Z> SuperLutheran: Agreed tho, most people don't know how to use the small catechism 
<2023-01-25T03:22:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, I think further condensing it might be useful for us. I'll think about it more and what I think people starting out might look for.
<2023-02-01T20:07:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Just read your Pastor stories on tg.
<2023-02-01T20:07:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Man I hope I'm sent to a regional church
<2023-02-01T20:13:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I don't wanna go to Melbourne
<2023-02-01T20:37:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: My hope is that you find yourself in a congregation full of mature Christians. I had two congregations full of people who, let's face it, were failing to thrive in their sanctification. 
<2023-02-01T20:37:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: It would also be a blessing if you pastored over a *new* Church, one where everyone is just getting to know each other and just starting to learn about how a lot of the faith works.
<2023-02-01T21:07:08.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That would be nice
<2023-02-01T21:32:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Also I might be running a Romans Bible study soon. Pretty sure I'll be ordained before we get through the whole thing.
<2023-02-01T23:05:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: Awesome
<2023-02-01T23:05:42.000Z> SuperLutheran: One is never done studying Romans tbh
<2023-02-01T23:10:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: true
<2023-02-06T11:51:50.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Between you and the book of Concord I'm going to end up learning a lot of Latin
<2023-02-06T11:54:08.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Let it be known that I am a strongman not a smart man
<2023-02-06T11:54:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's actually something I'm gonna be working on this year
<2023-02-06T11:54:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: Finally gonna start hitting up Latin 
<2023-02-06T11:56:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So long as you continue to explain what the heck the words mean I'll be happy. I did do a septuagesima sunday themed evening service yesterday.
<2023-02-06T11:56:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So I guess I shouldn't complain too loudly
<2023-02-06T11:59:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: Awesome! How'd the congregation feel about it?
<2023-02-06T12:01:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Well the 5 of them liked it and the focus on forgiveness and my pastor approved so it went alright.
<2023-02-06T12:05:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: They don't like sermons and the small number means I run it pretty loosely. But I think it worked out pretty well.
<2023-02-06T12:06:37.000Z> SuperLutheran: Glad to hear people show up to an evening service at all tbh 
<2023-02-06T12:07:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: Small gatherings are often pretty nice, you get a better feel for the people there
<2023-02-06T12:09:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, it took me a while to figure out what they wanted but I think I've got it dialled in now.
<2023-02-06T12:19:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Anyway I better get to bed, have a good one mate. God bless.
<2023-02-06T12:20:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: U too brother! God grant you the rest given to all good workers
<2023-02-07T23:00:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You'd think someone who denies Original Sin because it "damns babies to hell" would agree with infant baptism. What a mess
<2023-02-12T02:11:03.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Saw some of the drama happening (again?) on Lutheran twitter. Hope you and yours are safe from what looks like LCMS people joining hands with antifa.
<2023-02-12T02:18:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: And saw that they doxed Corey, keeping you all in my prayers
<2023-02-12T02:19:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Makes my sermon today on the Beatitudes all the more poignant. Blessed are we when others persecute us on account of our faith. Blessed indeed.
<2023-02-12T03:21:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well Corey has always gone by his real name, so it's not rechnically a dox - just them going after his license, church, and friends. Which is to say, throwing the kitchen sink at him to see if anything will stick. 
<2023-02-12T03:22:04.000Z> SuperLutheran: We are indeed blessed in this, especially as it's making the leadership of the lcms and aalc VERY open about their true allegiances.
<2023-02-12T03:24:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I expect the LCA leadership will behave much the same. I'm led to believe a lot of the bishops are pro-wo which tells me all I need to know about their other beliefs.
<2023-02-12T03:28:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If only the non-LCA Lutheran churches weren't all situated in a completely different part of the country. 
<2023-02-12T03:36:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sucks man, sorry to hear it
<2023-02-12T03:39:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm sorry you're now being pinged by a pieville user.
<2023-02-12T03:39:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: Lol whatevs
<2023-02-12T03:40:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: Part of life is dealing with people who live in a place named after pie and are also schizophrenic 
<2023-02-12T03:40:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: But at least I know my pastor is against WO and looking at the socials there's a chunk of the LCA that are against it.
<2023-02-12T03:40:50.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, isn't that the truth
<2023-02-12T03:43:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The weird times are when they seem to be earnest in one thread and then poast in another that you're a cuck. Schizophrenia or group accounts in action I guess.
<2023-02-15T05:58:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I was having a look at some of the non-Lutheran Church of Australia Lutheran churches here in Australia. Looks like one of the biggest groups, the Australian Evangelical Lutheran Church, are in communion with the United Lutheran Mission Association in America. Have you heard anything about the ULMA? So far as I can tell the AELC seem pretty solid but I don't know much about the ULMA.
<2023-02-15T11:03:50.000Z> SuperLutheran: unitedlutheranmission.org/
<2023-02-15T11:05:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: Teenie tiny but Confessional, they left the LCMS to go toward congregational autonomy and actually, like, do evangelism. 
<2023-02-15T11:05:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: So thus far they get a thumbs up from me lol
<2023-02-15T11:05:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's the impression I got as well
<2023-02-15T11:07:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Same for the AELC, there's a handful of them but all in the same general area which is a long long way away from me
<2023-02-15T11:08:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: TBH maybe I should reach out. The VLP website had 10k visitors last month and ALL of them downloaded stuff like the sermons and Bible studies.
<2023-02-15T11:08:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Maybe I could give these dudes a hand 
<2023-02-15T11:09:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think that would be good
<2023-02-15T11:14:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If I were them or the AELC I'd be keeping an eye on all the drama in big Lutheranism and look for opportunities to shelter the actual congressional congregations
<2023-02-15T11:18:49.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh definitely. This is, like, their moment to start expanding aggressively and capitalizing. Church of the Lutheran Confession, ELS, AFLC, - heck, the Laestadians could get their ISIS on and start abducting people and it would probably work pretty well 
<2023-02-15T11:22:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: God what I would give to see a church plant from a confessional body in my city. Maybe when I'm trained and no longer owe the LCA any money I can reach out to them.
<2023-02-15T11:24:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: Good idea
<2023-02-23T01:53:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You just have to stream for the first time while I'm in class
<2023-02-23T01:54:07.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well I'll be uploading it onto soundcloud, like, right after
<2023-02-23T01:54:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: Hopefully, assuming I don't have to do much editing
<2023-02-23T01:59:41.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Best of luck
<2023-02-23T02:00:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: God be with you and the audience
<2023-02-24T05:29:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This is fucked up
<2023-02-24T12:01:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: What is?
<2023-02-24T12:11:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The latest on Corey's situation
<2023-02-24T12:12:48.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh 100%
<2023-02-24T12:13:48.000Z> SuperLutheran: My hope is that he still does some sort of devotion or home church thing rn, because he isn't going to he let in any churches for the time being. 
<2023-02-24T12:15:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yep, I'm certain he will.
<2023-02-24T12:16:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm uh, not so sure. Please pray for him brother. The man is so pigheadedly stubborn, he's surrounded himself with individuals whose basic message seems to be "LCMS or nothing."
<2023-02-24T12:52:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's concerning, he always struck me as the kind of guy to keep doing devotional things even if he were the only one.
<2023-02-24T12:53:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hopefully things cool off and he can find a way to worship without being arrested. As much as it might feel righteous in the moment.
<2023-02-26T01:24:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You wouldn't happen to have a litany somewhere for a lay led 'healing' service would you? Something with a focus on prayers for help and healing, not like the healings from the Pentecostals
<2023-02-26T01:38:16.000Z> SuperLutheran: Publishing a litany next week
<2023-02-26T01:48:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Cool
<2023-02-26T01:51:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I was racking my brain and talking to the lecturer at my course last week for things that might draw people in, and that kind of service was suggested
<2023-02-26T01:52:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: But I want to be careful with it and focus on prayer for healing and not 'faith healing'
<2023-03-01T20:58:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Not much of a rivalry when we're getting blown out of the water lol
<2023-03-01T21:00:16.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'd say having the truth on our side means we will always punch above our weight
<2023-03-01T21:01:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Considering who our enemies are you are right. Feels like a cope sometimes though
<2023-03-01T21:05:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: For sure. But I'm not going to quit just because we're small again. 
<2023-03-01T21:05:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: To think that at one point there was exactly one (1) Lutheran - Luther - brings me great encouragement
<2023-03-01T21:09:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Honestly I'm just having a sook because I'm starting to hit walls
<2023-03-01T22:34:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: What's going on, man?
<2023-03-01T23:36:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Got to find a new place to live with my dog (or a place for my dog) because rent is going up again. Was supposed to be studying full-time (which got some gov money) but found out I was part-time which meant no money (sorted that out now). And my church is in the red with dwindling numbers and tithes.
<2023-03-01T23:37:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Also getting frustrated with people bemoaning the lack of men standing up to be Pastors while I'm right there in front of them needing somewhere to live. (they're openly pro-WO)
<2023-03-01T23:39:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Also haven't heard anything from the LCA proper about study assistance. Starting to wonder if they even want any men to sign up to become Pastors. But I'm putting that down to just being frustrated rather than any kind of conspiracy.
<2023-03-02T00:00:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm sorry to hear it man. Anything I can do to help?
<2023-03-02T00:04:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Pray for me and just keep doing what you're doing.
<2023-03-02T00:05:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You and Myles can take some pride in the fact that with all of your content you've prepared me pretty well for my study. Though as a result I'm a bit too confessional/conservative in my theology for the LCAs liking.
<2023-03-07T09:26:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Pray for me Brother
<2023-03-07T09:26:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm in a zoom meeting for a course and there's one woman with a clerical collar and another studying for ordination
<2023-03-07T12:54:03.000Z> SuperLutheran: Oh my goodness, sorry to hear it. I hope that female learns humility and quits.
<2023-03-17T08:46:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, just sent you a time sensitive email, would appreciate if you could take a look at it as soon as you can.
<2023-03-17T10:41:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: Alright, responded as soon as I saw it
<2023-03-17T10:52:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate, I stopped by my church earlier this evening to do some stuff and prayed about it. I think I can hear God loud and clear on this one
<2023-03-17T10:54:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: and it's not that my Bishop has directly asked but the fact that he gave this guy my email means I can assume he'll look favourably on it
<2023-03-17T10:54:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: going to have to give up on the 7hr Godcast marathon though
<2023-03-17T11:05:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sorry fam. Hey, maybe he'll be a good conversationalist despite the "herro" accent
<2023-03-17T11:09:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: He's so incomprehensible that even when he speaks chinese the Chinese have trouble understanding. But he does apparently have a real give for bringing them to church. Go figure.
<2023-03-17T11:11:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: You'll look back on the situation in a year and hopefully get to laugh about it.
<2023-03-17T11:12:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: God willing
<2023-03-22T20:36:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Probably won't make it to your stream due to a combination of being on course and being sick. Hope it goes well though.
<2023-03-22T20:47:43.000Z> SuperLutheran: No worries man, pls pray I don't get the pitchfork and torches treatment lol
<2023-03-22T20:51:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Will do
<2023-03-22T22:18:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It might amuse you to know that I am currently sitting in a chair that Bonhoeffer once sat in.
<2023-03-22T22:41:18.000Z> SuperLutheran: Gross. Fart in it.
<2023-03-26T04:05:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, thanks for the feedback. Unrelated but do you have any commentaries on the Gospels you'd recommend?
<2023-03-26T11:45:01.000Z> SuperLutheran: Happy to help
<2023-03-26T11:46:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: When it comes to commentaries on the Gospels, I prefer to go to the Church Fathers collection. Augustine, Chrysostom on the crew are often a better check on me because they think outside the box.
<2023-03-26T21:02:07.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks, hopefully that ebook of Nicene and ante-nicene fathers writing has what I need
<2023-03-26T21:11:22.000Z> SuperLutheran: It certainly should. Typically their commentaries are also homilies
<2023-04-06T02:41:05.000Z> Crux_Invictus: what was that martial artist you mentioned again?
<2023-04-06T02:41:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: Cameron Quinn
<2023-04-06T02:44:08.000Z> SuperLutheran: I train in Kyokushin Karate, and some of the best martial artists of that style are from Australia - Cameron Quinn, Sam Greco, Judd Reid (especially that mad man, dude did a full 100-man kumite).
<2023-04-06T02:44:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Looks like he's a Queenslander so yeah nah a long long way away from me.
<2023-04-06T02:44:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: Dang lol
<2023-04-06T02:45:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've been thinking of giving strongman away and was looking at the different things in my city, I might see if there's any Kyokushin Karate places in town.
<2023-04-06T02:45:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah, this style didn't really take off that well in the states, but I'm very fortunate that my instructor has done it for 40 years. He learned under Mas Oyama's top student Shigeru.
<2023-04-06T02:45:44.000Z> SuperLutheran: It'll certainly make you a tough man, that's for sure.
<2023-04-06T02:45:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: Which honestly helps with ministry in my experience.
<2023-04-06T02:46:07.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Endurance and knowing how to fight will probably be more useful in ministry than lifting very heavy things
<2023-04-06T02:46:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hopefully they're cheap enough that I can afford it
<2023-04-06T02:46:49.000Z> SuperLutheran: I only pay $50/month for membership lol 
<2023-04-06T02:47:42.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's full contact except for punches to the face. When muay thai and kickboxing got big, it went by the wayside for everyone but those looking to get REALLY tough 
<2023-04-06T02:48:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: m.youtube.com/watch?v=ujkDhFRweYY
<2023-04-06T02:49:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Looks like there are a couple of Kyokushin places here, I'll see if I can narrow down who's serious and who's just for fun
<2023-04-06T02:49:49.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If all else fails it looks like Cameron's selling a training plan:
<2023-04-06T02:49:49.000Z> Crux_Invictus: budokarate.com/product/9-week-budo-blueprint-package/13?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false
<2023-04-06T02:51:02.000Z> SuperLutheran: Based
<2023-04-06T02:51:32.000Z> SuperLutheran: If both schools look like they aren't legit, let me know and I'll help you pay for Quinn's program
<2023-04-06T02:52:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: Heck, I can help you with class fees too if you need it.
<2023-04-06T02:53:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I appreciate it but I'd rather you keep your money for you and your family.
<2023-04-06T02:55:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: Aye, but the offer still stands if you change your mind fam. If I can help other guys in ministry, I'm always game
<2023-04-06T02:56:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: thank you
<2023-04-06T03:02:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: Of course man! It's what brothers in Christ are for 💪
<2023-04-06T03:10:31.000Z> Crux_Invictus: If Kyokushin isn't an option what'd be your second choice?
<2023-04-06T10:34:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: Kickboxing would be a decent plan b, but judo or wrestling also toughens guys up. I hesitate on grappling though because, unlike striking arts you can't really do it when you're old. Karate can be rough on the body. Freestyle wrestling? REALLY rough on the body. 
<2023-04-06T10:47:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: grappling will get me stabbed so I was leaning towards staying upright and striking
<2023-04-06T10:49:56.000Z> Crux_Invictus: My Maundy healing service went well praise God, had about 20 people come
<2023-04-06T10:50:01.000Z> SuperLutheran: Tfw u take someone down on the street but his buddy kicks u in the head in until you can't read anymore https://i.poastcdn.org/573b52b6f3ed23f15eb7110987744d4d5e4274449375b98e4c7c3f52cc7c3d11.jpg
<2023-04-06T10:50:13.000Z> SuperLutheran: Dude, awesome!
<2023-04-06T10:50:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's 5 times more than you predicted, man, God answers prayer!
<2023-04-06T10:52:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Indeed He does 
<2023-04-14T12:39:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thoughts on boxing? Looking at my options at the moment there's a boxing gym that fits the bill. My other options are hapkido or karate but not sure if it's Kyokushin also a bit more expensive than the boxing gym.
<2023-04-14T15:16:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: Boxing is an honorable White man's sport. I did it for a couple years, and there's no denying it's effective at fitness and self defense. Like Kyokushin, the emphasis on endurance will give you the mental clarity that greatly helps with ministry. But there is more risk for injuries to the head, so as with everything be careful lol
<2023-04-18T01:20:41.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Just on your last poast, fairly recently I just about got into a dust-up with a Pastor in my district. It was just after Synod and I mentioned what some of the laity were saying about the LCA Bishop and Assistant Bishop. To be fair to him the laity were not being nice but his response was to jump down my throat as if I was the one saying the comments.
<2023-04-18T01:21:46.000Z> Crux_Invictus: After this confrontation my funding request (this Pastor is on the committee that reviewed my request) got knocked back
<2023-04-18T01:22:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yep. The Lutheran Church has accidentally become Rome 2.0, and I for one want to see every one of these new sacerdotalists get shoved into a papist monastery where they belong.
<2023-04-18T01:23:11.000Z> SuperLutheran: Sorry to hear your funding request was pushed back. They're so allergic to questioning that they'd attack the messenger???
<2023-04-18T01:24:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: He was the only one who reacted strongly to it which I put down to him being very invested in women's ordination. One other person tried to do the whole "don't believe everything on the internet" and I had to explain what my point was in bringing up the comments
<2023-04-18T01:25:32.000Z> Crux_Invictus: We've made being against WO so dangerous that people can only speak freely about it anonymously on the internet, but they don't understand that.
<2023-04-18T01:27:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: In better news I'll be checking out the boxing gym on Thursday
<2023-04-18T01:28:30.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Considering getting a bag to use at home but that'll have to wait until I work out where I'll be living after the end of this month
<2023-04-18T01:31:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: Based
<2023-04-18T01:32:41.000Z> SuperLutheran: Being a strongman guy, you'll make an excellent boxer. Hard hitting
<2023-04-18T01:35:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That's my thinking, just really need to get the cardio up
<2023-04-18T01:35:23.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That and being dynamic is going to be a big change
<2023-04-18T01:40:58.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well Tyson Fury exists, so there's no denying you'll be able to make the adjustment like he did
<2023-04-18T01:46:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm just remembering seeing Eddie Hall boxing
<2023-04-18T01:46:32.000Z> Crux_Invictus: and that's what I envision (except I'm nowhere near as strong)
<2023-04-22T00:47:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm finally up to working on my Lord's Supper essay, somehow I need to expand "is means is" and "it's God that does it, I don't have to explain how" into ~2000 words
<2023-04-22T01:19:54.000Z> SuperLutheran: Easy: compare what Scripture says to the positions of Rome, the reformed, the baptists and the EO.
<2023-04-22T01:20:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm going to need you to not read my mind
<2023-04-22T01:21:15.000Z> SuperLutheran: There's also room for the autism the authors of the Formula of Concord get into on the topic, and why they don't deny a physical presence of Christ so much as they deny a carnal, local presence 
<2023-04-22T01:21:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've found a book which covers the Lutheran, Reformed, Baptist and RCC views. So I'm going to leverage that fairly heavily
<2023-04-22T01:22:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I might dig a bit deeper into the autism when I talk about why the Lord's Supper is important for a Christian's personal life and the public faith of the Church
<2023-04-22T01:27:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Am I right in understanding the Baptist view as the Zwinglian view?
<2023-04-22T01:29:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm not sure this book I've found is right, might have to find other sources
<2023-04-22T01:34:56.000Z> SuperLutheran: Zwingli had a weird, weird mystical view of it that was a massive cope with his symbolic view
<2023-04-22T01:35:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: He's as weird about it as calvin was
<2023-04-22T01:38:26.000Z> Crux_Invictus: People always go weird when they try to work out how exactly God does a thing
<2023-04-22T01:38:35.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yes lol
<2023-04-22T01:40:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Also, went to my first boxing class the other day (after helping a friend move house), boxing is a lot harder than I expected.
<2023-04-22T01:53:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: What was hard about it fam?
<2023-04-22T01:58:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Moving from a static lifting stance to something dynamic, punching with 16oz gloves, twisting the hips and staying balanced, stuff like that
<2023-04-22T02:11:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ah. Yeah, I went through that, but over time sticking with it means feeling fantastic every day
<2023-04-22T02:11:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: Cardio means feeling good more often lol
<2023-04-22T02:14:20.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah and as I go to more classes the movements which become more natural. I hope it doesn't take me long to get used to shadowboxing when I start doing it
<2023-04-22T02:45:51.000Z> SuperLutheran: Awesome. Keep up the good work brother!
<2023-04-25T12:45:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have you ever read any of Hermann Sasse's stuff?
<2023-04-25T14:14:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: Nope, not familiar with him unfortunately
<2023-04-25T22:54:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: From what little I've read from him he seems pretty solid, at least on the Lord's Supper.
<2023-04-26T21:02:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That a resolution talking about being cautious with the worlds morality precedes the "muh racism" stuff is hilarious
<2023-04-26T21:02:47.000Z> SuperLutheran: XD
<2023-04-26T21:04:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "we should be careful with worldly morality where it'll hurt out chances to gain more money and influence. But the safe stuff like telling White people they're evil, we're all for that"
<2023-04-26T22:10:15.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Here's a thought, if the LCMS is all about "one race, the human race", how do they justify not being in fellowship with people they're supposedly blood related to?
<2023-04-26T22:14:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Though I guess they'll say sin
<2023-04-26T22:15:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: *they'll say since racism is thinking one race is superior, not being in fellowship is different since they doctrine is wrong and ours is correct (superior)
<2023-04-27T01:53:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: As, like, gnostics, they have a hard time recognizing that flesh even exists lol
<2023-04-27T01:56:09.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yep, thanks for the stream earlier, though going through Job really stings for me at the moment. Have a safe trip and God bless.
<2023-04-27T01:57:20.000Z> SuperLutheran: Thanks man - Our Lord bless you, here's praying that everything gets easier for you.
<2023-05-02T11:41:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Was Corey actually excommunicated? I only saw him being banned and threatened with trespassing charges
<2023-05-02T12:24:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: His former church did a ceremony of excommunication this past Sunday.
<2023-05-02T12:24:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: Which of course isn't legitimate, but people are salivating over it nonetheless 
<2023-05-02T12:27:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Well in happier news, you remember that open letter I sent you a copy of? 80 or so pastors signed it and around 150 pastors are a part of this confessional group.
<2023-05-02T12:29:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Turns out the LCA has around 300 pastors on the books and half are ready to stick to their guns on WO
<2023-05-02T12:36:17.000Z> SuperLutheran: Excellent.
<2023-05-02T12:36:26.000Z> SuperLutheran: Pastor Riot, let's make it happen
<2023-05-02T12:44:03.000Z> Crux_Invictus: God willing, to be a fly on the wall when the college of bishops meet
<2023-05-02T12:46:06.000Z> SuperLutheran: Agreed
<2023-05-02T12:46:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: Australia kicking out the seminex 2 crowd, male an example of the fags again
<2023-05-02T12:46:40.000Z> SuperLutheran: *make lol
<2023-05-02T12:48:51.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I hope it leads to a confessional revival but I don't want to get ahead of myself, we're united against WO but there are other issues that will need to be addressed. Baby steps.
<2023-05-03T21:21:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I won't be able to make it to Bible study today, I hope it continues to go well.
<2023-05-03T21:48:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: No worries man, as always I'll post it on soundcloud
<2023-05-07T10:54:45.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So, on one hand I'll probably be couch surfing for a while, but on the other I'm meeting with the Bishop to hopefully kick off the process of becoming a specific ministry pastor.
<2023-05-07T11:58:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ooh, well if they send you to the states I've got better than a couch to offer
<2023-05-07T13:57:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hopefully by the time the stars if
<2023-05-07T13:58:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: *States will have gotten rid of the COVID vaccine requirement to enter the country
<2023-05-07T15:47:14.000Z> SuperLutheran: Should be around May 12th
<2023-05-07T16:29:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Praise God, if it's gotten rid of then maybe it's Sem in America after all. But I'll have to wait and see what He's got planned.
<2023-05-08T10:20:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: My meeting with the Bishop went well I think, still going to be looking at 1-4+ years before SMP may happen but at least that wheel is starting to turn.
<2023-05-08T14:44:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: Excellent. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help out
<2023-05-08T21:40:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate.
<2023-05-08T21:42:05.000Z> Crux_Invictus: You might get a chuckle out of this, one of the rentals I've applied for seems to be owned by someone who runs one of the karate groups around. Maybe I should've gone with karate instead of boxing since it might've come with a place to stay.
<2023-05-08T23:02:53.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well here's hoping your familiarity with it opens up some doors lol
<2023-05-08T23:05:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Would be nice, there's even places to hang boxing bags at that place.
<2023-05-08T23:07:43.000Z> SuperLutheran: I need to become a landlord. The United States needs Karate Apartments like you're seeing in Australia, and I'm ashamed that my country doesn't have them 
<2023-05-08T23:10:40.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Karate apartments and places for your Catacomb Synod workers to live.
<2023-05-08T23:11:33.000Z> SuperLutheran: A new breed of Lutheran monastery 😎
<2023-05-08T23:12:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What I would give for a live in seminary
<2023-05-09T12:03:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I got approved for that karate apartment place, praise God.
<2023-05-09T13:31:10.000Z> SuperLutheran: Excellent!
<2023-05-09T13:31:25.000Z> SuperLutheran: Let's hope that there's some cute girls there too so you can have double the blessing there
<2023-05-09T13:31:42.000Z> SuperLutheran: (and may our Lord grant that they're Lutheran, so blessing is there but not temptation lol)
<2023-05-09T13:39:42.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, here's hoping, that would make 2023 one heck of a year.
<2023-05-09T13:43:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Though God may be planning that to coincide with my ordination whenever that may be
<2023-05-09T20:37:52.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Any chance you could do a couple episodes on how to do pastoral care sometime down the track?
<2023-05-09T20:44:27.000Z> SuperLutheran: Yeah!
<2023-05-09T20:44:51.000Z> SuperLutheran: Shoot me an email in the coming week or so to remind me, and I'll see what I can do. 
<2023-05-09T20:45:01.000Z> SuperLutheran: A lot of it comes from being willing.
<2023-05-09T20:46:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks, yeah just being willing to be there is a big part. But also suppressing the instinct to provide solutions and just listen is also a big part I think
<2023-05-09T20:52:13.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I keep coming back to that "ministry of presence" concept
<2023-05-10T01:45:30.000Z> SuperLutheran: If by "ministry of presence" you mean how the pastor represents God to so most people, you're right. But remember that this is a two edged sword.
<2023-05-10T01:46:19.000Z> SuperLutheran: Look forward to the following dynamic, something that's become a private catchphrase of mine for years now. Don't share it with anyone unless they're going into the pastorate:
<2023-05-10T01:47:01.000Z> SuperLutheran: It is always "screw you, pastor," u til it becomes "help me pastor, I screwed up my life."
<2023-05-10T01:47:07.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Is it: "they crucified Jesus, don't think they'll treat you an better"?
<2023-05-10T01:47:18.000Z> Crux_Invictus: that too
<2023-05-10T01:47:28.000Z> Crux_Invictus: "I'm a genius!" > "OH NO"
<2023-05-10T01:47:38.000Z> SuperLutheran: It's how it goes with everyone under 65 years old. 
<2023-05-10T01:49:59.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I really hope I get to do some pastoral care units next semester. There's too much of the academic in me at the moment, which is alright for teaching theology but pretty useless when it comes to the shepherd part of shepherd-teacher
<2023-05-10T01:50:36.000Z> SuperLutheran: That's why vicarages are so derned important 
<2023-05-10T01:52:14.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It would be nice to only get thrown into the not-so-deep end to start with
<2023-05-10T01:53:34.000Z> SuperLutheran: Pray that you get an old hand as a mentor lol
<2023-05-10T01:54:52.000Z> SuperLutheran: My boss pastor during my vicarage was 60-62 years old, former polio victim, the man oozed the love of God wherever he went. But he was also sharp as a tack, so life under him was fantastic. He taught me to be shrewd.
<2023-05-10T01:55:23.000Z> SuperLutheran: Ministry for 40 years. That's the kind of guy you want to learn under. 
<2023-05-10T01:56:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: That would be perfect yeah
<2023-05-10T02:00:27.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It'll depend on how I get to that point, if I become an SMP first then that limits the pastors I could learn under and I'm not sure how the confessional/progressive/neutral split shakes out in this district. If I get to go through the whole journey to full pastor then I think I've got about a 50/50 chance of learning under a confessional pastor.
<2023-05-10T02:00:47.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This also assumes that the LCA doesn't get divorced between now and then
<2023-05-10T02:06:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm working on getting my name out there and getting to know different pastors. Sometimes it feels like I'm walking through a minefield though, already had a dust-up with one a while back (but we seem ok now I guess?) and made one uncomfortable until he listened to me a bit more and came around (I was talking about being careful not to disenfranchise our current congregations by focussing too much on immigrants)
<2023-05-19T00:23:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Has Ryan Turnipseed been thrown out of his church as well or not yet? 
<2023-05-19T00:47:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: I don't know 
<2023-05-19T00:47:29.000Z> SuperLutheran: I'm under the impression that he's leaving, given how much he's gone public today
<2023-05-19T01:16:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, looks like he has to choose whether to leave or be thrown out, neither are good options but getting thrown out might be preferred.
<2023-05-19T01:47:31.000Z> SuperLutheran: Trust me, leaving might be better
<2023-05-19T01:55:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Either way it'll be spun, but at least by getting kicked out they can't use him leaving as an admission of guilt 
<2023-05-19T01:56:09.000Z> SuperLutheran: Well maybe, either way it'll suck and I hope he goes to the right guys that'll have his back (us)
<2023-05-19T01:57:01.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Agreed, cant wait until the LCA follows suit