<2023-01-05T16:07:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: hey there, curious what your thoughts are on succession in monarchy like what the best way is? i find myself more and more inclined towards monarchy but am still pondering that one
<2023-01-05T22:52:17.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I'm inclined to say hereditary succession.
<2023-01-05T22:56:48.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Holy Roman Empire style, where a small elite votes on who gets to be the monarch can also ok, but it does have the disadvantage of a higher risk of infiltration than does a hereditary monarchy.
<2023-01-06T02:42:08.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right on. i think hereditary succession is probably best bet too with the implicit understanding the villagers can bring their pitchforks and torches on down to put a new guy in. 
<2023-01-06T02:42:55.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: I have found your hellthread posting to be very refreshing things can kinda get echo chamber like in these corners of the internet sometimes
<2023-01-06T02:52:13.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Hellthread posting?
<2023-01-06T02:52:56.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: In monarchist China, when a dynasty got too corrupt they'd be overthrown and replaced with a different family.
<2023-01-06T02:53:55.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I agree with the cycling of dynasties. Just like it is just to kill a verified rapist or murderer for the sake of society, it is also just to overthrow a corrupt government for the sake of society.
<2023-01-06T04:45:44.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah no kidding. oh i just meant i saw you going back and forth with people in threads pushing back on nazi stuff and it was refreshing to see. seems like you know your shit lol
<2023-01-06T04:57:44.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Oh. Yeah, I really wanted to figure out how to stop the NWO so I delved deeper than the nat soc stuff. I never was a nat soc.
<2023-01-06T05:03:21.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I went from being libertarian-ish to becoming a monarchist, realizing that when a significant portion of the population votes it’s very divisive and it requires an insanely high amount of trust because you have to trust that whoever counts the votes is not lying and that no one is using other ways to rig elections, along with the fact that monarchies have lasted for 1000 years and longer on a very consistent basis so they’re clearly something that is stable in the long-term.
<2023-01-06T05:16:20.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah i agree. historical precedence carries weight, also it would be nice to have a real leader. I had a very similar political journey im sort of a Christian monarchist now but i think having a government that actually has the peoples interests in mind opens the door for some social safety nets that my former libertarian self would not have liked to admit
<2023-01-06T06:01:59.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: People don’t need a ton of liberty, what they need is strong leadership and good morals. Of course there is a certain amount of liberty that is indeed a right, but still.
<2023-01-06T06:05:36.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right, liberty is interesting cause i want it for me and mine, but the plebs just misuse it to ruin society for everyone else
<2023-01-06T06:12:00.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Well all the liberty stuff is about, like I said, is just excuses for degeneracy.
<2023-01-06T06:13:15.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah unfortunately. seems like the original idea was to protect from tyranny but tyrannical forces just used it for their own purposes anyway
<2023-01-06T06:13:52.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Authoritarianism is the only viable option because people are very hierarchal species – they want somebody to tell them what to think, do, and say. Most people don’t really think for themselves very much and even more so for women than men. The original idea of liberty was not to protect from tyranny but to provide a foundation for tyranny to occur.
<2023-01-06T06:15:09.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i agree that was the ultimate outcome, but at least in the context of america i dont think it was intentend to lay a foundation for cultural decay. the founders were pretty explicit that liberty is for white people of moral character 
<2023-01-06T06:15:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: intention*
<2023-01-06T06:16:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: intentional lmao
<2023-01-06T06:18:01.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Even in America that is what the whole point of it was. The founding fathers were freemasons.
<2023-01-06T06:18:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: They just talked about things like that in order to look good.
<2023-01-06T06:18:36.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Freemasonry is a study of Judaism.
<2023-01-06T06:19:52.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah i could see that. i am sure there were some bad actors with ulterior motives idk if they all were in on it or not. convincing arguments on the surface
<2023-01-06T06:23:05.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: well hey if youre anywhere near the denver area id love to link up for coffee sometime and pick your brain, like i said you seem like a pretty knowledgeable interesting person
<2023-01-06T06:23:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: George Washington was a freemason, Thomas Jefferson was a freemason, and there were others too.
<2023-01-06T06:23:25.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: You’re in the Denver area?
<2023-01-06T06:23:37.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah i live near lakewood
<2023-01-06T06:25:32.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I live near Aurora.
<2023-01-06T06:25:50.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right on, what a small world lol
<2023-01-06T06:26:03.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: you busy this weekend?
<2023-01-06T06:26:31.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Unless you count going to church on Sunday as busy then no.
<2023-01-06T06:27:08.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: How old are you by the way? I’m guessing you’re probably either a millennial or a zoomer?
<2023-01-06T06:27:29.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah im 28
<2023-01-06T06:27:31.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: you?
<2023-01-06T06:28:45.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: 22.
<2023-01-06T06:29:40.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: cool cool, so you want to grab some drinks or food tomorrow after work?
<2023-01-06T06:29:59.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: 23 in like 5 months.
<2023-01-06T06:30:39.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I could go for a water, but unfortunately I don’t have a drivers license because the DMV wants me to fill out a form before they’ll give me one and my dad is out of town but he’ll be back Saturday morning he said.
<2023-01-06T06:31:03.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I can ask him if he can give me a ride to wherever soon.
<2023-01-06T06:31:21.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The DMV wants a doctor to fill out most of that form but there is a part for me to fill out too.
<2023-01-06T06:32:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: for sure DMV stuff always sucks. i mean i have a car i could pick you up if you want but all good whatever you want to do, i also dont know of any good spots that side of town, but i imagine it wont be too hard to find a place that serves water lol
<2023-01-06T06:34:32.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I don’t know the area very well because I’m not really from here in since I moved here I haven’t really gotten out much.
<2023-01-06T06:34:48.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: So I think you’ll have to be in charge of ideas.
<2023-01-06T06:34:58.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i can manage that
<2023-01-06T06:39:04.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i am heading off to bed gotta be up early for work, but i will hit you up tomorrow and we can figure something out
<2023-01-06T06:39:35.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Looking at the map of the Denver area common it looks like the halfway point between us is Englewood.
<2023-01-06T06:40:02.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: So you could try to look for somewhere there for the sake of mutual convenience.
<2023-01-06T06:40:29.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Alrighty. Sleep well.
<2023-01-06T06:48:05.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Twin Lakes looks like another halfway point.
<2023-01-06T07:57:49.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: What denomination are you?
<2023-01-06T08:19:05.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And what is your job anyway?
<2023-01-06T08:24:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I’m guessing that you’re a road engineer given your user ID?
<2023-01-06T15:38:44.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: im non-denominational. nah i work as a anti money laundering analyst. as far as my username i took some time off the internet after being kicked off facebook, but back then i was more of a lolbert/ancap type and would always end up saying i  will build the damn roads, but now i would hypothetically only build them roads for a white nation lol. have you ever been to the aquarium?
<2023-01-06T16:06:05.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Oh.
<2023-01-06T16:07:41.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That I can remember? I don’t think so. I don’t know, maybe my dad took me when I was little but then I forgot.
<2023-01-06T16:08:00.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Have you ever wondered about how Western Civilization came to be?
<2023-01-06T16:08:00.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i went to school for biochemical engineering but i was miserable so just got a business degree and got out of academica as quick as possible. wanna go this evening or tomorrow? 
<2023-01-06T16:08:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I would prefer to go when my dad is in town because I want to be able to run to him if anything happens.
<2023-01-06T16:09:12.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I never met you and I just wanna be cautious because I’m a cautious person.
<2023-01-06T16:09:15.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: totally understand
<2023-01-06T16:09:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: internet has lots of weirdos and what not
<2023-01-06T16:10:09.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: but yeah i mean didnt you say hed be back tomorrow morning? we could meet up at the aquarium sometime mid day
<2023-01-06T16:10:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Yeah he did say that he’ll be back tomorrow morning, and I’ll have to talk to him to see if he’ll be willing to take me somewhere on Saturday or if you want a day or two to get unpacked or something.
<2023-01-06T16:11:35.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I think Tuesday might work if not tomorrow.
<2023-01-06T16:13:13.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ok sounds good just let me know my schedule is pretty much all open. tuesday is supposed to be beautiful too like high 50s  
<2023-01-06T16:15:45.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And I do want to make it clear that if you’re interested in me as more than a friend then I don’t do casual dating, I will not consent to fornication and I will the cops for rape if you try to force it on me, and I can’t marry anyone who is not a sedevacantist.
<2023-01-06T16:17:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And there is no amount of dates you could bring me on or anything else you could do that would make me consent to fornication.
<2023-01-06T16:18:11.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I say this because you seem to be pretty interested me.
<2023-01-06T16:21:21.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: understood haha well i am just looking for like minded people to be friends with IRL. if there is chemistry and i enjoy your company then i guess we could go from there about something more than platonic way down the line, but for the most part i just want more people in my life who arent braindead. 
<2023-01-06T16:22:07.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: also i think vatican II is a load of hogwash so i think we will probably get along well
<2023-01-06T16:24:10.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I just wanted to mention that because I know that guys if they’re interested in a girl will often ask her she wants to go out for coffee and things like that in order to get to know her better before like officially asking her out.
<2023-01-06T16:26:05.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I also want to make clear that I’m really sick of folks lying to impress me and wasting my time because of that. I hate lack of transparency.
<2023-01-06T16:28:24.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: for sure thanks for being up front. Ya youre right i just dont really want to put the cart before the horse or anything here, maybe i will be interested maybe i wont hard to say, either way i think we could have some cool conversations plus i havent been to the aquarium since a 6th grade field trip. 
<2023-01-06T16:35:55.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Do you like to read?
<2023-01-06T16:36:03.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i do
<2023-01-06T16:36:22.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: What are your favorite subjects to read about?
<2023-01-06T16:38:18.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i used to read a lot of heavy sci-fi. now a days i mostly read manga and the occasional history or philosophy book if i am feeling like sharpening up my noodle 
<2023-01-06T16:39:23.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I think lately when I did read a physical book it was mostly about health-related things. I usually go for online reading. It’s easier for me to pay attention to for some reason.
<2023-01-06T16:40:13.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Lately I haven’t really been doing much of it besides like reading posts and things like that because I’m kind of aimless.
<2023-01-06T16:40:56.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right on. ya me either. i am very slowly working my way through mein kampf right now cause i just dont know enough about that stuff 
<2023-01-06T16:41:39.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i am curious though not trying to be an antagonist or anything, but when you say the germans violated the rechskonkordat you are talking about the enabling act that ended the rule of the weimar repulic right?
<2023-01-06T16:44:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Lemme show you.
<2023-01-06T16:45:13.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: im curious how that is a betrayal of the catholic church. like i said i dont know very much, but as far as i can tell it was a four year act that made it so the parilment couldnt grid lock the chancellor and that they would no longer be beholden to the old weimar system
<2023-01-06T16:45:20.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat#Violations
<2023-01-06T16:46:27.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: closing catholic instituitions that are not strictly religous sounds to me like closing catholic charities that fund immigration and other stuff like that
<2023-01-06T16:48:00.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: From Wikipedia: “Nazi violations of the concordat commenced almost immediately after it was signed. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.”
<2023-01-06T16:48:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here’s another link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
<2023-01-06T16:49:26.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And another one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecutions_of_the_Catholic_Church_and_Pius_XII#Germany
<2023-01-06T16:51:14.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right i get your point. i guess i just would like to know more details, like how were they interfereing what were they doing. it sounds to me maybe it was like a cleaning house type thing? like that article says "leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality"" im curious what those immoralities were
<2023-01-06T16:53:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: furthermore, if you believe the pope's seat is vacant, wouldnt this church that the nazis were being mean to not really have any moral claim to authority anyway
<2023-01-06T16:53:27.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Nazis thought that Catholicism is immoral because the Catholic Church does not approve of a totalitarian state.
<2023-01-06T16:53:58.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Catholicism is against a state that puts the state first instead of the Catholic Church first.
<2023-01-06T16:54:32.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Without a pope the Catholic Church still has a moral claim to authority.
<2023-01-06T16:55:00.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Nazis also opposed to Catholicism because Catholicism is against the neopagan stuff that they were promoting.
<2023-01-06T16:55:01.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: more than the orthodox?
<2023-01-06T16:56:20.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Absolutely.
<2023-01-06T16:56:45.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The thing is, our Lord, Jesus, founded the Catholic Church whereas the orthodox church just split off arbitrarily.
<2023-01-06T16:57:10.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: There’s nothing really orthodox about the orthodox if you actually look at their history and theology.
<2023-01-06T16:57:22.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i could see it being the other way around 
<2023-01-06T16:58:05.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Their theology is doublethink so it can’t be the other way around even just from a logical perspective.
<2023-01-06T16:58:22.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=WCURDSRz6D0
<2023-01-06T16:59:02.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That video talks about the history of the orthodox and it talks about their theology a little bit and it also has sources to prove it.
<2023-01-06T16:59:49.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It may be from folks who do cringeposting at times, but that video is very objective.
<2023-01-06T17:00:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: hmm right on. either way, i dont think that all of the ideas of national socialism should be thrown out the window just cause they had some moral shortcomings
<2023-01-06T17:04:53.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: There’s nothing wrong with having a White hat no stay in a White country with burning books about LGBT stuff, but national socialism should not be credited with those ideas.
<2023-01-06T17:05:45.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Catholic Church wouldn’t have much of a problem with burning books about LGBT stuff and Saint Joan of Arc was a pretty anti-multicultural saint.
<2023-01-06T17:07:42.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: today they wouldnt?
<2023-01-06T17:08:58.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Yeah, the Catholic Church has always remained the same.
<2023-01-06T17:09:30.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The only difference now is that the Vatican has been conquered just like how churches in Turkey are now mosques because they were conquered.
<2023-01-06T17:10:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: what the church ought to be and the church is in reality is an important distinction
<2023-01-06T17:23:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Not really because otherwise you’re calling Jesus a liar.
<2023-01-06T17:26:55.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus said that the gates of hell would never prevail against His Church, but He never said that there wouldn’t be anyone who conquers the building of the Vatican and founds a new religion that’s distinct from the one of the Church which He founded.10:26 
<2023-01-06T17:27:08.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: in fact – have you heard of the whore of Babylon?
<2023-01-06T17:28:15.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ok than what the church ought to be, one that the gates of hell never prevail against, is different than what the catholic church is in reality, a church that occupys the vatican and is a different religion that just calls itself the catholic church. 
<2023-01-06T17:28:17.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yes i have
<2023-01-06T17:28:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Catholic Church hasn’t occupied the Vatican in decades.
<2023-01-06T17:29:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yup 
<2023-01-06T17:31:04.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: As you can see in this link, the Vatican II church looks suspiciously like the whore of Babylon : http://www.catholic-saints.net/whore-of-babylon/
<2023-01-06T17:31:32.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ima a sola fida sola scritupra Christian. So i believe that Christ's actual church dwells within us through the holy spirit 
<2023-01-06T17:34:59.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That’s not biblical.
<2023-01-06T17:36:08.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A24&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T17:36:38.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: k hold on i need context
<2023-01-06T17:36:40.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: james 2
<2023-01-06T17:37:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+21%3A25&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T17:37:49.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: james 2 is talking about dead faith
<2023-01-06T17:38:59.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: that kind of faith cant save anyone
<2023-01-06T17:39:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It’s saying that faith without works is dead and that it’s not Faith by itself that gets us into heaven but more specifically it is a combination of faith and good works that gets us into heaven.
<2023-01-06T17:39:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: you’re right dead faith can’t save anyone but faith without works is dead faith.
<2023-01-06T17:40:02.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: real faith in the Lord would be demonstrated and shown by good works correct
<2023-01-06T17:40:12.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Which means that if your face is real then you have to do good works and that combination of faith and good works gets us to heaven .
<2023-01-06T17:40:41.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I suck at remembering names, but do you remember that one dude in the Bible who God told to kill his own son and the dude was actually about to do it?
<2023-01-06T17:41:24.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That dude was ready to show God not just with his words but with his actions that he’s serious, and God demands that we do the same.
<2023-01-06T17:42:48.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: no if your faith is real than you will do good works to please our Lord. the works are downstream from a person who genuinely wants to live for the Lord. the works do not get you into heaven. that same chapter says the person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God's laws. Therefore, there is nothing in and of ourselves we can do to maintain the whole of God's law and the only way we can get to heaven or have a relationship with God is through the 
<2023-01-06T17:43:04.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: free gift of salvation offered to us be Jesus' sacrafice on the cross
<2023-01-06T17:44:51.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: Yes, God told Abraham to kill Issac and his faith was so strong he was willing to go through with an action that seemed very unjust due to his profound faith in God. As we worship a benevolent God he stopped him before killing his son
<2023-01-06T17:46:37.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Check out this: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/a-quick-ten-step-refutation-of-sola-scriptura
<2023-01-06T17:46:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It includes a bunch of Bible verses and goes over them.
<2023-01-06T17:47:46.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i will go through each one of these if you want but you cant just throw 20 bible verses out of context at me. do you have anything to respond to what i said before we started talking about abraham and issac?
<2023-01-06T17:49:12.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: We are all sinners but that doesn’t mean that someone who at least tries to follow God‘s law is equivalent to someone who doesn’t try at all.
<2023-01-06T17:49:49.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: What Jesus did with His sacrifice on the cross was he opened the gates to heaven to mankind.
<2023-01-06T17:50:14.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, which is why we don’t do animal sacrifices anymore.
<2023-01-06T17:50:16.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: God is a perfect being. In order for us to have any kind of real relationship with him we must also be perfect. we are all sinners. so like James 2 says a man who breaks one law is as guilty as a man who breaks all of the law
<2023-01-06T17:50:41.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: therefore there is nothing in and of ourselves we could do to earn a relationship with God
<2023-01-06T17:50:53.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: We don’t need to do animal sacrifices because Jesus sacrificing himself made it unnecessary as God the Father couldn’t ask for a greater sacrifice.
<2023-01-06T17:51:06.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: So you believe that Jesus is God?
<2023-01-06T17:51:08.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yes
<2023-01-06T17:51:22.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: OK, then we agree on that.
<2023-01-06T17:52:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: so without accepting what God did for us on the cross, attone for all of our sins, there is no way to pass through the gates of heaven through good works 
<2023-01-06T17:54:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: no matter how good of a person you are if you break one law ever in your whole life you are the same as someone who as broken all the laws, in God's eyes
<2023-01-06T17:54:27.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+John+5%3A16-17&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T17:54:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: As you can see in that last Bible verse that I posted, not all sins are equal.
<2023-01-06T17:55:27.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: He who breaks all of the laws of God and he who breaks only one of the laws of God are the same in that they’re both sinners, but obviously the degree to which they’re sinners is not the same.
<2023-01-06T17:56:38.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: in God's eyes they are both sinners. unclean and unworthy of the kingdom. 
<2023-01-06T17:57:09.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: only through Christ's forgiveness may we be seen as his redeemed children and not as sinners
<2023-01-06T17:57:26.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Judas’ sin was worse than Pontius Pilate’s: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19%3A11&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T17:59:12.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ok even if i were to grant you that there are degrees of sin the problem is that there is nothing in and of ourselves we can about it we are sinful beings. only by repenting and surrending to God may we be counted amongst the righteous. Not by how much good stuff we do
<2023-01-06T18:01:19.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It is true that repentance is necessary.
<2023-01-06T18:02:17.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: I am actually studying Hebrews 7:11-28 right now. pretty interesting passage and kinda relevant to what we were talking about earlier
<2023-01-06T18:02:39.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It is by a combination of the good stuff that one does and faithful repentance that one gets to heaven.
<2023-01-06T18:03:07.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i think you are idolizing your good works above the greatest work that God perfomed for us
<2023-01-06T18:07:26.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: I just think you are making an arrogant mistake thinking you can do good works to get into heaven. I could be the most righteous person in the world feeding the poor or something, but that will not get me into heaven as we stated earlier we are all sinners. The only thing that can get you into heaven is faith in Christ's attonement on the cross. If you truly have that kind of faith then you will perform good works because that is what God wants us to do. not because we will get a prize for it 
<2023-01-06T18:07:47.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Obviously our Lord and Our Lady on exception to having to work for salvation as they’re both immaculate.
<2023-01-06T18:08:47.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Check out this: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A26&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T18:09:22.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: yeah i know thats what i just said. If you truly have faith in God you will be doing good works
<2023-01-06T18:09:39.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: not if you truly do good works than your faith wont be dead
<2023-01-06T18:10:14.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: it’s a combination of faith and works, not one or the other, that gets us into heaven.
<2023-01-06T18:11:10.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ok whatever, i am excited to see how you earn your way to heaven with all your good deeds. so youre telling me you idolize mary too?
<2023-01-06T18:11:24.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galations+5%3A6&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T18:11:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I respect her and I venerate her but that is not because she’s an idol, rather because she set a good example.
<2023-01-06T18:12:22.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: in fact, the whole point of God making Our Lady immaculate is so that she’s set a perfect example of how a woman should be.
<2023-01-06T18:12:33.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ya i do the same with Hitler in the context of politik. he set a good example of how to deal with a degenerate state
<2023-01-06T18:12:48.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus sets a perfect example of how a man should be.
<2023-01-06T18:12:50.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i dont know what venerate means but i respect him
<2023-01-06T18:13:21.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Replacing one degenerate state with another isn’t exactly setting a good example politically.
<2023-01-06T18:13:24.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: really? does it say that in scripture that Mary is the *perfect* example of how a woman should be 
<2023-01-06T18:14:09.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: To venerate someone means to honor them.
<2023-01-06T18:14:56.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: well youre talking about degrees of sin. the catholic church that were being persecuted for "immorality" (probably pedo stuff) seems like a worse sin then honoring your own tribe 
<2023-01-06T18:15:30.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here’s a whole list of Bible verses regarding Our Lady’s immaculacy: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/the-immaculate-conception-in-scripture
<2023-01-06T18:16:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: There’s a difference between honoring your own tribe and promoting neopaganism and persecuting the Church that Jesus founded.
<2023-01-06T18:16:46.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: God said that He’s a jealous god and He doesn’t like anybody worshiping anyone besides Him.
<2023-01-06T18:17:15.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: thats not the church that Jesus founded though that was the occupiers by the same name
<2023-01-06T18:18:32.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus knew that the apostles were only mortal and that they would need successors so that once they died, His Church wouldn’t die with them. 
<2023-01-06T18:18:54.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: wow this is so relevant to that passage in Hebrews i was just telling you about 
<2023-01-06T18:18:58.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: one second
<2023-01-06T18:19:30.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: Hebrews 8:24
<2023-01-06T18:19:48.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: and 25 really
<2023-01-06T18:20:12.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Uh, no results found.
<2023-01-06T18:20:33.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: no results found for Hebrews 8:24-28?
<2023-01-06T18:20:38.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i will get you a link
<2023-01-06T18:20:50.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: sorry 7
<2023-01-06T18:20:52.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: chapter 7
<2023-01-06T18:21:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Yeah, Hebrews 8 isn’t that long.
<2023-01-06T18:22:52.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus does have the ability to forgive sins, being God and all.
<2023-01-06T18:23:11.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: death prevented the many priests from living forever But Jesus lives forever, his priesthood lasts forever. Therefore, he is able once and forever to save those who come to God through him.
<2023-01-06T18:23:30.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: He lives forever to intercede with God on thier behalf
<2023-01-06T18:23:38.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: He is the kind of high priest we need
<2023-01-06T18:25:20.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus gave the apostles the authority to forgive sins: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+20%3A20-23&version=DRA
<2023-01-06T18:26:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That authority is maintained by their successors.
<2023-01-06T18:26:09.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: hold up. so why do we "need successors so that once they died, His Church wouldn’t die with them." ? how could his Church die if Christ is the priest who lives forever to intercede with God on our behalf?
<2023-01-06T18:27:49.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: You’re right, Jesus‘ Church cannot die and Jesus made sure of that, but Jesus wasn’t planning on staying on earth continuously so without Him around He had to have somebody to fill-in for His absence, and He did so with the apostles.
<2023-01-06T18:28:15.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: I thought that is why he gifted us with the Holy Spirit.
<2023-01-06T18:28:24.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Peter the apostle in particular filled in for Jesus in His absence the most because Jesus selected him to do so.
<2023-01-06T18:28:44.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The spirit of Jesus’ church is indeed the Holy Spirit.
<2023-01-06T18:29:12.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: Jesus the son ascended to heaven leaving the Holy Spirit with us. the Holy Spirit is just as much God as the Son or the Father. God never left us
<2023-01-06T18:29:51.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus did ascend into heaven. That’s part of the Apostles’ Creed.
<2023-01-06T18:30:21.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Holy Spirit is indeed just as much God as God the Father and God the Son.
<2023-01-06T18:31:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It’s good that you can see that God is a Trinity. Not everyone realizes that.
<2023-01-06T18:32:13.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: have you ever listened to the Godcast?
<2023-01-06T18:32:22.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus knew that people would need The guidance of authority figures, like the apostles, in order for them to maintain faith. Remember, most people don’t think for themselves and the closest thing you get to that is basically just interpreting things in a way that is convenient for their tastes.
<2023-01-06T18:33:14.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: So with Jesus having ascended into heaven, he had to have someone else take his place as far as leading his church and forgiving sins and whatnot.
<2023-01-06T18:34:37.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I don’t know if I’ve seen GodCast or if I just heard of it or if I’m thinking of something else.
<2023-01-06T18:36:23.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: But I do know, however, is that if you want to learn about how Catholicism is the only fully biblical faith then there’s actually a church in Wheat Ridge where are you can you go to inquire about that and they’d be willing to teach you.
<2023-01-06T18:37:00.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And if you do choose to go there, it would be interesting to see what do you think of the Latin mass.
<2023-01-06T18:37:45.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: sure sure
<2023-01-06T18:38:40.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That church has a website that says both the address of the church in question and also the weekly schedule of that church: https://ourladyofthesnow.net/schedule.php
<2023-01-06T18:41:09.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Do you wanna go there and maybe explain to the priest that you were Protestant was told that Catholicism is the only fully biblical faith and that you want to hear the Catholic arguments for that?
<2023-01-06T18:43:08.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It would give you a more complete picture of the Catholic versus Protestant to debste and it might clear up some confusion and/or misunderstandings. If you know both sides, their arguments, and whatever they may say to back up their stance then maybe you could learn something useful. Ya know?
<2023-01-06T18:43:42.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I also have the priest’s number if you want to text him.
<2023-01-06T18:45:29.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: Sure i am always open to philisocial discussions and discernment. i am tangentially familiar with the Catholic position
<2023-01-06T18:46:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Personally, it took me about a year of research and debate before I bothered to try becoming a sedevacantist.
<2023-01-06T18:47:04.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: for example on the website " past infallible teachings of the Catholic Church." i thought the Catholic Church teaches of the Popes non-temporal authority
<2023-01-06T18:47:55.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The Catholic Church teaches that the pope cannot err in matters of faith and or/morals.
<2023-01-06T18:48:18.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And that’s what papal in fallibility is.
<2023-01-06T18:48:34.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: but doesnt the pope now a days not do the latin mass stuff
<2023-01-06T18:49:17.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: That dude is in a pope because he’s not even Catholic.
<2023-01-06T18:50:28.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: the pope is not even catholic huh. wild. 
<2023-01-06T18:50:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The thing is, all that is built upon it is a different set of doctrine from Catholicism. Sedevacantists don’t reject Vatican II because they personally prefer the Latin mass or some other petty reason, they reject Vatican II because it teaches a different doctrine.
<2023-01-06T18:51:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Imagine if there was a Muslim who thought that Muhammad was not a prophet. Would you think that this person is a Muslim?
<2023-01-06T18:51:32.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: ok so how did Vatican II ever become a thing in the first place if the pope cannot err in matters of faith
<2023-01-06T18:52:26.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: The answer to that question is a very long and elaborate one so I’ll try to think of a shorter way to explain it to you.
<2023-01-06T18:54:04.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: So first of all let’s establish exactly when this started.
<2023-01-06T18:55:03.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Vatican II took place from 1962 to 1965, and it was started by a dude who called himself pope John XXIII. A dude who called himself Pope Paul VI picked up where he left off and finished the council.
<2023-01-06T18:55:31.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: John the XXIII started claiming to be pope in 1958.
<2023-01-06T18:57:40.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: what made John's claim to be pope illigetimate ?
<2023-01-06T18:58:24.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Well, for starters the fact that he taught public heresy in the form of Vatican II.
<2023-01-06T18:58:46.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: did he do that after being ordained as pope by the church?
<2023-01-06T18:58:53.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: and even without that, it’s actually questionable that he ever was pope to begin with because we have evidence that someone else was elected pope and that they had chosen a name and everything but that they were blackmailed into resigning.
<2023-01-06T18:59:12.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: https://novusordowatch.org/2016/10/smoke-signals-White-smoke-1958/
<2023-01-06T19:00:04.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Popes are not ordained as popes, they are elected by either Cardinals or Bishops depending on what era in Church history you’re talking about.
<2023-01-06T19:00:37.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: and would you say anyone elected pope was done so by the will of God
<2023-01-06T19:01:34.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: If the election is valid then yes. After all, it was Jesus who founded the papacy to begin with.
<2023-01-06T19:03:00.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: this is where you are losing me. God allowed this John the XXIII to be elected pope of his church. pope John the XXIII cannot err in matters of faith. therefore, Vatican II cannot neccesarily be considered heresy 
<2023-01-06T19:06:03.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: soundcloud.com/verylutheran/hebrews-study-pt14
<2023-01-06T19:06:36.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: 20 min chat about priesthood and salvation by Grace 
<2023-01-07T04:31:11.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I really doubt that he was ever validly elected pope. It’s not really valid to bully someone into resigning from being a pope.
<2023-01-07T04:32:06.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: John XXIII did err in matters of faith and morals because he promoted anti-Catholic doctrine. Papal infallibility does not grant popes to contradict previous popes in matters of faith and/or morals.
<2023-01-07T04:32:37.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Vatican II is definitely heresy because it teaches things that the Church condemned.
<2023-01-07T04:45:40.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Truth is unchangeable.
<2023-01-07T04:47:07.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here you can see examples of how Vatican II contradicts Catholic doctrine: https://www.holyromancatholicchurch.org/heresies.html
<2023-01-07T15:45:17.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: i just think the pope is a man and men are fallible. 
<2023-01-07T15:47:24.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Jesus was and still is a man too, you know.
<2023-01-07T15:49:17.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+16%3A15-20&version=DRA
<2023-01-07T15:54:43.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: A pope can make fallible the statements but he cannot do so in his public teachings regarding faith and morals.
<2023-01-07T15:58:16.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I think that Jesus established the papacy for a reason. It doesn’t make sense to establish it if a pope is going to be fallible even regarding matters of faith and morals. If a pope is fallible regarding matters of faith and morals then what’s the point? His leadership doesn’t really have any value because you can’t trust that he is actually correct on those topics.
<2023-01-07T15:58:39.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: But as you and I both know, God is perfect so He doesn’t make mistakes.
<2023-01-07T16:01:28.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: It goes against reason for God to establish the papacy, which He obviously did with intent to guide people in the right direction regarding matters of face and morals. It goes against reason for Jesus, who we both know is God, to establish the papacy if popes do not possess papal infallibility.
<2023-01-07T16:04:48.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: And have you noticed how in the Bible Jesus refers to his followers as “sheep“ or some variant thereof? I could be wrong about this, but I have suspicions that He may have used that terminology because people really are like sheep – they mindlessly look up to a leader, and God knows this because He’s all-knowing, and when Jesus said to Saint Peter the apostle “feed my sheep“, it’s pretty clear that He was saying to lead His followers in His place while He’s in heaven.
<2023-01-07T16:07:52.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I know that I’m definitely not wrong that when Jesus told Saint Peter the apostle to “feed my sheep” that He was saying to fill in for Him while he’s in heaven. It’s the part about why Jesus used the specific terminology of “sheep” and some variant thereof that I may be wrong about.
<2023-01-07T16:08:21.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: A pope is to Jesus as a substitute teacher is to a teacher. Without papal infallibility, a pope can’t really fill-in for Jesus while He’s gone.
<2023-01-08T05:02:39.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: I asked my dad if he’s free on Tuesday after work.
<2023-01-08T14:07:42.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: right on, i actually had something come up on Tuesday but i can do something thursday if you want to
<2023-01-08T15:27:26.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: My dad said that Thursday would probably work.
<2023-01-08T15:51:25.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: shoot
<2023-01-08T15:51:44.000Z> RhodesianRoadEngineer: we will figure out a time eventually lol no rush
<2023-01-08T19:08:59.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: How does Thursday at somewhere between 6:30 and 7:00 PM sound?
<2023-01-08T19:09:32.000Z> Lady_Euromutt@nicecrew.digital: Probably closer to 7:00-7:30 PM if we meet at a halfway point.