<2022-09-14T16:30:48.000Z> Mackiavelli13: I have to go to the doctors but I'll explain why I said that about the extradition 
<2022-09-14T18:22:01.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Just came back and It's because that I think that lucas used his computer for the swatting 
<2022-09-14T19:37:14.000Z> clairebere: Oh I see, do the cops still have his computer?
<2022-09-14T19:37:48.000Z> Mackiavelli13: No but I did my little research 
<2022-09-14T19:38:06.000Z> Mackiavelli13: The wording in the police statement is very specific 
<2022-09-14T19:41:45.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Everyone that go swatted or had police go to them was from burner phones 
<2022-09-14T19:42:06.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But not Lucas it was a email to the city hall of London Ontario 
<2022-09-14T19:42:33.000Z> Mackiavelli13: And it said that Lucas was going to try to shoot them or something 
<2022-09-14T19:42:44.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But they use a email lol that was dumb
<2022-09-14T19:50:42.000Z> Mackiavelli13 attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/1cf16d374fb876d80fdb630bb65b3a7d579152768b86d13d63a6cbf64ab237fa.jpg
<2022-09-14T19:50:56.000Z> Mackiavelli13: there if you want to read it and tell me what you think 
<2022-09-14T19:52:51.000Z> clairebere: Okay so it sounds like there were multiple rounds to this gayop
<2022-09-14T19:53:21.000Z> clairebere: Threatening Emails sent to city hall officials from someone claiming to be Lucas
<2022-09-14T19:53:30.000Z> clairebere: Then two 911 calls
<2022-09-14T19:53:33.000Z> Mackiavelli13: yeah the issue is when they state releasing him right away they don't mention that they kept his computer 
<2022-09-14T19:53:41.000Z> Mackiavelli13: From city hall 
<2022-09-14T19:53:46.000Z> Mackiavelli13: The calls
<2022-09-14T19:54:07.000Z> clairebere: Yeah it says "all her belongings have been returned"
<2022-09-14T19:54:14.000Z> Mackiavelli13: None of the other swattings lately were sent by email 
<2022-09-14T19:54:23.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But not the same day 
<2022-09-14T19:54:32.000Z> Mackiavelli13: they kept his computer for 12 hours
<2022-09-14T19:54:56.000Z> clairebere: That seems reasonable to determine that the emails didn't originate from that PC
<2022-09-14T19:55:21.000Z> Mackiavelli13: and made copies of his hard drive . I don't know when he left Canada but I think it's 2 or 3 days after this statement
<2022-09-14T19:55:52.000Z> clairebere: Where does it say they made copies of his hard drive
<2022-09-14T19:56:02.000Z> Mackiavelli13: They do that 
<2022-09-14T19:56:18.000Z> Mackiavelli13: They wouldn't have the time to run thru everything in 12 hours
<2022-09-14T19:56:29.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Because if you call them 
<2022-09-14T19:56:42.000Z> Mackiavelli13: they give no info because there's a on going investigation
<2022-09-14T19:57:01.000Z> Mackiavelli13: they wouldn't try to scare him if they don't have enough to with hold his passport
<2022-09-14T19:57:06.000Z> Mackiavelli13: but he left to Ireland 
<2022-09-14T19:57:14.000Z> Mackiavelli13: and there's no Extradition 
<2022-09-14T19:57:22.000Z> clairebere: 12 hours is probably enough to determine if he sent the emails or not
<2022-09-14T19:57:52.000Z> clairebere: And a search warrant wouldn't have the scope to look for anything else 
<2022-09-14T19:58:10.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But he left to Ireland
<2022-09-14T19:58:19.000Z> clairebere: Assuming that Canada has laws against unreasonable search and seizure like the US does
<2022-09-14T19:58:35.000Z> Mackiavelli13: or a bias
<2022-09-14T19:58:53.000Z> clairebere: They can't just go on a fishing expedition in the hard drives 
<2022-09-14T19:59:15.000Z> clairebere: My feeling is they don't have them or copies of them
<2022-09-14T19:59:18.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Well if it's alleged that he did threats 
<2022-09-14T20:00:12.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Thing his there's not only that someone did have issues with Lucas before and he was in the system as  Lucas as well 
<2022-09-14T20:00:32.000Z> Mackiavelli13: You are probably right but if they would've looked 
<2022-09-14T20:00:38.000Z> Mackiavelli13: 5 minutes
<2022-09-14T20:01:07.000Z> clairebere: Could be anything, even an unpaid parking ticket or speeding before his name change
<2022-09-14T20:01:35.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Did you ever read the tread on KF about him ?
<2022-09-14T20:02:03.000Z> clairebere: Yeah I don't recall if his previous charges were in there 
<2022-09-14T20:02:41.000Z> Mackiavelli13: I'll have to check but I don't get how you can leave the country after something like that 
<2022-09-14T20:02:44.000Z> Mackiavelli13: the same week 
<2022-09-14T20:03:50.000Z> clairebere: If you aren't being charged with anything they have no reason to hold what looks like a swatting victim or restricting their movement
<2022-09-14T20:04:22.000Z> Mackiavelli13: yeah 
<2022-09-14T20:04:34.000Z> Mackiavelli13: They don't know the rest and wont look into it as well 
<2022-09-14T20:04:38.000Z> clairebere: Personally I think keffals went to Ireland because they wanted a vacation for free and/or to shack up with that Ellen person hosting them
<2022-09-14T20:05:08.000Z> Mackiavelli13: yeah that 100k wasn't it to sue the cops lol 
<2022-09-14T20:05:28.000Z> clairebere: Yes
<2022-09-14T20:05:43.000Z> Mackiavelli13: haha damn 
<2022-09-14T20:07:14.000Z> clairebere: I know people want the cops to go after Lucas for CP etc but even if they found some I don't think they could charge him
<2022-09-14T20:07:35.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Me too
<2022-09-14T20:07:42.000Z> clairebere: When a warrant is for a specific scope they cannot go looking for other things
<2022-09-14T20:08:02.000Z> Mackiavelli13: it as to be a victim that comes forward 
<2022-09-14T20:08:18.000Z> clairebere: It would be considered fruit of a poisoned tree if it came from the swatting
<2022-09-14T20:08:49.000Z> Mackiavelli13: if they can prove its her that made it happen 
<2022-09-14T20:10:01.000Z> Mackiavelli13: there's proof on wrong doing and blackmailing by Lucas 
<2022-09-14T20:10:20.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But I'm starting to think that even if they had something they wouldn't do shit 
<2022-09-14T20:10:45.000Z> clairebere: What proof do you mean 
<2022-09-14T20:11:57.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Example if someone called and said everyting we know and show them the dm that she blackmails and tries to do and organize the attack on winter
<2022-09-14T20:12:15.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But I don't think they would listen 
<2022-09-14T20:14:31.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Because if you look at this from a twitter perspective you have proof of him daring KF to get info on him 
<2022-09-14T20:14:58.000Z> Mackiavelli13: You have lots of proof that he's asking for illegal ddos and his happy to give throonshine
<2022-09-14T20:40:06.000Z> clairebere: None of that is criminally actionable
<2022-09-14T20:40:23.000Z> clairebere: Sorry got busy feeding kiddos
<2022-09-14T20:40:30.000Z> Mackiavelli13: No no its super cool
<2022-09-14T20:40:40.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Grooming isn't a crime 
<2022-09-14T20:40:59.000Z> Mackiavelli13: you know you can be charge for things because you do many infraction that leads you to a criminal conviction 
<2022-09-14T20:41:13.000Z> Mackiavelli13: there's proof he was grooming young man he even states it 
<2022-09-14T20:41:23.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But they don't give a fuck 
<2022-09-14T20:42:02.000Z> clairebere: Look I want Lucas to go down as much as the next person, I am just being a realist about the chances of that happening
<2022-09-14T20:42:21.000Z> Mackiavelli13: No I understand you and agree 100%
<2022-09-14T20:42:30.000Z> Mackiavelli13: But a man would be doing the same to young woman 
<2022-09-14T20:42:45.000Z> Mackiavelli13: he would be on the view for a week getting called all the names
<2022-09-14T20:42:59.000Z> clairebere: Unless Lucas is sending meds illegally themselves you can't get them on supporting that website their friend runs
<2022-09-14T20:43:27.000Z> Mackiavelli13: All this is so angering '
<2022-09-14T20:44:35.000Z> clairebere: Oh I agree it's a double standard I'm only talking about the chances of any sort of criminal conviction
<2022-09-14T20:44:41.000Z> clairebere: It really sucks
<2022-09-14T20:45:23.000Z> Mackiavelli13: I know thank you for grounding me down its just what it is I guess.
<2022-09-14T20:56:24.000Z> clairebere: No problem sorry to be a wet blanket about it
<2022-09-14T20:56:39.000Z> clairebere: Karma will get Lucas eventually 
<2022-09-14T20:57:11.000Z> Mackiavelli13: Nha I'm a Taurus 
<2022-09-14T20:57:56.000Z> Mackiavelli13: I'd rather to have my state shaken than live in lies and assumptions with the counter arguments. 