<2023-03-03T01:56:40.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Big-1vigRM0
<2023-03-03T01:56:47.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Jewify
<2023-03-03T01:57:43.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I would, but the youtube algo has added 20 unskippable ads in front of it. I'm guessing that's a traditional hebrew song?
<2023-03-03T01:57:49.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Er, Yiddish?
<2023-03-03T01:58:30.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Traditional? No way it's hip and swell
<2023-03-03T01:58:43.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Yiddish is an abomination it's Hebrew obviously 
<2023-03-03T01:58:48.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Listen to it
<2023-03-03T01:59:26.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Oh! Got it to play!Sounds like an upbeat Cheb i Sabbah
<2023-03-03T01:59:54.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Ohh, acoustic too. Cheb i doesn't do acoustic. It's nice. 
<2023-03-03T02:00:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It's Shlomo Artzy, he's the best
<2023-03-03T02:01:10.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: That is the best name for a jewish artist, lol. 
<2023-03-03T02:01:12.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1S5kM8nMLY
<2023-03-03T02:02:27.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: > That is the best name for a jewish artist, lol. Can't beat it
<2023-03-03T02:02:44.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Is your profile name a play on Meshugganeh, by any chance? 
<2023-03-03T02:02:52.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: May have misspelled it
<2023-03-03T02:03:00.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: *I may have misspelled it, lol
<2023-03-03T02:03:30.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Nope, it came from "mesh" networks
<2023-03-03T02:03:36.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Oooooh
<2023-03-03T02:03:47.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Meshi means silk in Hebrew also
<2023-03-03T02:04:52.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: And messhuggeneh means senseless, right?
<2023-03-03T02:05:55.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Pretty much, in Hebrew we say meshuga, "crazy"
<2023-03-03T02:06:28.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34YPRRcHOwo
<2023-03-03T02:06:39.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Shlomo used to be a twink, look
<2023-03-03T02:07:06.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Of course he did. And I'm betting a heterosexual one too. 
<2023-03-03T02:07:45.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Probably, look at his harem of women 
<2023-03-03T02:07:53.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Lucky bitches
<2023-03-03T02:08:05.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Pretty much
<2023-03-03T02:08:10.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: lol
<2023-03-03T02:08:18.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Be content that most are dead now, I dunno 
<2023-03-03T02:09:18.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Eh, there's plenty of twink to ogle online and irl, its no bbiggie
<2023-03-03T02:10:04.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Not many are in army bands 
<2023-03-03T02:10:24.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Wanna see my haircut?
<2023-03-03T02:10:30.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Sure, lol
<2023-03-03T02:10:53.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Jus curls https://freespeechextremist.com/media/aae61dbc-c601-42f4-98e6-2ee99ca71efb/Imagepipe_4.jpg?name=Imagepipe_4.jpg
<2023-03-03T02:10:55.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Jus curls
<2023-03-03T02:11:24.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Ahh, going for the femboy look? 
<2023-03-03T02:11:38.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Going for? No 
<2023-03-03T02:12:03.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: It works for you
<2023-03-03T02:12:08.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: The hair, I mean
<2023-03-03T02:13:32.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Hair does whatever it want, I have no control over it and I won't waste any time pretending I do
<2023-03-03T02:14:44.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Thanks tho
<2023-03-03T02:15:38.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: No problem, lol. A healthy approach to haircare, I suppose. And since people are more open about hairstyles, these days it shouldn't impede on opportunity. 
<2023-03-03T02:16:22.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Especially in Jewland, people don't mind
<2023-03-03T02:17:02.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: In Israel, eh? I guess the whole "getting threatened by a Palestinian invasion" thing kind of puts everything in perspective, lol .
<2023-03-03T02:18:18.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: That's not a threat, we could nuke them to ashes and dance over their children's graves
<2023-03-03T02:18:42.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I wouldn't blame ya. I'm guessing you're IDF? 
<2023-03-03T02:19:23.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Never been less afraid of Palestinians, I would worry about the lower IQ Arab Jews and criminal Russian Jews
<2023-03-03T02:19:59.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I'm assuming the Russian Jews are the ones running all those makeup kiosk scam rings in the malls over here? 
<2023-03-03T02:20:02.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Everybody is IDF, besides the parasitic religious priestly class which doesn't have to join or even work because they have welfare like negroes
<2023-03-03T02:20:35.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Not surprised the religion card gives a pass. A shame, warrior priests'd carry ahelluva  lotta clout. 
<2023-03-03T02:20:40.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: > I'm assuming the Russian Jews are the ones running all those makeup kiosk scam rings in the malls over here? Unironically yes
<2023-03-03T02:21:26.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: > Not surprised the religion card gives a pass. A shame, warrior priests'd carry ahelluva  lotta clout. Not really, because everybody does it
<2023-03-03T02:21:43.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wp0bl8xgLU
<2023-03-03T02:22:12.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Yeah, I did a bit of private investigative work on those guys last year. Interesting bunch, exact same MO as Rasko, takes a bunch of former IDF guys and college students, and just... sends them abroad on a greencard with a chelf life, and traps em in retail hell forever. 
<2023-03-03T02:22:43.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: *shelf life
<2023-03-03T02:22:49.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Rasko? 
<2023-03-03T02:23:21.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: RASKO was the name of the original scam ring. Not much info on them, except an article back in 07 about them getting busted. 
<2023-03-03T02:23:25.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Wanna hear our modern national twink? He's gay and likes singing jes suis malade in Hebrew 
<2023-03-03T02:23:33.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Let's see him lol
<2023-03-03T02:23:42.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzBKKTSkmpw
<2023-03-03T02:24:02.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Listen to the entire song
<2023-03-03T02:24:07.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Ohhh, that's a face that gets into a lot of trouble, lol
<2023-03-03T02:24:09.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Aight
<2023-03-03T02:24:54.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Funnily enough I don't think he had a troubled life, quiet guy focused on himself 
<2023-03-03T02:25:55.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Oh, that's a southern US term I used. "He's/She's in trouble" is like a... turn of phrase that indicates they're beautiful to the point where their looks alone will cause trouble around them. 
<2023-03-03T02:26:15.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: You usually say the term about a man's daughter if you want to get punched in the face.
<2023-03-03T02:26:41.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I think Shlomo was cuter, but personal preference 
<2023-03-03T02:27:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Shlomo has sharper features unique to his generation. Skaatharel is like the newer generation's equivalent. Facial features evolve weirdly that way. 
<2023-03-03T02:28:31.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: This one was looking for troublehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fis53imkF74
<2023-03-03T02:29:00.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Poor gal got AIDS, she was such a great singer 
<2023-03-03T02:30:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: And in the 80s-90s too... That's when the stigma really got bad, at least in the states... 
<2023-03-03T02:31:00.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Here too, but her boyfriend got her sick
<2023-03-03T02:31:54.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXlle-QOv_Q
<2023-03-03T02:32:10.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: She sang in this movie
<2023-03-03T02:32:16.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: SHE WAS IN THE SOUNDTRACK TO THIS MOVIE
<2023-03-03T02:32:21.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Gad damn
<2023-03-03T02:32:26.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Yep
<2023-03-03T02:32:38.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: That's Dreamworks back when they gave a shit
<2023-03-03T02:32:43.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: She was a BIG deal even internationally but that was a long time ago
<2023-03-03T02:33:08.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Hey hey, 20 years ain't *that* lo... Okay, it was a long time ago...
<2023-03-03T02:33:14.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-FB6Opo5c
<2023-03-03T02:33:38.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Far more fitting in Hebrew, tbh
<2023-03-03T02:33:44.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: She sang in Hebrew, English, French Arabic and probably more I can't remember 
<2023-03-03T02:34:31.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Dreamworks did put in a lot of effort to make their films in as many languages as possible. I remember a Mexican friend of mine had a Spanish version of Joseph, King of Dreams
<2023-03-03T02:35:04.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Didn't they do a Latin version of something? Can't remember 
<2023-03-03T02:35:41.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I would not be surprised, they put in a stupid amount of effort into their early films. 
<2023-03-03T02:35:59.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The Israeli music scene is fantastic, surprisingly deep too
<2023-03-03T02:36:16.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Harsh conditions render the sharpest muse
<2023-03-03T02:36:33.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Now nobody seems to put much effort into anything besides spreading transgenderism and crafting wojak memes
<2023-03-03T02:37:06.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: That's all culture, now. We're at a sort of... Dead end period, before the cataclysm that reignites the muses...
<2023-03-03T02:37:43.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Varg exists, I guess 
<2023-03-03T02:38:30.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: There's a few hidden gems, here and there. They're just very hard to find in the deluge. Makes me glad to be autistically focused on Goth music. 
<2023-03-03T02:38:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Hopefully the US collapses so the worldwide intellectuals stop having a final authority to look up to 
<2023-03-03T02:39:05.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The old Israeli music scene is all gems 
<2023-03-03T02:39:58.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I'd also direct you to Ergyron they're greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPBt7iGtHH0
<2023-03-03T02:40:11.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: It'll have it's collapse, no need to worry about that. We just need the petrochemicals to dry up, so our people can wake up. 
<2023-03-03T02:40:35.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I'll take a look at them, thanks. I've been needing some new music to sift through. 
<2023-03-03T02:41:22.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Or the technological system will become too big to destroy or be destroyed by it's own weight and humanity will be over 
<2023-03-03T02:41:51.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: If I believed that though I'd start sending bombs already 
<2023-03-03T02:43:18.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Nah, that requires the people behind it to actually be functional. All the tech overlords live in cities that have zero production value, and they've pissed off every blue collar worker whose labor actually props them up. Blue collar folk are quiet folk, they'll put up with quite a bit up to the point of no return, but once they bite back, the bugmen won't be able to save themselves. 
<2023-03-03T02:43:44.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: And bombs won't be needed, either. Just simple neglect
<2023-03-03T02:43:59.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Which has already happened as more people leave those big tech cities behind. 
<2023-03-03T02:46:26.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: There's actually several periods in American History that reflect this, almost to a T. The oligarchs of the time look to have completely won, and then God comes knockin. 
<2023-03-03T02:46:38.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: That's what people like you and Luke Smith don't realize, there's entropy behind the system and much more entropy than a monarchy that's why more decentralized systems replaced monarchies because they're more anti-fragile and usually become bigger with time even if a prime minister dies it doesn't change much for the system itself unlike a monarchy there's a certain governmental stability that comes from that 
<2023-03-03T02:47:47.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It doesn't mean people are more anti-fragile, they're not, or the global system itself but it does mean they're more difficult to overthrow because everybody works within a big system where organizations and ideas have more influence than personal charisma 
<2023-03-03T02:50:18.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Democracies and it's abominable children of National Socialism and Communism and all other majority focused systems are much more decentralized even though they make the territories which they rule a single monolith and that means that if government is even slightly affected by something the people will feel it too
<2023-03-03T02:51:25.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: People's lives are much more fragile while the systems evolve to be less efficient and more likely to survive in the long term
<2023-03-03T02:52:22.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Do you get what I'm saying? 
<2023-03-03T02:52:34.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: We're not going to be able to reach or accept that reality until all checks and balances have been exhausted. As much as I take pride in my country, even I'll admit that its stock has become hesitant and cowardly due to convenience. In order to balkanize, you need the people to accept that the current system is no longer feasible. Unfortunately, that hasn't been accepted by enough people to make a difference, yet. 
<2023-03-03T02:52:47.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I think I'm getting what you are saying, correct me if I'm wrong;
<2023-03-03T02:54:21.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: You're saying that the system in place has been decentralized at a certain level, to the point where nothing functions anymore? Which in turn gives the system power, because the people don't know who to shoot?
<2023-03-03T02:55:24.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I'm saying Balkanization is impossible because everybody works within the system and if they don't they're vilified by the system and made to look ridiculous and detached from reality, so either the system collapses like a human randomly catching flames or it envelopes everything and changes humans in a fundamental way
<2023-03-03T02:56:16.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: > You're saying that the system in place has been decentralized at a certain level, to the point where nothing functions anymore? Which in turn gives the system power, because the people don't know who to shoot?Basically, but people don't even want to shoot because they can't see a way to work outside the system 
<2023-03-03T02:56:46.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The only way for people to actually fight back is for a mass conversion to Amish ways 
<2023-03-03T02:57:46.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: So yeah we're screwed 
<2023-03-03T02:58:38.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: But there's good reason to believe the system will randomly catch on fire, it's just too big not to and when that fire hits it will be as hot as hell itself 
<2023-03-03T03:01:10.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The best possible thing humans can do is decentralize social institutions, ban large gatherings of people like cities and vest authority in a monarchy which trains kings as scholars and warriors but that's quite unrealistic 
<2023-03-03T03:02:57.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: But I'm just bouncing off my ideas they're not finished yet
<2023-03-03T03:04:38.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Did you find any holes? 
<2023-03-03T03:11:18.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Not yet, let me mull over that for a minute...I gotta head to the gym real quick, I'll be back with an answer on that. Feel free to keep bouncing, this is interesting as hell
<2023-03-03T03:11:42.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Thanks
<2023-03-03T03:11:49.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: And I'm serious, I'm not brushing this off. I will be back, but the gym closes in a few hours and I've been dead all day, lol
<2023-03-03T03:11:57.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I also won't be on Fedi for too long, do you have an xmpp?
<2023-03-03T03:12:14.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: No clue what that is or means. Why you leaving fedi? 
<2023-03-03T03:12:36.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Xmpp is like email for instant messaging 
<2023-03-03T03:12:45.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I'm not a huge fan of social media 
<2023-03-03T03:12:59.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I might stay if enough interesting people show up 
<2023-03-03T03:13:11.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Is this social media, though? It can be as social or private as you want, on Fedi. 
<2023-03-03T03:13:56.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It is social media, with most of the draws of centralized networks and some more new ones
<2023-03-03T03:14:23.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The redpill is linking to cool people on your site, a site I don't have yet so
<2023-03-03T03:16:14.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: You can actually start your own instance on fedi, that you can control, if that's your concern. And there's a lot of cool and interesting people on here. You just gotta look stupidly hard, lol. It's kind of a chore, but you get more out of it than standard social media once you find a good cluster of peeps. Highly recommend you stay. We need some cuties here, :p 
<2023-03-03T03:17:03.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Fedi is too low quality for me, I'm a better more autistic memer than most here 
<2023-03-03T03:17:23.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Will soon go back to maintaining my Shlomo Artzy Evangelism 
<2023-03-03T03:18:10.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Lol, fire away. (Will be back, must head to gym.)
<2023-03-03T03:18:42.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: My xmpp is in my bio, you should register an account 
<2023-03-03T05:12:06.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: No promises, I will take a look into it. I'm not tech savvy, so I have to be cautious about new things. Sort of like a caveman around fire. 
<2023-03-03T05:13:32.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: You can set up an account on a public instance, you don't have to register with an email and if you do just create a random one and then download an app to use it
<2023-03-03T05:13:41.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: ezpz
<2023-03-03T05:16:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: So, have you found any holes in my ideas?
<2023-03-03T05:18:56.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: No, you are exactly right. The only... Not argument against it but... I think the, hmm.... 
<2023-03-03T05:19:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Yeah?
<2023-03-03T05:19:44.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Let me phrase this right. Your assumptions are absolutely correct, and your solutions (though a bit extreme) are sound, in the sense that it would be the ideal solution to work towards. 
<2023-03-03T05:21:15.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Unworkable solution, the only thing possible is to create small pockets of normalcyAs Varg would put it, run to the hills to escape the flood 
<2023-03-03T05:22:07.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: (Sorry, pupper needed pets) Because I too feel similarly. But there's this tool I try to apply to my "lens" of perception, and its one based on my experience with studying history. That is, we are blind in the fog of concurrence. 
<2023-03-03T05:22:10.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Shit
<2023-03-03T05:22:16.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: didnt finish hold on
<2023-03-03T05:25:10.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: We're in a time different from the rest of history, because humanity is shifting away from workable independent units of families villages and cities into a whole encompassing """world village""" where everything is extremely reliant on billions of factors
<2023-03-03T05:26:12.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: For a system so ... intensive to keep going it needs to demand more and more from the people working inside it
<2023-03-03T05:27:05.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: So either it expands or collapses, it cannot shrink that would be like the Romans giving away Milan to the Huns without them demanding it
<2023-03-03T05:27:31.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Yes! You are exactly right on that! But there's more to it that actually compliments what you are saying, but perhaps could gear it towards a more optimistic end point.                                                                                  We are blind in the fog of concurrence, means we aren't seeing all the factors. You actually pointed this out in part with the "randomly catching fire" endpoint that you mentioned. I used to work in an industry that gave me a shit ton of insight into almost every other industry, from restaurants to shipping companies. And from what I'm seeing, this experiment of the "world village" is very much just an illusion that will be insanely easy to break. 
<2023-03-03T05:27:58.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: In that it is too complicated and demanding of its host peoples to survive. 
<2023-03-03T05:28:30.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: It's unsustainable, the way things are organized and functioning. Which is why we're seeing disaster after disaster popping up more frequently with almost every passing week .
<2023-03-03T05:29:34.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: We actually aren't just seeing this in the form of disasters. My generation, and generation Z are actually bucking against this obscene demand that the globocorpos are trying to extract form us like they did with the previous generations. 
<2023-03-03T05:30:20.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Because we have absolutely no hope of moving out of our parents' houses, we're going to end up in a sort of return to the multi-generational home setup that was actually the norm generations ago. 
<2023-03-03T05:30:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: This is where the interesting bit comes. 
<2023-03-03T05:31:00.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Things are so obscenely fucked, that a return to family values and cooperation will actually be inevitable before the coming "flood." 
<2023-03-03T05:31:13.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Because we have no choice to, financially. 
<2023-03-03T05:31:47.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: There are no actual disasters for now, only news created disasters 
<2023-03-03T05:32:10.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I'm sure it's a disaster for Ukrainians, not the global system 
<2023-03-03T05:32:58.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: What happens is that factions in the global system will emerge to try and make the system more effective by splitting it up we can already see it happening 
<2023-03-03T05:33:26.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Thus the system become more centralized in a few entities and things are done more effectively and less dangerously 
<2023-03-03T05:33:59.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It's sustainable, sadly, at least to a degree it can reshape itself in every disgusting way it wishes
<2023-03-03T05:35:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Let's hope the flood comes hard 
<2023-03-03T05:38:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: But as the system breaks up, even under the hands of the former globohomocorpos, they fall under an unforseen threat that they didn't have to face previously: The threat of local accountability. Let's play with that idea, that the system breaks up in a controlled fashion, and globohomo still has control albeit in a smaller, fragmented sense. Because their area of control is smaller, the leviathan they hid within also becomes smaller. The smaller the leviathan, the smaller the target. The smaller the target, the more likely and willingly the citizens are about to shoot if the globohomo leader doesn't properly tend to their needs. Balkanization is inevitable, and there will no doubt be factions that will rise under the leadership of former globohomo leaders. But this coming time period after the mass split won't be a stable period at all. A lot of regions, and a lot of territories are going to be competing in every way imaginable. Globohomo leaders can't handle that scale of chaos at such a close and local level. Their little fiefdoms will fall to the forces of neighbor nations whose leadership actually reflects the people. 
<2023-03-03T05:39:57.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: It's actually kind of exciting, from my perspective. As a Southerner born in the heart of Dixie, I actually look forward to the American split, and the resulting territorial wars. It'll make for a grand return to local distinction, which'll enrich our culture hopefully back to its former glory (sans all the slavery shit, lol)
<2023-03-03T05:40:25.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The target will actually become larger because it will involve a few sovereign entities that will do anything to not be shattered 
<2023-03-03T05:40:36.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The system right now is fragmented and fragile 
<2023-03-03T05:40:49.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: In the future it might be not, it might be a few systems 
<2023-03-03T05:41:45.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: There will always be the outer party to blame as well like in 1984, actually it all sounds very 1984esque and I don't like that 
<2023-03-03T05:42:34.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Competing but still stable 
<2023-03-03T05:43:43.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Perhaps, but that is very unlikely given the amount of sheer dysfunction that rests at every level of everything. Every youth generation is for the most part, refusing to comply due to how utterly betrayed and screwed they've been. They're still reckless and healthy enough to take a risk when there's no logical path to prosperity for them within the system. That's at least how we see it here in the states. And it's also how the Chinese youth see it as well. There's a lot going on with them, that doesn't reach mainstream news. They're bucking back in their own ways towards a system they simply aren't allowed to prosper in. 
<2023-03-03T05:44:17.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: The dogs are cornered, but they're about to discover just how sharp their fangs are.
<2023-03-03T05:44:37.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: And when they do, they'll end up being part of the flood that wrecks everything. 
<2023-03-03T05:44:44.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: They still work totally within the system and even if they replace the government (likely) they won't change too much
<2023-03-03T05:45:11.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Can't assume it will or won't break, let's just hope it will break 
<2023-03-03T05:45:40.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Oh, it'll break. There's way too much dysfunction for it not to, at this point.
<2023-03-03T05:46:37.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Citizens are more like a herd of zebras, they want to be left alone and will crush every small threat in their way but they can be lead in certain directions and confined by manipulation 
<2023-03-03T05:47:59.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: We could see an age of instability in which new systems take form, and are even more effective because they can micromanage 
<2023-03-03T05:48:39.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Of course they won't actually manage countries better but they will manage the state of governments better 
<2023-03-03T05:50:08.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: True. But nature is a far more powerful force than human manipulation. And there are... A lot of things it has in store for us, once the rot reaches the final layers. It's not just a metaphorical rot. It's an infrastructural one, too. Like, literally infrastructural. Think Chinese liveleaks-style, but in the US. No amount of human manipulation can dismiss that at the local level, and accountability will be had.
<2023-03-03T05:50:24.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: We can't just predict this but we can calculate the risks and act accordingly beforehand 
<2023-03-03T05:51:08.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Nature is more powerful than manipulation but what if humans manipulate themselves 
<2023-03-03T05:51:38.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Look at Reddit, what if society was like that just a giant skinner box
<2023-03-03T05:52:09.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The government wouldn't even have to organize that like in China it's already happening naturally 
<2023-03-03T06:24:03.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Hmmmm.....That's a fair point. That reminded me of the American literacy rate, where I think 70% or so can't read past a middle school level. And then I look at the pill-popping Americans engage in, and see a similarly blackpilling statistic.When the people are doped up and dumbed down, you can drag them through the muddiest shit imaginable and they'll thank you for it.  And I don't doubt that other countries across the planet are like that, as well. It would take a lot to break through that veil, just on account of how thick both it and the skulls of the people in question are.But... If the people are that easy to manipulate by big gov propaganda, then it doesn't take much to manipulate them in pretty much any direction. Which means that people of the right intent, and of the right charisma level can manipulate the herdlike masses in the right direction if they so choose. But that would take a special person, to do it properly in the right direction.. And those figures come about rarely. 
<2023-03-03T06:29:53.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It isn't that simple 
<2023-03-03T06:30:31.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: America is a theocracy, and the priestly class has acquired dominance through the decentralization of the system 
<2023-03-03T06:30:43.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: People follow their word as gospel 
<2023-03-03T06:32:03.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: You can't just have a charismatic figure like Hitler when there's such a strong culture of academia 
<2023-03-03T06:33:32.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Anybody like that would instantly be demonized as an enemy of the system and would be slandered to oblivion 
<2023-03-03T06:33:40.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Sounds familiar right?
<2023-03-03T06:34:32.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: You should read some moldbug he's got a way deeper understanding than me about this stuff 
<2023-03-03T06:34:53.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Though he totally ignores the reasons democracy and it's bastard childs are so successful 
<2023-03-03T06:38:47.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: How has our system decentralized, though? I have seen no indicators of that having happened. It started out as decentralized, but the federal government has slowly been centralizing all power for the last 150 years. Academia has lost almost all relevance in our culture, and it really is just reduced to a glorified degree-printing machine as the younger generations abandon it in favor of apprenticeships and actual jobs. You're right in that... *within* the system, it's a complete and total theocracy. But it isn't decentralized, it's in the process of centralizing. And there's currently a race going on between the theocratic centralization of corporate/government power, and the loss of relevance of the system as more and more generations come of age in the system, and seek to burn it or throw it away once they realize they have no future in it. In the process of centralization, the system has lost focus in what used to make it powerful, which was the people who held a stake in its survival. Those people are aging and dying out, leaving behind a younger set of generations who have fewer or no reason at all to put the same investments into those systems. This is why you see such extremism on both the left and right among the younger generations. They're looking for a way out, and they're more and more willing to burn everything down to get out. 
<2023-03-03T12:45:08.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It is decentralizing as it puts power into the hands of more people, whether government workers or not. Companies, academics, celebrities, news agencies, etc.
<2023-03-03T12:46:45.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: We should probably come up with different scales of decentralization. But anyway, individuals barely matter in the system anymore, as it is so decentralized it runs through thousands of f organizations and ideas within it.
<2023-03-03T12:47:02.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: People don't make as much of a difference.
<2023-03-03T12:50:53.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The system is not losing relevance, you're wrong, it's just losing effectiveness and thus people's faith. People still work within it, they are just becoming more nihilistic and thus even easier to humiliate and manipulate.
<2023-03-03T12:54:05.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: In the process of decentralizing, granting power to more irrelevant individuals, hence making power less meaningful as an individual, the system is becoming more stable within itself but unable to reinvent itself and take any stance due to the endless bureaucracy and no individual actually holding much power 
<2023-03-03T12:55:02.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Power are angrier because the system isn't answering anybody's needs and the material reparations got from participating are meager 
<2023-03-03T13:18:33.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: People* not power lol
<2023-03-03T22:02:06.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I am available 24/7 on xmpp, not going to be using Fedi much 
<2023-03-05T21:32:54.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: ANSWER, you are like the fourth ever Fedi person worth talking to
<2023-03-05T21:33:10.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: lol
<2023-03-05T21:33:42.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Like I said, it gets easier to find people on fedi worth talking to, once you dig around.
<2023-03-05T21:33:57.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Get xmpp too so I could theorize about politics more during the day
<2023-03-05T21:34:08.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I'm too lazyyyy
<2023-03-05T21:34:50.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Plus, I'm not really on during the day. 
<2023-03-05T21:34:54.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It's easy, sign up to the server I did (says on my profile) 
<2023-03-05T21:35:11.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I am probably on the other side of the world
<2023-03-05T21:35:59.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: The best app for Android is Conversations and Gajim or Dino for Loonix
<2023-03-05T21:36:19.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: Exactly, We're on different time zones. When you're on fedi, I'm on fedi around the same time. When you're available on XMPP, I'm not available. 
<2023-03-05T21:36:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: It kind of pans out well enough, this way. 
<2023-03-05T21:37:13.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I am more available on xmpp at this time anyway
<2023-03-05T21:37:48.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I advise you, would reward you with memes
<2023-03-05T21:38:06.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I'm not doing it until I do some more digging on it, sorry. We've still only just met, and I'm already getting requested to join a thing I've never heard of. 
<2023-03-05T21:38:25.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: To my boomer brain, that's a bit of a minefield. 
<2023-03-05T21:38:29.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I gotta be careful. 
<2023-03-05T21:38:52.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: You know more about it that I do, but that still doesn't change my caution around new things, ,techwise
<2023-03-05T21:42:04.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Sure, but it is basically a decentralized protocol. You should look more carefully at the server you pick to sign up to, but they won't have your private messages as long as you enable OMEMO encryption on the client, otherwise GPG/PGP encryption (also available for email. They will have some metadata, but nothing concerning like what Signal has over you. Do be aware, OMEMO doesn't work well, and doesn't always work. But you can self host XMPP, like email.
<2023-03-05T21:45:40.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Also, if you are using WhatsApp or Telegram, stop. Telegram is a front for the Russians and their "private chats" use an homemade encryption protocol which the Russians can probably decrypt. WhatsApp has a closed source client which can send unencrypted messages back to WhatsApp servers, and who knows where else.
<2023-03-05T21:47:58.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I know, it's why I don't say or do anything here that I wouldn't say or do irl. Like I said, I'm looking into it. But I'm the kind of guy who fucks up basic game downloads. I found the website for it, let me... Let me read up on it before I make this account. They've got a whole "history section" that actually is pretty enlightening.. All I know about whatsapp or telegram, is that sussy people on Grindr always ask me to message them on it before I block them. 
<2023-03-05T21:50:04.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: I don't shill XMPP, it's just anonymous enough to be the Fedi standard chat protocol. I use Signal for family, but honestly everything sucks in one way or another. Matrix is also like XMPP, but produces more metadata about you, and was sponsored by the Mossad, so. 
<2023-03-05T21:52:48.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: You should read Lain's article about encryption, E2E encryption and encrypting the Fediverse. It explains encryption best. End to End encryption is basically a way of sending information without the middleman, like WhatsApp, being able to read it. WhatsApp has loopholes, because it's closed source though.
<2023-03-05T21:54:51.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: I found one on makeuseof.com that puts the thing into context. I'm gonna finish reading it when I get back from the gym, and... from what I've seen, it looks safe enough to make an account on. But I gotta get to the gym first. Closes in 3 hours, and traffic sucks here thanks to Yankees. 
<2023-03-05T21:54:51.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Still, Trust Nobody
<2023-03-05T21:57:11.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: It is like email. You have different sites you can make different accounts on. They are all pretty much the same in terms of privacy, because the apps through which you use XMPP (instant message emails, basically) are made by different people than those hosting the servers. Use an open source client.
<2023-03-05T21:57:42.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Tell me if you don't understand anything
<2023-03-05T22:41:08.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://xmpp.org/about/technology-overview/
<2023-03-05T22:41:49.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://xmpp.org/getting-started/
<2023-03-05T22:43:00.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://community.xmpp.net/instances
<2023-03-05T22:45:09.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Best instances are 404.city and there's another one I don't remember
<2023-03-05T22:45:24.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Here's a list
<2023-03-05T22:45:27.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: https://community.xmpp.net/instances
<2023-03-06T03:34:06.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: THERES LIKE 20 DIFFERENT VERSI-Oh, you mentioned that.
<2023-03-06T03:34:23.000Z> LionelValentineAborted: This is gonna take a while for me to figure out...'
<2023-03-06T04:15:41.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: THEY ARE EMAIL BUT INSTANT AND ANONYMOUS!!! There is one XMPP, a lot of servers (big computers) running the XMPP, and different apps by different people to access the XMPP computer you signed up to online
<2023-03-06T04:17:51.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Like, there is gmail.com and yahoo.com and more, right? These are servers/sites running email, and you can access these sites through the same apps, like Thunderbird and Outlook
<2023-03-06T04:18:07.000Z> meshyagain@freespeechextremist.com: Same with XMPP