<2022-05-14T01:36:22.000Z> Ghislaine: If I was you I’d just block/mute this moralpanic guy
<2022-05-14T01:37:03.000Z> Frosche: Yeah, he's a giant faggot and just played the nigger feet washing cardThe correct time to block was when he said he was drunk
<2022-05-14T01:39:43.000Z> Ghislaine: Yea if you like sparring with him go ahead I guess but seriously it’s not going anywhere some people just hate Christianity and it’s really pearls before swine situation at a certain point 
<2022-05-14T01:41:03.000Z> Frosche: I already blocked him. He's either a retarded troll or legitimately out of his mind and worshiping Mike Enoch but in either case I'm done 
<2022-05-14T01:41:58.000Z> Ghislaine: 👍🏻
<2022-05-14T01:42:49.000Z> Ghislaine: Yea there’s this weird subset of trs people who sincerely hate Christianity and Christians for some reason
<2022-05-14T01:43:07.000Z> Ghislaine: The way to save the white race is to obnoxiously worship Odin or something 
<2022-05-14T01:43:36.000Z> Ghislaine: Step one bash Christianity mindlessly until whites come together to worship Odin. 
<2022-05-14T01:43:39.000Z> Frosche: The last two just seem really over the edge because I disagreed with Fuhrer Enoch on a single issue
<2022-05-14T01:43:53.000Z> Frosche: Morons 
<2022-05-14T01:43:59.000Z> Ghislaine: Step two: Hitler rises from the grave to lead the movement 
<2022-05-14T01:46:47.000Z> Frosche: It's especially important to target Christians who are already 100% on board your racial and anti Jew politics. Those are the biggest threats
<2022-05-14T01:52:43.000Z> Ghislaine: Some people are just crazy
<2022-05-14T01:57:42.000Z> Ghislaine: “If we could purge all the white Christians from the movement maybe we’d get some traction”
<2022-05-14T01:58:35.000Z> Frosche: Just think how many more speeches we'd have if the last white Christian were gone 
<2022-05-14T01:59:47.000Z> Ghislaine: “Your god was nailed to a tree my god carries a hammer”
<2022-05-14T02:01:57.000Z> Frosche: Whoa. I'm being annihilated with facts and logic (marvel comics)
<2022-05-14T02:02:59.000Z> Ghislaine: Its odd I’ve literally never met anyone who professed to be a pagan
<2022-05-14T02:03:25.000Z> Ghislaine: Do these pagans we see completely live online? (yes)
<2022-05-14T02:06:08.000Z> Frosche: I've met irl pagans they're all chubby white girls (would)
<2022-05-20T05:47:50.000Z> Ghislaine: Hey man I’m here if you want to talk
<2022-05-20T05:48:05.000Z> Ghislaine: I’m really sorry to hear things are going so bad for you
<2022-05-20T05:48:11.000Z> Ghislaine: You’re in my prayers
<2022-05-20T05:48:52.000Z> Frosche: I appreciate it.  I've been ranting at Myles for 20 minutes now, so it's not as urgent
<2022-05-20T05:49:03.000Z> Frosche: Losing your wife/only friend fucking sucks dude
<2022-05-20T05:49:16.000Z> Ghislaine: I can imagine
<2022-05-20T05:49:33.000Z> Ghislaine: Lmk though
<2022-05-20T05:49:35.000Z> Frosche: and life circumstances forced me to go through a bunch of memories and pictures and shit before I was ready
<2022-05-20T05:50:52.000Z> Ghislaine: How long were you two together (if you don’t mind me asking?)
<2022-05-20T05:50:57.000Z> Frosche: 14
<2022-05-20T05:51:11.000Z> Frosche: so, my entire adult life
<2022-05-20T05:51:43.000Z> Ghislaine: That’s terrible
<2022-05-20T05:52:23.000Z> Ghislaine: when my grandpa died it was pretty much over for my grandma
<2022-05-20T05:52:39.000Z> Frosche: I've been informed it never really gets better
<2022-05-20T05:52:43.000Z> Frosche: It's like losing an arm
<2022-05-20T05:52:53.000Z> Frosche: You sort of get used to it but time doesn't heal that kind of wound
<2022-05-20T05:53:10.000Z> Ghislaine: ive never been through anything like that but I know it’s possible to see the far side of it 
<2022-05-20T05:53:50.000Z> Ghislaine: Like things won’t always be unbearable
<2022-05-20T05:53:59.000Z> Frosche: Well yeah
<2022-05-20T05:54:11.000Z> Frosche: I had a period of like 2 weeks where things just felt "normal"
<2022-05-20T05:54:18.000Z> Frosche: like nothing bad happened
<2022-05-20T05:54:25.000Z> Frosche: But you get sent back to start a lot
<2022-05-20T05:55:38.000Z> Ghislaine: I detected anguish in your posting during that time period lol
<2022-05-20T05:57:24.000Z> Frosche: I try to distract myself with shitposting or whatever, but life blows lol
<2022-05-20T05:59:13.000Z> Ghislaine: 😩
<2022-05-20T05:59:54.000Z> Frosche: the lesson I'm hoping people take away from my public meltdowns is 1. cherish your girl and 2. don't have her as your only support
<2022-05-20T06:01:44.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah
<2022-05-20T06:02:16.000Z> Ghislaine: You have family and stuff to talk to?
<2022-05-20T06:02:22.000Z> Frosche: lol no
<2022-05-20T06:02:33.000Z> Ghislaine: Fuck
<2022-05-20T06:02:39.000Z> Frosche: I have *her* family
<2022-05-20T06:02:57.000Z> Frosche: so while they're available, it's painful for everyone involved because we never really spoke before this
<2022-05-20T06:03:05.000Z> Ghislaine: 😫
<2022-05-20T06:03:08.000Z> Frosche: yeah
<2022-05-20T06:03:25.000Z> Ghislaine: Guess you’re stuck with us then
<2022-05-20T06:03:33.000Z> Frosche: yup
<2022-05-20T06:03:37.000Z> Frosche: retard gang rise up
<2022-05-20T06:05:09.000Z> Ghislaine attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/52eb8470c19bdbe9260374d3ba9c7926814d07f0054182af3a05c5ebc53a1245.jpeg
<2022-05-20T06:05:18.000Z> Ghislaine: I find this picture soothing
<2022-05-20T06:06:26.000Z> Frosche: yes I too am an aspie in need of Jesus
<2022-05-20T06:10:43.000Z> Ghislaine: I’m married btw
<2022-05-20T06:11:22.000Z> Ghislaine: wife and I have been having a lot of marital distress (fighting) so I use this place as an outlet for
<2022-05-20T06:11:40.000Z> Ghislaine: that
<2022-05-20T06:11:52.000Z> Frosche: oh, that sucks
<2022-05-20T06:12:06.000Z> Ghislaine: Plus since Covid I have basically zero friends in my flesh and blood life
<2022-05-20T06:12:18.000Z> Frosche: tell her about the broken widower you know and make up
<2022-05-20T06:12:39.000Z> Ghislaine: I’ve still got family within sort of reasonable driving distance though which I’m really grateful for
<2022-05-20T06:13:56.000Z> Ghislaine: Ha! I have actually. My spergyness doesn’t go over very well with her a lot of the time which is causing a lot of the trouble. 
<2022-05-20T06:15:03.000Z> Ghislaine: And she’s having a lot of health issues that are putting a big strain on things 
<2022-05-20T06:16:14.000Z> Ghislaine: She randomly became allergic to everything like 2 years ago and our lives turned upside down
<2022-05-20T06:27:19.000Z> Frosche: Ah jeez
<2022-05-20T06:27:40.000Z> Frosche: My wife always had a shitty immune system and we half-jokingly said that if she got covid we'd be in serious trouble
<2022-05-20T06:27:46.000Z> Frosche: >inb4 covid
<2022-05-20T06:28:00.000Z> Frosche: look, it's what put her in the hospital
<2022-05-20T06:28:57.000Z> Frosche: my church grief counselor tried to litigate the legitimacy of covid and I'm like bro if this wasn't my fucking wife I'd be right there with you, but it's easier to say "covid" than rehash the month she was in the godforsaken bed
<2022-05-20T06:29:26.000Z> Ghislaine: Hospitals kill people man
<2022-05-20T06:30:05.000Z> Frosche: yeah nobody was fucking thrilled
<2022-05-20T06:30:21.000Z> Frosche: She didn't want to go to a hospital but I guess her lungs were closing
<2022-05-20T06:30:39.000Z> Frosche: Actually, I'm dropping that, I really don't want to relive that
<2022-05-20T06:42:43.000Z> Ghislaine: Dont 
<2022-05-20T06:45:28.000Z> Ghislaine: I’ll try and cherish my girl better you’re making me guilty 
<2022-05-20T06:47:48.000Z> Frosche: I mean knock on wood and stuff but my wife and I had as close to a dream marriage as two mortal people can and I'm agonizing this hard.  If we had been fighting when I lost her I probably wouldn't be here
<2022-05-20T06:49:10.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah well
<2022-05-20T06:49:53.000Z> Frosche: Yeah, I know
<2022-05-20T06:49:55.000Z> Ghislaine: Having a troubled marriage means you don’t rely on your wife as much and develop support from other people
<2022-05-20T06:50:17.000Z> Frosche: Pros and cons
<2022-05-20T06:50:38.000Z> Ghislaine: But idk I let things get to me more than I need to
<2022-05-20T06:51:50.000Z> Frosche: what kind of things
<2022-05-20T06:53:24.000Z> Ghislaine: She just gets really mad and hurt a lot. I’ll be trying really hard to be good to her and I’ll have good intentions but things just come out wrong idk
<2022-05-20T06:53:37.000Z> Frosche: Oh yeah, been there
<2022-05-20T06:53:50.000Z> Ghislaine: And so then I feel like she hates me and want to go away from her
<2022-05-20T06:53:58.000Z> Frosche: Oh hey hun, it's been uh, 3 days since I asked you to do the dishes "WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME"
<2022-05-20T06:54:04.000Z> Ghislaine: Which then she feels lonely and hurt and abandoned
<2022-05-20T06:55:20.000Z> Frosche: yeah it's like if you create space, they feel ditched but if you can't get some breathing room you're going to snap
<2022-05-20T06:57:06.000Z> Ghislaine: Yep
<2022-05-20T06:57:36.000Z> Frosche: for me, eventually I just stopped caring about the small stuff because it stopped being worth my interest
<2022-05-20T06:57:46.000Z> Frosche: "oh.  she didn't do the dishes.  Oh well"
<2022-05-20T07:02:21.000Z> Ghislaine: Makes sense
<2022-05-20T07:03:20.000Z> Ghislaine: yeah I’m not doing a good enough job of keeping her from feeling awful clearly
<2022-05-20T07:03:46.000Z> Frosche: you learn to treat them like children
<2022-05-20T07:04:11.000Z> Frosche: protect their feelings, praise the shit out of the smallest things they do right, make them feel like you'll always love them
<2022-05-20T07:06:11.000Z> Ghislaine: 😆
<2022-05-20T07:06:34.000Z> Ghislaine: Wise words
<2022-05-20T07:06:54.000Z> Frosche: served me well.  Any time we fought it's because I deviated from this
<2022-05-20T07:07:06.000Z> Frosche: "actually, I'm going to make a point on the principle of this thing"
<2022-05-20T07:07:11.000Z> Frosche: *wife tears*
<2022-05-20T07:08:59.000Z> Ghislaine: My wife is really perceptive of my emotional state
<2022-05-20T07:09:15.000Z> Frosche: oh yeah, women sniff that right out
<2022-05-20T07:09:17.000Z> Ghislaine: she can always tell when I’m troubled by something 
<2022-05-20T07:09:22.000Z> Frosche: no point hiding it
<2022-05-20T07:09:29.000Z> Ghislaine: And then she demands to know
<2022-05-20T07:09:30.000Z> Frosche: which is why you have to internally master not caring
<2022-05-20T07:09:58.000Z> Ghislaine: and then gets really hurt and upset when I tell her if it’s something at all related to her
<2022-05-20T07:10:14.000Z> Ghislaine: It’s like damn it be easier to fool or quit asking
<2022-05-20T07:10:59.000Z> Frosche: I had those talks "look, woman sometimes I'm not going to be happy with what you've done/not done.  Am I supposed to just not say anything?"
<2022-05-20T07:11:29.000Z> Frosche: you have to treat criticism like you're telling a little kid their goldfish died
<2022-05-20T07:11:48.000Z> Frosche: honey I love you and you're the best but it would make my day easier if you did XYZ
<2022-05-20T07:13:27.000Z> Ghislaine: Haha
<2022-05-20T07:16:45.000Z> Frosche: and the worst thing you can do is say YOU need to do this and YOU should've done that
<2022-05-20T07:17:13.000Z> Frosche: everything needs to be "honey *I* need you to do this.  It would help ME if you did this"
<2022-05-20T07:17:22.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah I know to stay away from that one
<2022-05-20T07:21:57.000Z> Ghislaine: Maybe I’ll run some scenarios past you if they come up
<2022-05-20T07:22:26.000Z> Frosche: Go for it.  I became a wizard at communication and woman-pacification
<2022-05-20T07:51:23.000Z> Ghislaine: I gotta go get some sleep man but I hope things look brighter for you in the morning
<2022-05-20T07:52:13.000Z> Frosche: thanks man, take care
<2022-06-10T22:32:30.000Z> Ghislaine: Btw the Bible version Bebe is recommending is catholic and will have catholic (wrong lol) interpretations of everything
<2022-06-10T22:33:21.000Z> Frosche: I saw that it was Catholic but didn't think that would be a big deal. I assumed Cath was just kinda "different" rather than "wrong"
<2022-06-10T22:34:45.000Z> Ghislaine: It will have radically different interpretations of a LOT of things 
<2022-06-10T22:35:29.000Z> Ghislaine: I have one around actually and it’s interesting to crack it open and see what the Catholics think 
<2022-06-10T22:35:47.000Z> Ghislaine: but I wouldn’t pay a whole lot for it
<2022-06-10T22:35:49.000Z> Frosche: Wow. For curiosity's sake, do you know any examples off the top of your head
<2022-06-10T22:36:24.000Z> Ghislaine: When Jesus says “I’m bread you have to eat me” that was literal
<2022-06-10T22:36:37.000Z> Ghislaine: everything else is a metaphor
<2022-06-10T22:36:41.000Z> Frosche: Oh. Yeah that's a hard pill to swallow
<2022-06-10T22:37:32.000Z> Ghislaine: I abide by the metric that generally it’s better to take things literally if possible and the best interpretation will be to take as much literally and without all kinds of weird explanations as possible 
<2022-06-10T22:37:51.000Z> Ghislaine: carholics have these amazingly weird interpretations of a lot of stuff 
<2022-06-10T22:38:15.000Z> Ghislaine: the fundamentals of salvation are also essentially  inverted 
<2022-06-10T22:38:35.000Z> Ghislaine: You have to do the works to go to heaven in catholicism 
<2022-06-10T22:38:41.000Z> Frosche: Well that's like the other night when McNabb was insisting we don't take the Bible literally and we should admit it. Bro, uh I see no reason not to take most of it literally
<2022-06-10T22:39:13.000Z> Frosche: Oh yeah, works don't make sense. Jesus dying for our salvation didn't seem conditional
<2022-06-10T22:39:36.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah I mean it sounded earlier like you’re once saved always saved in your theology
<2022-06-10T22:40:36.000Z> Frosche: To my knowledge, this is the case
<2022-06-10T22:40:40.000Z> Ghislaine: Catholics believe that if you believe and are “saved” and do everything right but then you hit the snooze don’t go to church and die before confess you burn
<2022-06-10T22:41:01.000Z> Ghislaine: It’s honestly insane
<2022-06-10T22:41:19.000Z> Frosche: Like God has rules and expectations but I don't think He sets up traps for us
<2022-06-10T22:41:56.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah
<2022-06-10T22:42:20.000Z> Ghislaine: If youre saved and sin you disappoint god and are punished (on this earth)
<2022-06-10T22:42:33.000Z> Ghislaine: Your reward in heaven might be less too
<2022-06-10T22:42:50.000Z> Ghislaine: Ya know “the last shall be first” etc 
<2022-06-10T22:45:13.000Z> Frosche: Yeah like we don't have free reign to pillage and plunder but what does Jesus's sacrifice mean if you go to hell for breaking nodal nofap
<2022-06-10T22:53:21.000Z> Ghislaine: Yep
<2022-06-10T22:54:41.000Z> Ghislaine: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29
<2022-07-02T20:15:45.000Z> Ghislaine: Bread 
<2022-07-02T22:48:06.000Z> Frosche: Uh. I think you've already been bread
<2022-07-02T22:51:22.000Z> Ghislaine: I’m just keeping the spirits up for us breadheads 
<2022-07-02T22:53:26.000Z> Frosche: Lmao. My spirits are plenty high. I had like 7 people DM me in my first 24 hours 
<2022-07-02T22:53:35.000Z> Ghislaine: LOL
<2022-07-02T22:53:48.000Z> Ghislaine: Who got you?
<2022-07-02T22:54:36.000Z> Frosche: Gunslinger girlI got elf tummy, polpot enthusiast, mushroom soup and a few others
<2022-07-02T23:15:26.000Z> Ghislaine: Nice