<2022-09-22T05:13:34.000Z> General_Tugboat: Remember you from the forum,  glad you are still sharing hilarious content.  
<2022-09-22T05:13:58.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: lol, likewise.
<2022-09-22T05:14:36.000Z> General_Tugboat: Yeah glad there is a nodw
<2022-09-22T05:14:38.000Z> General_Tugboat: node
<2022-09-22T05:14:48.000Z> General_Tugboat: Fuck not used to instant chat
<2022-09-22T05:14:52.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: lol
<2022-09-22T05:15:25.000Z> General_Tugboat: Had some exchanges on Kiwi,  sucks what happened,  just trying to get back in contact with old users on there.
<2022-09-22T05:15:59.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah I'm hoping it will come back on long enough to get ahold of some people there.
<2022-09-22T05:16:45.000Z> General_Tugboat: I am sort of finding some of the refugees to a degree
<2022-09-22T05:17:33.000Z> General_Tugboat: A lot of those that used the forum because of censorship or deplatforming purposes seem to have migrated over here.
<2022-09-22T05:18:22.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah there's a few boomers that didn't though, so I'll have to help them set up irc or something
<2022-09-22T05:19:22.000Z> General_Tugboat: Good idea,  have to say the boomers from the happenings where pretty cool.   Posts where very interesting,  I migrated to lolcow threads since I did my frequenting there,  but still was a good read from a lot of people.
<2022-09-22T05:19:35.000Z> General_Tugboat: were*
<2022-09-22T05:20:39.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: I mostly kept to chat when I wasn't posting random funnies to the various image boards.
<2022-09-22T05:20:47.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: a lot of those people didn't make the shift.
<2022-09-22T05:21:21.000Z> General_Tugboat: Yeah I am coming to find that,  the fediverse instance was a bit of a pain to join,  only because the massive onflux
<2022-09-22T05:21:41.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: and pool's closed now, so if they didn't get on they might now try again for a while.
<2022-09-22T05:21:42.000Z> General_Tugboat: Then once registrations opened back up,  people seemed to forget about it.   
<2022-09-22T05:21:53.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: Last I heard it was still closed.
<2022-09-22T05:21:59.000Z> General_Tugboat: Somehow I was able to migrate here in the wee hours yesterday
<2022-09-22T05:22:53.000Z> General_Tugboat: I wanted to join couple weeks ago, but gave me some registration errors, and then I found the gouldy lox time I guess.
<2022-09-22T05:22:59.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: hm, well I'll try to get them to join in then.
<2022-09-22T05:23:13.000Z> General_Tugboat: Yeah because I joined in last night
<2022-09-22T05:24:02.000Z> General_Tugboat: Try to see on a private window or another browser you are not logged in on that the node sign up info changed.
<2022-09-22T05:24:27.000Z> General_Tugboat: Somehow I managed to get in yesterday.
<2022-09-22T05:25:01.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: big issue now is I worry some won't come back if the farms do reappear, because of the hack.
<2022-09-22T05:25:12.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: some of the people in chat have bigboy jobs, some in government.
<2022-09-22T05:25:18.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: wouldn't blame them for being scared.
<2022-09-22T05:25:53.000Z> General_Tugboat: I agree about that
<2022-09-22T05:26:22.000Z> General_Tugboat: Though the compromise I think was an exploited flaw by script kiddies
<2022-09-22T05:26:32.000Z> General_Tugboat: No way the paste bin wasn't already released
<2022-09-22T05:26:40.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: It was, but it could have been worse.
<2022-09-22T05:26:57.000Z> General_Tugboat: Wasn't it only 11 users?
<2022-09-22T05:27:17.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: that's news to me, did that come out in the last day or so?
<2022-09-22T05:27:39.000Z> General_Tugboat: I was frequenting around onion for that info I'll send a link
<2022-09-22T05:27:42.000Z> General_Tugboat: Paste bin was gone
<2022-09-22T05:27:49.000Z> General_Tugboat: I think it was archived though...
<2022-09-22T05:30:51.000Z> General_Tugboat: web.archive.org/web/20220905014020/https://pastebin.com/DPdTrSCL
<2022-09-22T05:31:16.000Z> General_Tugboat: Source thread:  onionfarms.com/threads/kf-general.2568/page-29
<2022-09-22T05:31:32.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: huh
<2022-09-22T05:32:01.000Z> General_Tugboat: Pulled up webarchive
<2022-09-22T05:32:11.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah i got it.
<2022-09-22T05:32:14.000Z> General_Tugboat: Onion was talking about this a couple of days ago
<2022-09-22T05:32:55.000Z> General_Tugboat: Wouldn't know if it wasn't on mainline Twitter, anywhere else would be hosting the compromise if it was successful 
<2022-09-22T05:33:17.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah i'm trying to confirm some of the info with someone who would know
<2022-09-22T05:34:18.000Z> General_Tugboat: I think it is unlikely because when I read the tech aspects from the post that Josh made.  Yeah they fucked up the last step with keeping that script running correctly.
<2022-09-22T05:34:38.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: apparently some of it matches what is known
<2022-09-22T05:35:18.000Z> General_Tugboat: I think honestly it was a script kiddie trying to do some high level work that wasn't achievable
<2022-09-22T05:35:40.000Z> General_Tugboat: People give these "holes," more credit than they give.   
<2022-09-22T05:35:47.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: trying to pull the entire userlist at once was pretty sloppy
<2022-09-22T05:36:05.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: and this stuff might be from older leaks.
<2022-09-22T05:36:21.000Z> General_Tugboat: Bandwidth draw is the fundamental aspect that I would have to say debunks it
<2022-09-22T05:36:36.000Z> General_Tugboat: From time of exploit to when it was caught was to minimal
<2022-09-22T05:36:53.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah I doubt they could have pulled a partial file or anything
<2022-09-22T05:37:03.000Z> General_Tugboat: Would have been corrupted 
<2022-09-22T05:37:17.000Z> General_Tugboat: Too much data flowing at once
<2022-09-22T05:37:19.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: it's likely just assembled from previous leaks or just general info and then presented in a way to gaslight that it's real and from the hack.
<2022-09-22T05:37:30.000Z> General_Tugboat: I agree
<2022-09-22T05:37:50.000Z> General_Tugboat: Would have dropped by now
<2022-09-22T05:38:34.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: depends on how egotistical they are.
<2022-09-22T05:38:46.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: the twitter account that's been taking credit for it seems way up their own ass.
<2022-09-22T05:38:48.000Z> General_Tugboat: I doubt that in the troonshine community besides their basic templating knowledge and simple copy pasta javascript capability they understand much more than that
<2022-09-22T05:39:03.000Z> General_Tugboat: I seen this, the previous message was what I read of that.
<2022-09-22T05:39:07.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: I really doubt this is the troons at work.
<2022-09-22T05:39:18.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: it's likely groups like the ADL just using keffles as a smokescreen
<2022-09-22T05:39:34.000Z> General_Tugboat: I agree but I use the troonshine as a meme example
<2022-09-22T05:39:40.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yea
<2022-09-22T05:40:11.000Z> General_Tugboat: I think if anything it is kids at play
<2022-09-22T05:40:26.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: troons would know rust the best
<2022-09-22T05:41:04.000Z> General_Tugboat: Rust I am a unfamiliar with,  but I do know programming and hardline things regarding hardware  
<2022-09-22T05:41:11.000Z> General_Tugboat: What is being expected is impractical
<2022-09-22T05:43:04.000Z> General_Tugboat: PHP exploits with modern standards with the forum of that size would dictate that such an exploit would take a lot of time to transpire.   
<2022-09-22T05:43:31.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah idk about the iframe stuff null mentioned as the attack vector via chat.
<2022-09-22T05:43:37.000Z> General_Tugboat: Not too familar with RUST,  but have to assume current PDO standards would circumvent an injection hyupe
<2022-09-22T05:44:11.000Z> General_Tugboat: Injection leaks are the most common form of malware attack, because if not common PHP dynamics are used.  Databases can be exploited.
<2022-09-22T05:45:23.000Z> General_Tugboat: I would have to assume,  the safeguards that were presented in the server before hand because of the common exploit hikes were holed.   More than likely no one was able to grab anything,  unless Null is a complete buffon.
<2022-09-22T05:46:01.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: when it comes to rust, I am led to believe he is.
<2022-09-22T05:46:30.000Z> General_Tugboat: Yeah because I learned stuff a bit different when coming to programming,  I hear about RUST to a degree
<2022-09-22T05:47:37.000Z> General_Tugboat: Though,  these type of frameworks do have their flaws.   Though most of the time from conventical standards those type of injection compromises have been resolved better to a degree.
<2022-09-22T05:48:05.000Z> General_Tugboat: Though,  doesn't matter because who the heck knows lol
<2022-09-22T05:48:22.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: ye
<2022-09-22T05:48:42.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: I doubt they could get that much info from an IP anyhow
<2022-09-22T05:48:45.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: unless they are feds.
<2022-09-22T05:48:58.000Z> General_Tugboat: IP info rehashes every day or so
<2022-09-22T05:49:10.000Z> General_Tugboat: Plus doesn't exactly route to your location
<2022-09-22T05:49:14.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yea
<2022-09-22T05:49:17.000Z> General_Tugboat: Other elements come to play with that
<2022-09-22T05:49:28.000Z> General_Tugboat: Mere approximations,  why I think it was kids too
<2022-09-22T05:49:35.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: unless they had their actual name in their email or something that tied directly to their real name/info
<2022-09-22T05:49:43.000Z> General_Tugboat: The IP argument in basic networking is ridicolous
<2022-09-22T05:49:59.000Z> General_Tugboat: Well in that case you'd have to have access to the account 
<2022-09-22T05:50:15.000Z> General_Tugboat: Whether or not their algorithm for dehashing the signature was adaquate
<2022-09-22T05:50:28.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: I think null said that email address was a part of the data that they tried to get
<2022-09-22T05:50:46.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: so if they used their actual name gmail account or something they're in trouble
<2022-09-22T05:51:12.000Z> General_Tugboat: Well I have to say in order to get the actual credientals, that hasing algorithm have to work pretty hard
<2022-09-22T05:52:06.000Z> General_Tugboat: Plus if you have 15,000+ active users and how ever many guest instances you'd have to deceipher over a month period 24/hr's a day
<2022-09-22T05:53:07.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: well he said that xenforo specifically has a feature to export username, email, last login, ban status, ip, etc etc.
<2022-09-22T05:53:32.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: and trying to get that for the whole site is what killed the connection
<2022-09-22T05:53:56.000Z> General_Tugboat: Well yeah bandwidth overload because something in the threading was wrong
<2022-09-22T05:56:01.000Z> General_Tugboat: Unless when Josh when tried reverse engineering the Xeno software made massive leak (which indeed can be a significant possibility.)  Unlikable much was compromised.  
<2022-09-22T05:56:23.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: or it wasn't designed with that many users in mind.
<2022-09-22T05:56:36.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: and so blew chunks when such a file was requested
<2022-09-22T05:56:44.000Z> General_Tugboat: It is,  that is the most popular and modern forum software to date
<2022-09-22T05:57:03.000Z> General_Tugboat: Follows current PDO standards from what I see
<2022-09-22T05:57:25.000Z> General_Tugboat: Just that is more or less dependant the server admins draw to that data
<2022-09-22T05:59:18.000Z> General_Tugboat: Not the software but rather the host that it points to,  Josh again was running such a big forum that backed up data constantly on something so small
<2022-09-22T05:59:32.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yea
<2022-09-22T05:59:42.000Z> General_Tugboat: I am a bit amazed how he could do it to be honest
<2022-09-22T05:59:56.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: sheer autismal tenacity
<2022-09-22T06:00:12.000Z> General_Tugboat: Have to be
<2022-09-22T06:00:34.000Z> General_Tugboat: Those type of exploits are hard to counteract,  why I don't believe he wasn't proficent in networking
<2022-09-22T06:01:07.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: I only buy it because his experience in rust is limited.
<2022-09-22T06:01:10.000Z> General_Tugboat: Takes teams of people to manage that bulk of information from the constant leaks
<2022-09-22T06:01:40.000Z> General_Tugboat: Why I tend to believe my theory a bit more
<2022-09-22T06:02:23.000Z> General_Tugboat: No way it would be that compromized
<2022-09-22T06:04:13.000Z> General_Tugboat: But could be lol 
<2022-09-22T06:04:27.000Z> General_Tugboat: Just throwing shit against the wall to see if it sticks
<2022-09-22T06:04:29.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: hope not lol
<2022-09-22T06:04:45.000Z> General_Tugboat: Is what it is I suppose
<2022-09-22T06:05:32.000Z> General_Tugboat: Just don't glow harder than Chernobyl and people be fine
<2022-09-22T06:06:04.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: yeah, for now.
<2022-09-22T06:07:07.000Z> General_Tugboat: Well if anything from I know from the legal system that applies is prescience,  currently retroactive "crimes," aren't possibly mandated.    
<2022-09-22T06:07:42.000Z> General_Tugboat: Unless again you are breaking a current law,  which freedom of expression still applies.
<2022-09-22T06:07:48.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: no, but the definition of violent speech being being widened constantly.
<2022-09-22T06:08:03.000Z> General_Tugboat: Freedom of Expression protects against that
<2022-09-22T06:08:06.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: so eventually anything they don't like will just be illegal.
<2022-09-22T06:08:07.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: Hah
<2022-09-22T06:08:17.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: words on paper don't mean much.
<2022-09-22T06:08:54.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: they're already jailing people for hate speech
<2022-09-22T06:08:55.000Z> General_Tugboat: I suppose.  Though the legal parameters of speech and expression are paramount
<2022-09-22T06:09:29.000Z> General_Tugboat: Why commonwealth countries have such flaws because of that distinction
<2022-09-22T06:09:50.000Z> Forgetful_Gynn: true but the existence of any carveouts for free speech means that it's only a matter of time
<2022-09-22T06:10:02.000Z> General_Tugboat: Why they want to attack speech,  to make it into expression.    Even though the two constitutional frameworks are different
<2022-09-22T06:10:38.000Z> General_Tugboat: Though this is the first step of redefinining it,  which I agree
<2022-09-22T06:11:54.000Z> General_Tugboat: Why something like this against "freedom of speech," being matched as expression is a constitutional issue.   Even how ridiculous that sounds.
<2022-09-22T06:12:11.000Z> General_Tugboat: Again have to peer in the autistic buffalo cube, lol