<2022-09-22T05:40:16.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: TriggerMeElmo?
<2022-09-22T05:40:19.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Guess who!
<2022-09-22T05:41:06.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital attached file https://ncd.nice-cdn.xyz/ef39fef3b66b8f310c76918b9b39ce670bfff2e1b30488323c980bf3ef98e152.jpg
<2022-09-23T08:37:47.000Z> Elmo: yo
<2022-09-24T05:14:09.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Very nice to see you here too- you were always pretty awesome to talk to in the Internet Famous/Gunt subforum IRC chat
<2022-09-24T05:16:31.000Z> Elmo: Hey thanks! I try to be as amicable as possible.
<2022-09-24T05:16:42.000Z> Elmo: You're a cool guy, King of Diamonds.
<2022-09-24T05:16:50.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Thank you! :)
<2022-09-24T05:17:30.000Z> Elmo: We're fragmented but still whole. Just waiting for the word from Josh as it were. Some people are really coming apart at the seams because the site is down.
<2022-09-24T05:17:39.000Z> Elmo: It's only been, what, 4-5 days? lol
<2022-09-24T05:18:23.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like the hacker flat-out failed to get the user data (eMails, passwords, etc.) from the forum's data breach... otherwise it all would have been leaked by now
<2022-09-24T05:18:23.000Z> Elmo: IDK, I just wanted to make jokes about silly people, not take on other people's problems lol
<2022-09-24T05:18:48.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I am so fucking happy I changed my eMail and Password tied to my KF account a week and a half before today's data breach lol. Hopefully Josh wasn't archiving old info (usernames, passwords, etc.) for 30 or 60 days like some websites do because that could create problems for alot of people (myself included)
<2022-09-24T05:18:58.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Granted- the old eMail I used was a .su domain I own (and literally only use as an eMail inbox) and it didn't have anything dox-worthy (ex. name or anything) and the password was a combination fo letters, characters, caps and non-caps, and symbols.But still- hopefully that didn't get compromised.I'm currently in the process of ditching the .su eMail anyways and getting a lavabit.com eMail (same encrypted eMail edward snowden uses- unlike Protonmail, they don't give a shit about US court subpoenas)
<2022-09-24T05:19:22.000Z> Elmo: This is true. As per my understanding that there is no discernable data breach, Josh is attending to other matters (or it could be just a convenient way to sail under the weather, as it were, to avoid further conflict for now).
<2022-09-24T05:19:52.000Z> Elmo: He says to assume the worst but don't become paranoid over it either.
<2022-09-24T05:20:08.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: The other factor was I own a bunch of different .ru and .su domains, which to own the rights to you more or less have to send the Russian Government a scanned copy of your passport and pay them to renew it... with the sanctions and visa, mastercard, american express, and SWIFT no longer operating in Russia I don't think I would have been able to renew those domains anyways... the domain registrar I was with flat-out said that while they will renew .ru and .su domains they have no means to register new ones
<2022-09-24T05:20:09.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: And that was an entirely separate issue from anything Kiwi Farms or data breach related
<2022-09-24T05:20:10.000Z> Elmo: There's a phrase I've seen thrown around a bit
<2022-09-24T05:20:22.000Z> Elmo: "Don't say anything you wouldn't want our own name or face attached to it"
<2022-09-24T05:20:50.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: The only concern I have is all the smear pieces about Kiwi Farms circulating around the media right now... and the fact I may have used certain words that would get you permabanned on Twitter, Facebook, etc. as part of my shitposting kek
<2022-09-24T05:21:01.000Z> Elmo: That's a bit more on the "holy shit everything is on fire" side of things but I mean, how much /zomg this could really get me into trouble/ stuff were you posting?
<2022-09-24T05:21:12.000Z> Elmo: I mean yeah, okay.
<2022-09-24T05:21:24.000Z> Elmo: Not reason to lose your nerve either
<2022-09-24T05:21:28.000Z> Elmo: No reason*
<2022-09-24T05:22:23.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Thanks, I appreciate the input
<2022-09-24T05:22:42.000Z> Elmo: The less you think about it the better off you are.
<2022-09-24T05:22:48.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Also I'm really suprised Josh never bothered to create www.kiwifarms.so (Somalia). They're too busy dealing with cannibal warlords, khat smugglers, and elephant poachers to bother with the trannisaries
<2022-09-24T05:23:01.000Z> Elmo: Because in all likelihood anyone who could or would care has much more important things to go after than your little old self
<2022-09-24T05:23:24.000Z> Elmo: Well he did mention North Korea, where the fuck is our Sentinel Island email accounts?
<2022-09-24T05:23:43.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: That was by far the funniest part of the Jim and Josh stream
<2022-09-24T05:23:53.000Z> Elmo: Well that and the Ho Ho Holocaust bit.
<2022-09-24T05:24:10.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: "Why yes- I have in fact contacted the North Korean government about setting up kiwifarms.kp. They said thank you but we are not interested at this time"
<2022-09-24T05:24:24.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I kind of figured kiwifarms.ru was not long for this world
<2022-09-24T05:24:36.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Russia has extremely hefty hate speech and holocaust denial laws
<2022-09-24T05:24:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Murder in the 1st degree max sentence is 10 years. max sentence for incitement of racial hatred is 8 years
<2022-09-24T05:25:06.000Z> Elmo: well yes it offends their christian sensibilities
<2022-09-24T05:25:09.000Z> Elmo: whatever the fuck that means
<2022-09-24T05:25:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I do think it's bizarre that DDOS-Guard has no problem whatsoever providing services to fucking Hamas but Kiwi Farms is just too much
<2022-09-24T05:25:58.000Z> Elmo: anyway i am glad to see you're one of the few who isn't having a meltdown because the site is on hiatus
<2022-09-24T05:26:31.000Z> Elmo: too many lunatics are losing their minds over this and I hate to simply say 'touch grass' but I'm also not their therapist so I kind of understand but jfc
<2022-09-24T05:26:45.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Oh no I kind of figured this kind of thing would happen eventually- it's better than the "alternative meltdown" I thought would potentially kill off the site
<2022-09-24T05:27:01.000Z> Elmo: what would that be?
<2022-09-24T05:28:10.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Wherein somebody (probably somebody very political) uses dox information on Kiwi Farms to hunt down and murder people he disagrees with (ex. an neo-nazi using dox info on kiwi farms to hunt down and murder breadtubers like Vaush and Contrapoints or something) and then writing up some manifesto explicitly thanking Josh for "helping him" by compiling all the info he needed in one place to find out where they lived
<2022-09-24T05:28:39.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Or the more based version of that where somebody uses dox info on Kiwi Farms to hunt down and murder each and every one of the zoosadists
<2022-09-24T05:29:42.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I figured if there was one major catastrophic media shitshow that nearly killed Kiwi Farms it would be something like that or what we just saw happen in reality (smear pieces to try and make the farms look like specifically a anti-trans hate website that facilitates swatting and harrasment)
<2022-09-24T05:33:01.000Z> Elmo: i guess something something section 230 yadayada this whole fiasco has shown that companies will bend the knee for less blablabla
<2022-09-24T05:35:54.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I am actually very surprised by what you're telling me- alot of people don't want to use the site anymore?
<2022-09-24T05:36:22.000Z> Elmo: no no no
<2022-09-24T05:37:21.000Z> Elmo: im saying that what you're talking about is far from the reality which is in fact that webhosting companies are pussies
<2022-09-24T05:37:33.000Z> Elmo: it doesnt take multiple murders in the name of KF
<2022-09-24T05:38:13.000Z> Elmo: it just needs a reality where a bunch of oppression points stack up at the right time to get some news coverage to blindside the farms
<2022-09-24T05:38:29.000Z> Elmo: in this case, keffals is an opportunist
<2022-09-24T05:38:46.000Z> Elmo: all of this happened because of luck and timing
<2022-09-24T05:39:25.000Z> Elmo: not because of some deranged idiot who took the lives of a busload of school children and nuns
<2022-09-24T05:39:30.000Z> Elmo: does this make sense?
<2022-09-24T05:39:55.000Z> Elmo: BTW feds: no deranged idiot exists, there is not bus with kids and nuns
<2022-09-24T05:39:59.000Z> Elmo: thx for reading
<2022-09-24T05:40:11.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Of course- I also think certain things went really really well for keffals in the beggining- to use an autistic metaphor of the early success of Operation Barbarossa
<2022-09-24T05:40:43.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: 1. Keffals was smart enough to make #DropKiwiFarms strictly a "trans-only issue" and not allow other lolcows with sordid histories like Fredrick Brennan and Ethan Ralph to join the party
<2022-09-24T05:41:12.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: 2. Mastercard and Visa put pressure on Cloudflare to specifically drop Kiwi Farms or else they would not act as a payment processor for them
<2022-09-24T05:42:20.000Z> Elmo: see this is why i like you because we are discussing issues not some sort of weird vendetta scenario
<2022-09-24T05:42:24.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: 3. This happened a few months after extreme sanctions were put on Russia that explicitly forbid US services (namely, accounting firms and legal services) to provide goods and services to "those with ties to Russian Business"- this is what Keffals and the gang used as legal precident for the current, ongoing attempts to deprive Josh of legal council and an agent (because apparently living in *ukraine* for a few years classified you as having business ties to Russian firms)
<2022-09-24T05:42:41.000Z> Elmo: in the broader scheme of things, who knows, slow news week, what have you
<2022-09-24T05:42:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: "weird vendetta scenario"?
<2022-09-24T05:43:11.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: You mean like the irish guy who fedposted brighter than the sun in that one thread?
<2022-09-24T05:43:28.000Z> Elmo: that, or vordrak, i think i dont really need to go further with that
<2022-09-24T05:44:06.000Z> Elmo: since the fatman himself is going to have vordrak on next week, lol, sure, have a champagne party in your hovels you call "studies" to the company of no one
<2022-09-24T05:44:25.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Vordrak is so 2014 at this point- he's developed early onset dementia. He thinks AnOminous is the CEO of cloudflare lol
<2022-09-24T05:44:46.000Z> Elmo: sam's an idiot. yeah
<2022-09-24T05:44:48.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: No matter what happens Keffals will never be a real woman and Ethan Ralph will never be able to own a firearm
<2022-09-24T05:44:56.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: That's another slogan I've heard alot of lol
<2022-09-24T05:45:13.000Z> Elmo: ralph will never lose his flesh apron
<2022-09-24T05:45:40.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Did you see PPP and Warki's "bog hog" video?
<2022-09-24T05:46:08.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I know alot of people were vehemetly anti-kino casino for a long time due to the powerchat scandal but I thought it was a very light-hearted video we really needed in a time like this
<2022-09-24T05:46:18.000Z> Elmo: yeah it was mildly amusing. you can obviously tell where the editing happens
<2022-09-24T05:46:27.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Finding an actual store called "Gaming Gators" was classic
<2022-09-24T05:46:35.000Z> Elmo: i think cog's a stick in the mud
<2022-09-24T05:46:55.000Z> Elmo: yeah it was amusing, try not to look beyond past the jokes
<2022-09-24T05:47:05.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I made a big post on my account as to why I left poa.st and created a new account on nicecrew.digital
<2022-09-24T05:47:07.000Z> Elmo: like holy fuck, this guy must be a laugh riot at parties
<2022-09-24T05:47:20.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Apparently poa.st allows loli- I have no tolerance whatsoever for that shit
<2022-09-24T05:47:22.000Z> Elmo: i dont care about who does what on which fedi instance
<2022-09-24T05:47:36.000Z> Elmo: ill ditch this one as quickly as kf is stable and ill sneed
<2022-09-24T05:47:48.000Z> Elmo: the less shit i have on my mobile phone the better
<2022-09-24T05:47:50.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Yeah Cog is a stick in the mud
<2022-09-24T05:48:05.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Never talked to them- but I've heard alot of really nasty stuff about MetokurFembot too
<2022-09-24T05:48:23.000Z> Elmo: i could go into that but i don't have the patience for it atm
<2022-09-24T05:48:31.000Z> Elmo: its really needless ill put it that way
<2022-09-24T05:48:38.000Z> Elmo: very easy to ignore
<2022-09-24T05:49:11.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Metokurfembot or different fediverse instances?
<2022-09-24T05:49:26.000Z> Elmo: well both in actuality
<2022-09-24T05:49:46.000Z> Elmo: block feature who cares i dont have the time to argue with paedos
<2022-09-24T05:49:46.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I understand
<2022-09-24T05:50:08.000Z> Elmo: im friendly with almost everyone so long as they check their baggage at the door
<2022-09-24T05:50:56.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Chomos are the one group of people I instablock. If someone's just sperging out at me or being annoying I let them make an embarrassment of themselves if they really want to
<2022-09-24T05:50:59.000Z> Elmo: too many know-it-alls and contrarians on imageboards/whatever the fuck you want to call these drama channels/forums
<2022-09-24T05:51:26.000Z> Elmo: right but i dont make a fuss over it
<2022-09-24T05:51:32.000Z> Elmo: into the trash it goes, done
<2022-09-24T05:51:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I see. I really do hope the forum survives all this
<2022-09-24T05:52:10.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Because Josh said there's a very real chance it might be killed off
<2022-09-24T05:52:44.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: But then again- if Kiwi Farms goes down then a trilion little remnant/splinter sites will just spring up (kind of like the Balkanization of Yugoslavia lol)
<2022-09-24T05:52:51.000Z> Elmo: yeah but you cant kill ideas
<2022-09-24T05:53:28.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I would argue you very much can- when was the last time you ever talked to a Cathar or someone who still worships the Ancient Greek gods?
<2022-09-24T05:53:46.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It's just with the internet it's infinitely harder
<2022-09-24T05:54:25.000Z> Elmo: well saying troons mad is a bit of a different argument than talking about who makes lightning
<2022-09-24T05:55:06.000Z> Elmo: i have a hard time conveying these thoughts accurately to people considering I've seen my own communities fragmented at least 8 or so times
<2022-09-24T05:55:37.000Z> Elmo: im moreso used to it than other people so I don't really make too many qualms about it when it happens
<2022-09-24T05:56:09.000Z> Elmo: who knows maybe kenneth will come out on top of all of this and everyone will be able to wave their flags in the shit parade
<2022-09-24T05:56:26.000Z> Elmo: i just wonder if people think i should be upset or what
<2022-09-24T05:57:20.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I've been around the block too- early 4chan during chanology and the "hackers on steroids" fiasco, 8chan, Dvach (2ch.hk), Something Awful, ED, PVCC (yes- the original Chris-Chan Forum)... even TOTSE during dial-up
<2022-09-24T05:57:30.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOTSE
<2022-09-24T05:57:51.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Not really a "trolling website" but early 2000's newgrounds was fucking bananas too
<2022-09-24T05:58:42.000Z> Elmo: haha what was that one school shooter flash game
<2022-09-24T05:59:17.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I do eventually think the Balkanization of the internet is coming (ex. American internet, EU internet, Russian internet, Chinese internet, Islamic Internet, and African Union Internet)
<2022-09-24T05:59:26.000Z> Elmo: pico that's it
<2022-09-24T05:59:40.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Kindergarden Killer was another one
<2022-09-24T05:59:55.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: The NRA specifically cited that as a cause for school shootings
<2022-09-24T06:00:03.000Z> Elmo: yeah idk i dont really care about what ifs in the present age
<2022-09-24T06:01:43.000Z> Elmo: i am concerned about it because it affects a few of my goals
<2022-09-24T06:02:00.000Z> Elmo: i am concerned about substance abuse and proper treatment and prevention methods
<2022-09-24T06:02:05.000Z> Elmo: that scares me
<2022-09-24T06:02:53.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Concerned about what?
<2022-09-24T06:03:09.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I think the fediverse shit the bed for a few seconds so I might have missed a message or two
<2022-09-24T06:04:34.000Z> Elmo: changing how people speak on the internet
<2022-09-24T06:04:48.000Z> Elmo: the technology, the vocabulary, what you are and aren't allowed to say
<2022-09-24T06:05:06.000Z> Elmo: like that it is no longer "substance abuse" but "substance abuse disorder" or something similar
<2022-09-24T06:06:01.000Z> Elmo: as though sobriety should be some virtue or something rather than the standard
<2022-09-24T06:07:07.000Z> Elmo: men in dresses changing the way if its okay to not give kids titty skittles yes i have a problem
<2022-09-24T06:07:17.000Z> Elmo: that's mostly my bottom line with this
<2022-09-24T06:07:48.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Newspeak, yeah. Not to get too tin-foily here but I definitely think that the "powers that be" (politicians, corporations, certain heads of major religions, etc.) desire sobriety to become less and less of a standard
<2022-09-24T06:08:25.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Kraut, obviously, is an extreme lolcow... but me made a damn good video not too long ago explaining how Vodka has been deliberately used by multiple governments in Russia as a means of control
<2022-09-24T06:08:56.000Z> Elmo: oh it certainly has
<2022-09-24T06:09:16.000Z> Elmo: it helps that it carries all sorts of horrible diseases with it
<2022-09-24T06:09:19.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Vodka was only legally allowed to be manufactured by the government (so every bottle of vodka was property of the Tsar/Chairman of the Communist Party), they designed the vodka bottles to not be able to be screwed back shut to encourage people to down the whole thing in one sitting
<2022-09-24T06:09:51.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I really do think that's the goal with the big push nationwide (in the US) to legalize marijuana. Either that or marijuana will just turn into what Big Tobacco did to tobacco
<2022-09-24T06:09:58.000Z> Elmo: this is why grids was so ingenius for the CIA it kills off the fags, blacks and the junkies
<2022-09-24T06:10:08.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It also helps that Marijuana can lower your IQ and critical thinking skills
<2022-09-24T06:10:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: There's actually a book I own that was banned from Amazon called the "transgender industrial complex"
<2022-09-24T06:11:45.000Z> Elmo: well i believe for the longest time chemists could obtain 90%+ alcohol for laboratory purposes
<2022-09-24T06:11:51.000Z> Elmo: without taxation, yes?
<2022-09-24T06:12:00.000Z> Elmo: but too many people drinking the juice
<2022-09-24T06:13:09.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Insulin, for example, costs only a handful of dollars to manufacture but healthcare companies sell it to people who need it to live at a markup of %5000 typically because they are greedy pigs and because they can... now you tell me big pharma and insurance companies don't have a financial reason to sell HRT treatments, outright macabe plastic surgery procedures, and the grandaddy of them al- opioid pain medicine to treat what is caused by the first two things I mentioned (Keffals has explicitly stated they are addicted to opioids from the surgery they got in thailand)
<2022-09-24T06:14:12.000Z> Elmo: oh i know
<2022-09-24T06:14:20.000Z> Elmo: i know
<2022-09-24T06:14:41.000Z> Elmo: you have to be stupid to not see this cycle happening in front of your eyes
<2022-09-24T06:15:20.000Z> Elmo: chemical dependency is brutal
<2022-09-24T06:15:39.000Z> Elmo: and if its not illicit then its other things like sugar or transfats
<2022-09-24T06:15:41.000Z> Elmo: yadayada
<2022-09-24T06:18:23.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Without powerlevelling too much I drank extremely heavily during a portion of my life, and started at an early age. In many ways it was a means of coping with mental health struggles and family issues. It's obviously not for everybody for changing my religion and finding peace through that has helped me immensely- I haven't had a drop to drink since two months before I officially became a member.
<2022-09-24T06:19:29.000Z> Elmo: hear hear going on two years sober three years from tobacco
<2022-09-24T06:20:26.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Funny enough I never smoked cigarettes- I did, however, some a cigar every weekend from the day I turned 18 until the day I turned 21. The night before I turned 21 I had a very vivid nightmare of all my teeth falling out and I was just so disgusted when I woke up I quit cold-turkey right then and there
<2022-09-24T06:20:29.000Z> Elmo: overall the emotion i get is just contentment
<2022-09-24T06:21:15.000Z> Elmo: lol okay 
<2022-09-24T06:21:28.000Z> Elmo: everyone's mileage may vary or whatever that phrase is
<2022-09-24T06:21:40.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I am very happy for you :)
<2022-09-24T06:23:15.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Who would have thought two notorious members of the Neo-Nazi Trans Death Machine Swat-Central and Brenton Tarrants favorite website could have such a civil discussion lol
<2022-09-24T06:24:07.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I mean it's not even like all the journalists had to *lie* to make up a good story for clicks because the whole scenario with Keffals is unusual and the site has a very rich and colorful history but they just had to push a narrative along with their write-ups
<2022-09-24T06:24:28.000Z> Elmo: im very amicable and un-offensive to most people because I understand how to be sociable
<2022-09-24T06:24:44.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It would have been a legitimately interesting story for the average joe to read if they had just reported the facts and nothing else
<2022-09-24T06:24:45.000Z> Elmo: and not have to lose my nerve and start complaining about jews or women or black people
<2022-09-24T06:24:49.000Z> Elmo: like holy shit
<2022-09-24T06:25:05.000Z> Elmo: the tribalism aspect is totally egregious
<2022-09-24T06:25:25.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Oh it's deliberate divide and conquer by the "powers that be"
<2022-09-24T06:26:26.000Z> Elmo: because it evolves in five stages and for online retards it goes from "everything sucks" to "my life sucks" then they find 4chan "im better than those people, they suck"
<2022-09-24T06:26:32.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It's why occupy wall street and other social movements targeting stuff like wealth inequality and the influence of corporations over government got aborted in record time like Andy Warski's baby and why Identity Politics and both "SJWs" and the Alt-Right filled in the void and were heavily promoted by the powers-that be
<2022-09-24T06:26:35.000Z> Elmo: good grief what a miserable existence
<2022-09-24T06:27:27.000Z> Elmo: keffals in stage four of that tribalism of "we're great" and if they went further it would be "life is great and kf can do what they want"
<2022-09-24T06:27:39.000Z> Elmo: but not possible because $$$
<2022-09-24T06:28:04.000Z> Elmo: yeah idpol is absolutely disgusting
<2022-09-24T06:29:16.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It really is just bizarre though that Keffals, of all people- someone with a political career worse than Sargon's (and that is a hell of a achievement to unlock) and used to moonlight as a niche fetish porn actor summored the clout and networks needed to cripple the site in the span of a few months of buildup
<2022-09-24T06:29:38.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I would have figured it would be someone like Bella's dad- who apparently is a real former Seal Team 6 veteran and owner of a Cybersecurity firm
<2022-09-24T06:30:39.000Z> Elmo: idk how many times does this still happen https://i.poastcdn.org/14d0d5a5b84d73d269452a69c8e0bbd3118ba6897507042b3939caa62d07ca96.jpg
<2022-09-24T06:31:23.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: that picture is ignoring so many huge factors
<2022-09-24T06:31:33.000Z> Elmo: well no shit
<2022-09-24T06:31:39.000Z> Elmo: where are white women on this chart
<2022-09-24T06:31:42.000Z> Elmo: or jewish women
<2022-09-24T06:31:56.000Z> Elmo: or is that asking too many questions
<2022-09-24T06:32:18.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Paying men more than women or vice versa has been literally illegal since 1963
<2022-09-24T06:32:54.000Z> Elmo: but we have this nice chart here
<2022-09-24T06:33:28.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: lol- reminds me of something I saw on the (ashamed to admit I used to watch this joker) Nostalgia Critic once
<2022-09-24T06:33:32.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: "BUT THE CHART SAYS..."
<2022-09-24T06:33:40.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: "I'm not asking the chart- I'm asking you!"
<2022-09-24T06:36:26.000Z> Elmo: the sad thing is that above it all is that you have to be better than your enemies despite all of your instincts and impulses telling you otherwise
<2022-09-24T06:36:49.000Z> Elmo: which fundamentally sucks and why it is faggy to just "roll with the punches" or what have you
<2022-09-24T06:37:18.000Z> Elmo: you would think decency and common sense would prevail
<2022-09-24T06:38:17.000Z> Elmo: i guess that stuff only affects you as much as you allow it to
<2022-09-24T06:39:03.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I mean... considering the list of enemies al of us have these days being better than them isn't too hard thankfully
<2022-09-24T06:39:43.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Me personally I will admit I have a little bit of a blood-vendetta against Zoom. It isn't a herculean task to be better than a chomo who swats people
<2022-09-24T06:40:15.000Z> Elmo: well you cant just say that and not explain if it was personal or what
<2022-09-24T06:40:39.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Did you read any of my posts in the David Stay thread?
<2022-09-24T06:40:43.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: (back when the site was up)
<2022-09-24T06:40:49.000Z> Elmo: no i did not
<2022-09-24T06:40:57.000Z> Elmo: i mean maybe a handful
<2022-09-24T06:41:07.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Zoom and his lot (Plate Gang) did alot of really nasty shit to David Stay and fans of his at the time
<2022-09-24T06:41:10.000Z> Elmo: something about him fucking with david's set up and screwing him over
<2022-09-24T06:41:26.000Z> Elmo: i recall you telling me some specifics but I cant remember those atm
<2022-09-24T06:41:49.000Z> Elmo: i remember specifically because i think i asked if that's why he got rid of some of his handlers
<2022-09-24T06:42:04.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: It's a very long story- the point being I can say without a shadow of a doubt Zoom is hands-down the worst person I've ever had the displeasure of speaking too
<2022-09-24T06:42:39.000Z> Elmo: yeah he has some the stranger besides me vibes
<2022-09-24T06:42:57.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: But also it's not hard to be better than Ethan Ralph or Keffals
<2022-09-24T06:43:07.000Z> Elmo: id love to know how he has that sort of influence on anybody really
<2022-09-24T06:43:53.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Blackmail is Zoom's #1 method of coercing people to do shit for him
<2022-09-24T06:44:10.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Are you familiar with who Lux was (alot of people say he was hands-down the most evil person on the deep web)
<2022-09-24T06:44:26.000Z> Elmo: not immediately no
<2022-09-24T06:44:40.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I would not be suprised if Zoom was a Patron of Lux's
<2022-09-24T06:44:55.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Lux was the admin of numerous deep-web websites that hosted "hurtcore"
<2022-09-24T06:45:02.000Z> Elmo: oh i gotcha
<2022-09-24T06:45:37.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Do you remember I told you that one of the people in Plate Gang (Mr. E) gained David Stay's trust over a certain period of time
<2022-09-24T06:45:46.000Z> Elmo: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scully#Daisy's_Destruction
<2022-09-24T06:45:48.000Z> Elmo: this psycho?
<2022-09-24T06:45:54.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Yeah
<2022-09-24T06:45:58.000Z> Elmo: i think i remember reading this
<2022-09-24T06:46:06.000Z> Elmo: yes you did
<2022-09-24T06:46:24.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: To the point David Stay gave Mr E remote acess to his computer via Teamviewer because David's a boomer who had trouble with technology?
<2022-09-24T06:46:24.000Z> Elmo: and something about that's why david had a different format from some things he used to do 
<2022-09-24T06:46:36.000Z> Elmo: i cant remember what it was but you answered some of my questions at the time
<2022-09-24T06:47:07.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Yup- Rockzo (another Plate Gang Person) made the explicit threat to upload hurtcore to David's computer using this and then swat him to get him arrested
<2022-09-24T06:47:51.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: And then use all of the Patron info from David's Patreon and eMail contacts to dox and swat every other person who was a fan/patreon supporter of David's
<2022-09-24T06:48:00.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: You see the problem here lol
<2022-09-24T06:48:23.000Z> Elmo: yes, it was needless and without justification
<2022-09-24T06:48:30.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Well don't forget
<2022-09-24T06:48:49.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Mr. E flat-out told David Stay who Plate Gang were ("super hackers")
<2022-09-24T06:49:16.000Z> Elmo: was any of this just to try to get jim's attention?
<2022-09-24T06:49:16.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: And David Stay thought he could cut a "backroom deal" of sorts with Plate Gang to moderate/protect his discord and show from trolls
<2022-09-24T06:49:32.000Z> Elmo: picking on some poor old man who had some mild fame and believed in flat earth
<2022-09-24T06:49:45.000Z> Elmo: very odd choice to harass because where was the amusement
<2022-09-24T06:49:57.000Z> Elmo: "we're gonna make terry 2.0!!!11"
<2022-09-24T06:50:02.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I honestly don't know. I know they deliberately target "low-hanging fruit" (people with low subscribers and viewers)
<2022-09-24T06:50:36.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Maybe it's easier to cover their tracks of legit criminal behavior if nobody bothers to watch, maybe it's just some kind of weird sadism
<2022-09-24T06:51:47.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Either way- alot of people did end up getting doxed and fucked with, by both Plate Gang and David Stay Himself (who would read the doxes of people inc hat he deemed trolls live on air)
<2022-09-24T06:52:32.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I know Plate Gang didn't just dox one guy- after they doxed him they gave harassing calls to his landlady saying he was a chomo and he ended up getting evicted
<2022-09-24T06:52:55.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I got really really damn lucky to emergy out of that whole shitshow unscathed, thank god
<2022-09-24T06:53:25.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: *emerge
<2022-09-24T06:54:10.000Z> Elmo: very sad to hear about
<2022-09-24T06:54:22.000Z> Elmo: i mean im glad david is still holding his head above water
<2022-09-24T06:55:35.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: To be honest I'm not. He, just like Ethan Ralph, thought he could make a backroom deal to use Plate Gang as his personal army. He doxes people who criticize him like Ethan Ralph, he is extremely narcisistic like Ethan Ralph
<2022-09-24T06:55:52.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: David's just Lanky and has no Gunt
<2022-09-24T06:56:08.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: He also has incredibly thin skin and can't take jokes or banter well
<2022-09-24T06:56:51.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: But to play devil's advocate I do think David has some serious mental health issues that he refuses to get treatment for. Ethan Ralph is just a chronic Ralphamale
<2022-09-24T06:57:45.000Z> Elmo: well i do appreciate that insight
<2022-09-24T06:57:59.000Z> Elmo: i thought he was broadcasting to ~15 people max these days?
<2022-09-24T06:58:23.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Oh he very much is
<2022-09-24T06:58:32.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: But remember the "council of evil"?
<2022-09-24T06:59:20.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Its been a side project of Mormon Shaggy's to try and worm his way into David Stay's "inner circle" along with the other "council of evil" people to fuck with David and his fans... just like Plate Gang did
<2022-09-24T06:59:31.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: "those who do not remember the past are forever condemned to repeat it"
<2022-09-24T07:00:13.000Z> Elmo: im so tired of hearing about that dumb shit already 
<2022-09-24T07:00:32.000Z> Elmo: and everyone always brings it back up in one form or fashion
<2022-09-24T07:00:35.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: And David KNOWS he went from 10,000 viewers at one point when Jim was on the show down to the 15... and this hurts his ego *alot*. So he's more receptive than usual to friend requests
<2022-09-24T07:00:48.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Remember the old producer K9?
<2022-09-24T07:00:58.000Z> Elmo: i remember several producers but sure
<2022-09-24T07:01:05.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I actually recorded an exclusive interview with him after David fired him
<2022-09-24T07:01:46.000Z> Elmo: and here i was just wanting to talk about photon not any of this other dumb nonsense
<2022-09-24T07:02:11.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: You're 100% right
<2022-09-24T07:02:31.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: All of us just wanted to watch a goofy show about flat earth and photon and goofy shit
<2022-09-24T07:02:52.000Z> Elmo: yeah and if he told me to fuck off or called me dumb then whatever I can handle david being wrong lol
<2022-09-24T07:02:55.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Kind of like how everybody just wanted to watch a goofy IBS show that occasionally talked about politics when watching The Killstream
<2022-09-24T07:03:28.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Or how everybody wanted to watch a funny gossip show shitting on Ethan Ralph and Nick Fuentes... and then KC's powerchat scandal happened
<2022-09-24T07:03:50.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Or when people just wanted to watch and have fun with the Morning Kumite
<2022-09-24T07:04:22.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Internet Shows at this rate have a 41% casualty rate lol
<2022-09-24T07:04:49.000Z> Elmo: well thats large in part through social media platforms
<2022-09-24T07:05:07.000Z> Elmo: if you forced idiots back to just using IRC chatrooms you wouldn't see anywhere near this kind of shit
<2022-09-24T07:05:29.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I hate to say it but if Jim and Josh had their own Youtube Show that would probably implode sooner or later too
<2022-09-24T07:05:54.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Jim being a cohost of MATI would be pretty lit though
<2022-09-24T07:05:55.000Z> Elmo: speculating is also useless
<2022-09-24T07:07:30.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I agree. It has been very nice talking to you- but I have to go to sleep now. Have a great rest of your day! :)
<2022-09-24T07:09:25.000Z> Elmo: you also. speak soon, King of Diamonds.
<2022-10-01T04:01:02.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: Sorry to DM you out of the blue (hopefully you don't mind) but is Ralph seriously in Mexico right now? Did we meme magic it into reality?!
<2022-10-01T04:18:50.000Z> Elmo: Not necessarily. It's more of a matter of prodding him with lofty information to the point that he becomes so cocky that he begins to reveal more because he /wants/ to be found.
<2022-10-01T04:18:56.000Z> Elmo: That's my take on it, anyway.
<2022-10-12T02:03:07.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: I guess you and me are wanted doxed or alive now for posting in the "Council of Evil Threads", huh?
<2022-10-12T10:56:12.000Z> Elmo: In a manner of speaking. Axle is full of hot air, by which I mean that he's only going to try to "dox" anyone that has shared information with him or anyone he can get that information from. If you didn't participate in discord faggotry then there's really nothing to be concerned with (which I doubt you are). 
<2022-10-12T10:57:10.000Z> Elmo: It's stupid and I highly doubt he can really do much of anything other than just make "irony jokes" and the like about doing people. It's all very boring, gay and cringe.
<2022-10-12T14:07:59.000Z> InvisibleTsar@nicecrew.digital: That's what I figured. I told a few people we should set up a running tally of how much Axle would have to shill out to dox everybody in the thread like the tally ED kept based on when Al Qaeda said they would pay $100,000 for the death of everyone who drew a picture of Muhammed
<2022-10-12T15:03:27.000Z> Elmo: Sure, go ahead. I honestly don't think anything will come of it. Axle showed his hand too early with all of the edgy paedo shit that his little bubble is shrinking more and more. He's now blatantly out in the open and most people don't have the patience for it or are simply outright disgusted. He used to be a casual Ralph sniper with a weird personality, to a guntguard and full blown gay furry then went hard in with the paedo shit. He's incredibly transparent since his bullshit is out in the open on the farms and documented through those streams. Even people like Earjuice won't entertain this level of faggotry.