<2022-10-12T17:56:57.000Z> D_Zanzer: Hi, I didn't want to get a hell thread started about Peterson but benzos are used to treat anxiety and have worse withdrawal symptoms than opiates. What you're looking for is Cyclobenzaprine (brand name Flexeril). It's a muscle relaxant used to treat skeletal muscle conditions such as pain, spasms, etc. t. guy with rheumatoid arthritis. 
<2022-10-12T17:58:04.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: I was a lumberjack and broke my back bad so I appreciate what people tell me but what I can take and what I'm allowed to take isn't much
<2022-10-12T17:59:38.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: But thanks I'll try anything at this point.
<2022-10-12T18:17:56.000Z> D_Zanzer: Oh man, you tree guys are something else. Respect. I watch a lot of logging and arborist stuff and you guys are a special breed. If you're into natural supplements: I take Boron, Tumeric, and one called Joint Health from Sam's Club daily and it seems to help some. Hope you can find something that works.
<2022-10-12T18:20:05.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: Yeah I got to get my ass out of Canada and in the US than try to work as a arborist in a desk job. Because damn I can't take it here. Lumberjacks are the last real man jobs and I started at 16 years old it was that or foster center lol . 
<2022-10-12T18:20:28.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: I think the nerves of living in such a dump aren't helping lol
<2022-10-12T18:31:06.000Z> D_Zanzer: Relatable. I lived in Alberta for a year; beautiful country and wonderful people but you could see which way the wind was blowing. Especially from someone like me who was born and raised in the South. That was also a long time ago so I can't imagine how bad it's gotten now. Yeah, it seems like that Faustian spirit is a common thread among tree guys. I watch a lot of August Hunicke videos and he has a very similar story to yours.
<2022-10-12T18:32:13.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: I have proof that they are conditioning kids here to be faggots and degenerates like those trannies but no one gives a fuck I'm a white male lol .
<2022-10-12T18:33:18.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBCF2u-up6w&t=47s
<2022-10-12T18:33:42.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: This is what they are doing to kids and they have been doing this since the 1990s
<2022-10-12T18:33:57.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: they go to schools and target kids and push them into HRT and shit like that. 
<2022-10-12T18:36:53.000Z> D_Zanzer: I don't doubt that one bit. The people there were so accepting and non-confrontational I found it a little off-putting because I was raised to alway speak my mind. It's gotta be bad now because I'm starting to see a lot of that tranny faggot shit here in the South but at least people are pushing back, well...unless they're an urbanite. Our cities here are done.
<2022-10-12T18:38:18.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: It's becoming bad I've been saying to my friends in the US stop looking at Russia and look at Canada the problems in the Democratic party comes from the same Ideology that governs in Canada. 
<2022-10-12T18:38:46.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: Humans need limits guidance and structures. Liberalism is everything but that. 
<2022-10-12T18:44:24.000Z> D_Zanzer: Exactly. I've got my family in the mindset of thinking locally. That's where they push this stuff. Focus on the things that directly affect you and learn who's pushing it and how to point them out. Liberalism is top down and we'll have to push from the bottom up until some of our ideas permeate the culture more. 
<2022-10-12T18:47:40.000Z> D_Zanzer: The nice thing about liking in a rural area is that none of this stuff is organic and the average person has a natural aversion to it. And from what I've seen, you start messing with kids and Moms get involved real quick. I've seen entire school boards get flipped in the last year.
<2022-10-12T18:53:51.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: “as the physicians say it happens in hectic fever, that in the beginning of the malady it is easy to cure but difficult to detect, but in the course of time, not having been either detected or treated in the beginning, it becomes easy to detect but difficult to cure”― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
<2022-10-12T18:54:02.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: ^ this is what I fear we have gotten to 
<2022-10-12T18:54:16.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: The solution to make things better would be a very drastic one
<2022-10-12T19:07:33.000Z> D_Zanzer: I agree. I keep telling my family they need to realize that we're ahead of the curve on knowing what's happening and nothing will change until the average person can't ignore it anymore. Unfortunately things will get worse until then so be prepared for it. I've recently brought them all up to speed on the Weimar era and how 1933 was a reaction. They found the similarities to then and now very eye opening. So much so that they've been pointing out to friends who are asking what the hell is going on with everything in the last few years. Again, none of this is natural to a normal person. 
<2022-10-12T19:08:41.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: So many know nothing bout survival and having restraints. The ones that kept god close will survive imo.
<2022-10-12T19:16:20.000Z> D_Zanzer: Yup, 100% agree. We've been working hard on becoming self sufficient in the last few years and now even my sister will point at clueless people and say "not gonna make it". We try to help those who know something bad is on the horizon but some folks are going to be caught with their ass hanging out in the wind. I just tell everyone to follow the Hieroclesian circles; worry about family first, then friends, then neighbors, etc.
<2022-10-12T19:17:05.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: Well they have been doing the math on that and if they are right not many will survive the first 2 months so. 
<2022-10-12T19:20:46.000Z> D_Zanzer: Oh yeah. I'very mad it pretty clear to everyone that those who figure it out too late aren't long for this world. The best you can do is try to offer some info and answers but if they don't want to hear it then that's on them.
<2022-10-12T19:21:57.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: But that's nature and nature isn't fit for weak creatures. Never was and never will bend its laws to satisfy our demands. 
<2022-10-12T19:22:24.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: The only thing that can save humanity as been doing it forever and it's our predatory instincts. 
<2022-10-12T19:25:46.000Z> D_Zanzer: Yup. I've pushed that a lot too, especially to the younger ones. Nature isn't nice and if you're not a predator then by default you become prey. 
<2022-10-12T19:26:28.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: That's the only thing we can do at this point.
<2022-10-12T19:31:37.000Z> D_Zanzer: Yup. Make sure you're ready and hope others figure it out before it's too late. 
<2022-10-12T22:08:34.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: I was born ready haha sounds cringe but it is what it is !
<2022-10-12T23:12:13.000Z> D_Zanzer: Oh no, I truly believe that's a thing, that some people are just born with an inherent aversion to things that are unnatural and bad for a healthy society. 
<2022-10-12T23:16:41.000Z> Mackiavelli13@chudbuds.lol: Yeah it always was like this since Babylon. 