<2022-06-13T00:33:02.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Is this it vimeo.com/event/2186560/videos/719485932/ ?
<2022-06-13T00:43:39.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yes
<2022-06-13T00:43:49.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: You should be able to see all the sessions
<2022-06-13T00:44:00.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: That uploader hasn't uploaded much 
<2022-06-13T00:44:27.000Z> Crux_Invictus: This one vimeo.com/event/2186560 ?
<2022-06-13T00:44:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: ~9 videos so far
<2022-06-13T00:45:01.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: That's all there is
<2022-06-13T00:45:16.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I think there was 8 two hour sessions over the course of the weekend
<2022-08-02T11:29:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Hey mate, I know I'm too far away for this to mean much but if you ever want to have a chat or just vent I'm here. Praying for you and the family Brother.
<2022-08-02T11:34:48.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I'm good. I just needed to vent and get it all out. I feel a bit better now. Thank you
<2022-08-02T11:37:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Fair enough, I'll go back to digging through "modern" Christian music for songs that don't make my skin crawl
<2022-08-02T11:39:24.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Lol, just do public domain. If it's old enough to be free you don't need to pay for it or provide citations
<2022-08-02T11:40:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: We already pay for CCLI so I might as well use it, just trying to find music that fits with what the congregation want while not being a steam pile of crap
<2022-08-02T12:11:46.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: The impossible task
<2022-08-02T12:12:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The temptation to just pick 4 of Hard Look's songs and leave it at that is pretty big
<2022-08-30T08:43:17.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: If we were to go on the Godcast, what would your rough time availability be? Assume we have a months notice 
<2022-08-30T08:43:44.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Also, how's it all going? From the sounds of things you're doing some kind of evening service which sounds cool
<2022-08-30T08:48:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Anytime after 5pm AEST during the week or anytime Saturday. Sunday is probably a write-off. But if needed I can just take the day off from work.
<2022-08-30T08:50:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Things are going alright-ish. Running evening service each fortnight which has been good for training and working my way through the lay preacher course. Also been put in charge of restarting the youth ministry but haven't made any headway on that.
<2022-08-30T08:50:29.000Z> Crux_Invictus: How're things on your end?
<2022-08-30T23:32:51.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah, thats roughly our time as well. I'll follow up and let them know when we are free. 
<2022-08-30T23:33:58.000Z> Crux_Invictus: sounds good
<2022-08-30T23:34:18.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Currently in talks with 3 groups who want to rent our hall. 2 of which are churchs. One is an islander uniting church congregation that got kicked out because they refused to gay. What we'd really like is for them to become Lutheran. Their pastor seemed open to the idea
<2022-08-30T23:35:32.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Sadly not much movement on other fronts. I managed to talk to a bunch of people on the district level, they're "anxious" but not enough to do anything. I'm currently procrastinating doing street evangelism. It seems to be the only way forward
<2022-08-30T23:37:08.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: TinyFern contacted a pastor up north to help him prepare a presentation to encourage kids in schools to become pastors. He was keen and we are waiting on him to do some things. She also contacted some people who are developing curriculum resources, she made a 10-week devotional series for year 4 kids on the sermon on the mount.
<2022-08-30T23:38:37.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Decided against the SMP and lay preacher path. I'm not really well suited to it, I just know that we need one. I'm better off as a wildcard, but I need to get approved as a lay reader so I can run services
<2022-08-30T23:38:49.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: How is your training going? What do they have you doing?
<2022-08-30T23:49:18.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The training is going alright and I'm up to the third module so far out of five. The course is focused on teaching the student what it means to Preach and the potential pitfalls to be mindful of. It looks like the later modules go into more detail on how to write a sermon. It's got value especially if you've got the opportunity to preach during service like I do for the evening service.
<2022-08-30T23:49:39.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Thats good
<2022-08-30T23:49:45.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Much theology?
<2022-08-30T23:54:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: There's a bit but so far it's mostly: "God is the one doing the work", "you are preaching God's word" and so on. The module I'm up to is called "Law and Gospel" and it looks like it goes a bit further in terms of theology. But since it's not the focus of the course there isn't much. I expect that if Super were to do a VLP series on "how to preach a sermon for your house church" it'd be similar to this course.
<2022-08-30T23:54:25.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I think he's actually doing that
<2022-08-30T23:55:14.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: from the conversations I've had, he believes that insufficient discipleship of leaders within the church (especially in house/small groups) is a make or break failure point
<2022-08-30T23:55:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah, if you're not on the lookout for the next generation of leaders to train your organisation is going to collapse.
<2022-08-31T00:00:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The things we could achieve if we shifted to an apprenticeship model rather than "go to Uni and spend $60k+ to follow the call".
<2022-08-31T00:04:22.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah, I don't think thats going to happen
<2022-08-31T00:04:43.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Whats most striking is how lopsided all the infrastructure is
<2022-08-31T00:05:16.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Great schools, and camps, and nursing homes, and newsletters, and magazines, and missions, etc.
<2022-08-31T00:05:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It's kinda funny
<2022-08-31T00:05:38.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: No resources for continued education beyond catechism 
<2022-08-31T00:05:54.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: No resources for addressing any cultural concerns from the past 50 years
<2022-08-31T00:07:29.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: On an individual church level and a state (and probably national level), everyone is maintaining the equipment but no one is using it. People keep getting told to pray about evangelism and to focus their efforts on their strengths. Everyone is polishing the brass while we slowly sink into the sea
<2022-08-31T00:08:57.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I know of one Asian congregation that does have night classes teaching their congregants how to evangelize. They developed the program and its got nothing to do with the LCA. 
<2022-08-31T00:10:06.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yeah it's basically left to each congregation/district to put things like that together. The one I did a while back was run by a different congregation in the same city by one of the Church Planting guys
<2022-08-31T00:10:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: We do have something of an alternative to the ALC now though: frontier.lca.org.au/
<2022-08-31T00:11:26.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Neato!
<2022-08-31T00:12:25.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I need to reach out to them to see if they have an alternative to Discover
<2022-08-31T00:13:59.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I had a friend who was on his way to becoming a Christian. He was in the phase where he was reconciling what he knew to be true and what Christians believed. He had really big important questions about UFOs. As far as I can tell there are like 2 Christian writers in the past 80 years who've addressed the topic.
<2022-08-31T00:15:12.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: How have we not written a flier on this yet?
<2022-08-31T00:16:54.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I've been thinking about a Didache for /ourguys/ ever since Fern proposed it. Would be good to include things like that in an FAQ section like what's in the Catechism
<2022-08-31T00:17:05.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Or on why tinder is bad for people, or why you should become a pastor, or why doing LSD is probably not the best for you, or how you can have civil interactions with gay people and be Christian, or any of these things.
<2022-08-31T00:17:10.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah
<2022-08-31T00:17:14.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Its just crazy
<2022-08-31T00:17:39.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I'm trying to think of all of this as a blessing
<2022-08-31T00:18:11.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: We have a fantastic platform, everyone seems supportive, everyone agrees that its a priority, and no one has any ideas on how to do anything
<2022-08-31T00:20:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have you seen the Christian Kirbo stuff? That resonates more than anything I've seen in that The Lutheran mag
<2022-08-31T00:21:04.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I have not
<2022-08-31T00:22:17.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I'm currently on a break from everything, but I did think about the didache idea. 
<2022-08-31T00:23:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'll dig out my copy of it and see if I can put together a draft once I've done my prep for this Sunday
<2022-08-31T00:25:22.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I wonder if we could put something together that's palatable for both /ourguys/ and the general Lutheran on the street
<2022-08-31T00:25:27.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I ended up doing an outline for a dungeons and dragons/fantasy inspired handbook.
<2022-08-31T00:26:47.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Some ideas
<2022-08-31T00:26:48.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: - Item manual for christian symbols- Achievement Badges (E.g. attend first service, read the bible)- Monster manual for major christian figures- Spellbook of common prayers- Trapfinders Manual for Errors, Sins, Self Deceptions, Heresy, and Cults- Chad v Virgin for way of light and darkness (see didache)- First time at church checklist- Wanted posters to callings and roles within the church (e.g. what can an introverted incel actually do)- Lore, worldbuilding but for Jesus- Maps of Israel, OT, NT- Flow chart for picking/understanding denominations- Class but for each denomination- Choose your fighter for denomination (imgs.search.brave.com/ABDdXfBhDsboGXZ43UlM9C_6QGeqRK0lcJNVT7Lb1tI/rs:fit:992:584:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL2kwLmt5/bS1jZG4uY29tL3Bo/b3Rvcy9pbWFnZXMv/ZmFjZWJvb2svMDAw/Lzc3OC81ODUvOWM4/LmpwZw)
<2022-08-31T00:27:24.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: not sure if its worth pursuing
<2022-08-31T00:27:40.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: a series of short videos or infographics would probably have better reach
<2022-08-31T00:28:41.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Seems like it'd have a pretty limited reach but it might be a niche worth pursuing through videos.
<2022-08-31T00:29:00.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Ehhhhhh
<2022-08-31T00:29:09.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I think its not focused enough
<2022-08-31T00:29:22.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: If its for our guys we should do it for our guys 
<2022-08-31T00:29:37.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: If its "i'm on the internet and i heard about christianity" we should do it for that
<2022-08-31T00:31:00.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Agreed, should it ever gather enough steam you could then do some light-hearted "choose your class" stuff like those RPG YouTube channels do
<2022-08-31T00:31:12.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah
<2022-08-31T00:31:19.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Need to do the MVP
<2022-08-31T00:31:44.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I want to do the thing that left wingers think christo-fascists do
<2022-08-31T00:32:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So Lutherans do processions?
<2022-08-31T00:32:55.000Z> Crux_Invictus: *do Lutherans do processions?
<2022-08-31T00:33:06.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: They can
<2022-08-31T00:33:33.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: We normally do one around the building for palm sunday
<2022-08-31T00:34:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: So we do that in snazzy uniforms
<2022-08-31T00:34:18.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: lol
<2022-08-31T00:34:53.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Have you seen that clip of a Catholic procession that causes some lefties to flee?
<2022-08-31T00:35:50.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah
<2022-08-31T00:35:53.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Theres a few
<2022-08-31T00:36:10.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: There was also the one that caused the lefties to snarl and bark
<2022-08-31T00:37:12.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Not sure if I've seen that one but it's pretty telling when there's that kind of reaction.
<2022-08-31T00:39:18.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I've been talking with a friend's brother. He's a zoomer. He's anti-trans, extremely sexist, aware of race: all round nice guy. He went to a religious school but knows nothing. I'm trying to learn 1) what parts of the narrative would be most important to counter 2) where his media comes from
<2022-08-31T00:43:13.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: idk. At this stage I think I need to nut up, throw shit at the wall, and see what sticks\
<2022-08-31T00:46:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I think in that case we should work out where they lean in terms of faith. If they're favourable towards Christianity but uncertain or if they're hostile. If they're favourable but basically asking "well what do I need it for?" we can work from that with maybe showing what happens to people who turn away from God and what happens to their societies. If they're hostile it'll be far more difficult and I don't mean hostile as in what we deal with on the fedi. But hostile in terms of not being receptive to Christ's message or having an axe to grind because of past bad experience.
<2022-08-31T00:48:21.000Z> Crux_Invictus: For Zoomers I think the good ones know instinctually that something is wrong. We can through books like Deuteronomy show what is wrong and why. Then we can reinforce that with Ezekiel and Jeremiah and hopefully show them what happens when people stop doing evil and the hope that is the Gospel.
<2022-08-31T01:11:25.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Well he seems fairly receptive and intuits a similar morality
<2022-08-31T01:11:33.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: He see the flaws in the current paradigms
<2022-08-31T01:11:51.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: He's had to interact with trannies online and is aware that something is very wrong
<2022-08-31T01:12:54.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I think what's lacking is the decision point. The moment or the conviction that they can't just idle around. The push or the pull force that convinces them that the need salvation, or forgiveness, or that to not act would be to reject reality
<2022-08-31T01:18:37.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Maybe he just needs to spend more time around Christians and then take baby steps towards getting him into church?
<2022-08-31T01:20:24.000Z> Crux_Invictus: The pull will come from hearing the Word I think and from there the understanding of why we need salvation and forgiveness will come also
<2022-08-31T01:20:36.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Just got to get them in the place on a Sunday
<2022-08-31T01:30:09.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Probably, I guess we keep chipping away at it
<2022-08-31T01:31:48.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Yep, slow and steady
<2022-09-08T02:45:46.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'm sorry, I didn't mean for it to become a hellthread. I was just confused in a hay fever stupor.
<2022-09-08T02:45:57.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Lol
<2022-09-08T02:46:02.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: It wasn't you
<2022-09-08T02:46:43.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: These people aren't arguing in good faith, I was just lucky enough to go away for an hour rather than getting dragged in 
<2022-09-08T02:46:43.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I feel like I'm at least partly responsible, but sheesh what is it about baptism that brings out the tism?
<2022-09-08T02:47:45.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Right now I just want to jump back in an ask people if they think that Peter's speech in acts was a corruption of the gospel when he told people to repent and be baptised. Or is repentance just an outward symbol that has no place in salvation?
<2022-09-08T02:47:52.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: It pulls me
<2022-09-08T02:47:58.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I will be strong 
<2022-09-08T02:48:02.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Maybe 
<2022-09-08T02:48:38.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Might be best to just mute the thread and go and do something productive
<2022-09-08T02:49:49.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Baptism becomes important because it's the cornerstone of an entire tower of theology. The Baptist rejection pedobaptism is essential to them being able to reject 1700 years of church history. If they don't have that they have to essentially become high church, which on a racial level the American mongel can not abide
<2022-09-08T02:50:32.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Yeah, that's my plan. Imma watch video essays on MGSV and listen to darkwave while I try and work
<2022-09-08T02:51:11.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Sounds good
<2022-09-08T04:14:08.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I got dragged in. Lord forgive me
<2022-09-08T04:27:34.000Z> Crux_Invictus: lol
<2022-11-08T10:21:23.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Hey, long time no chat. Are you heading to Adelaide? Should I reach out to the people I know in QLD and see if anyone has a spare room or part time work for a baby pastor?
<2022-11-08T12:09:18.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Trying to stay in Canberra at least for 2023 and do a diploma of ministry remotely. My current pastor is very supportive and if needed has said I can live with him and his wife at the manse.
<2022-11-08T12:11:19.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Though only God knows what the LCA will look like after 2023. 
<2022-11-08T12:31:57.000Z> Crux_Invictus: What I mean to say is thank you and I may take you up on that depending on how next year shakes out.
<2022-11-08T21:30:36.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Too easy. If you ever need anything, no matter how weird or small, reach out
<2022-11-08T23:13:39.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Thanks mate and the same to you
<2022-11-09T23:43:24.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Talked it over with the wife. We have a chunk of giving that we currently direct to a friend who was an itinerant preacher. He's got a stable job in ministry now. We're thinking of redirecting that money to you while you're getting on your feet. It's not much but it should help cover rice and beans.
<2022-11-09T23:43:59.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I'll through details so I can dox myself and we can take this off post
<2022-11-09T23:44:25.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: I'll send* through details 
<2022-11-09T23:45:46.000Z> Crux_Invictus: Are you sure? I'm happy enough with prayers but I shouldn't say no.
<2022-11-09T23:48:56.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: If it makes you feel any better, this doesn't change the bottom line for us. And besides, it was never our money. It's God's 
<2022-11-09T23:51:10.000Z> Crux_Invictus: It does, I don't want you to put yourselves out for my sake. If you're alright with it you can send the details through to AustralisInvictus@protonmail.com.
<2022-11-10T01:08:49.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: pst.klgrth.io/paste/nohew
<2022-11-10T01:08:54.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: The link will expire 
<2022-11-10T01:15:35.000Z> Crux_Invictus: got it
<2022-11-10T01:16:41.000Z> Crux_Invictus: I'll send you an email from my personal email shortly
<2022-11-10T01:57:45.000Z> Christ_is_Lord: Received. I'll reply when I get off work in around 2 hours 
<2022-11-10T01:58:27.000Z> Crux_Invictus: no worries, thanks again both to you and your wife for all the help