<2022-12-28T08:29:46.000Z> CatLord: Were you on meguca?
<2022-12-28T10:47:39.000Z> scalar: Wow. Chat is broken. only getting notification... 2hours later?
<2022-12-28T10:47:53.000Z> scalar: What is meguca?
<2022-12-28T10:48:42.000Z> CatLord: oh nevermind. it was just a liveposting imageboard i was on. i thought u might have posted there because you're posting similar things to a guy who used it.
<2022-12-28T10:49:12.000Z> CatLord: another topic but do you reckon people who were injured by vaccines can have the damage done to their brain/immune system fixed?
<2022-12-28T10:49:48.000Z> scalar: at first thought this was anime trick to get me to search something degenerate, lol. "da fuq is meguca". whew, thank you my friend.
<2022-12-28T10:50:54.000Z> CatLord: haha no, its just a dumb meme from the madoka anime
<2022-12-28T10:55:30.000Z> scalar: Subjectively, if you are alive on this planet today - even the 0 injected - you're going to have some level of aluminum, barium, mercury, nano, synth bullshit in your system. Everyone is effected differently.
<2022-12-28T10:56:09.000Z> scalar: Can you get to a level where, even if objectively there are alterations - the effects of any "damage" aren't readily noticeable or have impacts on your immunity? Absolutely.
<2022-12-28T10:57:25.000Z> CatLord: do you know amy yasko or dietrich klinghardt? i noticed you made reference in your thread to the doc who "shot himself", which i believe was dr gonzales so maybe you're familiar
<2022-12-28T10:58:09.000Z> CatLord: it's encouraging what you say - the path to healing is just difficult to find and difficult to follow after a lifetime of illness
<2022-12-28T10:58:34.000Z> scalar: Amy Yasko's methylation diagrams, WHEW lad. Klinghardt is king. TBH - the maxim of "Detox as a Lifestyle" comes from him.
<2022-12-28T10:59:26.000Z> scalar: Have you considered that lingering effects might be due to lingering elements in the body/neurology, that could be triggering downstream methylation issues? (since you mentioned them both)
<2022-12-28T11:00:43.000Z> scalar: the doctor is Jeff Bradstreet. the keywords are "GcMAF" and "nagalase". However the formula to get the body to produce GcMAF on it's own is Condroitin Sulfate + VitD + Oleic Acid. However, decade + ago, they whacked him for it.
<2022-12-28T11:02:03.000Z> scalar: Because you're a fan of Kruse and thus by proxy Doug Wallace - if their claim that 95% of dysfunction can be traced back to mitochondria (pre-mRNA era) then that means only 5% is potentially intractable.
<2022-12-28T11:03:09.000Z> CatLord: would be very very interesting to speak with you by voice, but idk if you would be comfortable with that
<2022-12-28T11:03:20.000Z> CatLord: i find it harder to converse at length and about proper subjects in text form
<2022-12-28T11:03:55.000Z> CatLord: maybe dr gonzales was another victim of the assassinations
<2022-12-28T11:04:05.000Z> CatLord: i swear it was him who shot himself on the boat
<2022-12-28T11:07:23.000Z> scalar: Yeah Bradstreet was found in a river after the FDA raided his clinic. However, the number of dead doctors from that era is so large, probably was a Gonzalez that got redacted.
<2022-12-28T11:08:26.000Z> scalar: Unfortunately I purposefully don't have the capability to do voice, but every now and then people demand podcasts.
<2022-12-28T11:09:31.000Z> scalar: But am here if you have specific questions that you'd like outside perspective on, that might help or at least give you enough search terms to move forward on your own instincts.
<2022-12-28T11:13:16.000Z> CatLord: sure - let me know if you ever get a microphone though. i always like to talk to people.so what you mean is it could be the "imprint" of the thing that initially damaged me and others that still plagues us, rather than the actual initial damage itself?
<2022-12-28T11:14:20.000Z> CatLord: i've spoken to a guy who helps people with chronic fatigue syndrome and he told me about "neural tags" causing most of the issues, which are basically your body's remaining response to something (usually a virus) that is no longer actually there
<2022-12-28T11:15:03.000Z> CatLord: sorry if i get stuff wrong. it was my mother looking up a lot of these things and telling me about it, so my knowledge, although pretty broad, is a bit limited and second hand
<2022-12-28T11:18:13.000Z> scalar: No worries. So with ME-CFS (outside of initial vaccine injury that occurred many years earlier, slowly building up), you're going to want to look at Epsein-Barr and retroviruses (lots of Mikovits and Klinghardt material out there). I think maybe by neural tag, he's referring to the Cell Danger Response?
<2022-12-28T11:21:39.000Z> scalar: It's essentially that the "healing cycle" has been blocked/stopped somewhere in the process. Lemme see if I can find Naviaux presentation on it.
<2022-12-28T11:21:45.000Z> CatLord: not sure what that is but the way he described it - basically just your body becoming conditioned to react to stress in the same way that it reacted to the initial immune insult, so you randomly get a "virus", or "cold" when actually its just you overexerting yourself and triggering that response
<2022-12-28T11:25:02.000Z> scalar: Ah, have to respectfully disagree there because don't think you can boil down something that has it's etiology in chronic viral, retroviral activations (like ME-CFS) to a HPA-axis/Vagal dysfunction in the form of "habituated response". It's to easy for that to quickly turn into "it's all in your head". just my opinion anyways.
<2022-12-28T11:28:10.000Z> scalar: Now the Cell Danger Response - is a real biochemical phenomenon where your cells get stuck in a "danger" response and can't complete the cycle to "healing". Bob Naviaux did a study with a drug called Suramin that transformed non-verbal non-functioning autistics to speaking again. He also did some reeeeeeally interesing metabolomics studies with ME-CFS, showing that NO it's not all in someone's head.
<2022-12-28T11:29:10.000Z> scalar: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27573827/
<2022-12-28T11:29:32.000Z> scalar: invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=n-t75ckVLK0
<2022-12-28T11:29:50.000Z> scalar: When he got the results from the Suramin trial, Bayer immediately pulled the drug, lol.
<2022-12-28T11:36:32.000Z> CatLord: ive heard of suramin before
<2022-12-28T11:36:37.000Z> CatLord: very interesting
<2022-12-28T11:42:51.000Z> scalar: It's more or less nothing more than "lore" now since it was taken off the market. An interesting story in psyops is that the whole "Pine Needle Tea" phenomena came from Bayer countering Judy Mikovits for calling them out for taking it off the market and slipping up and saying "terpenes" in the same sentence. Very next day the web is flooded with "mikovits says pine needle tea will fix the vax". Pine trees are wonderful accumulators, detoxers of heavy metals from their environment.
<2022-12-28T11:43:10.000Z> scalar: Where do they concentrate these? The needles, lol. BayerMonsanto fucking dicks.
<2022-12-28T11:45:52.000Z> CatLord: i should get mikovits's book about the xmrv. i dont really understand how its possible for her to observe this retrovirus and for basically no one else to see it though
<2022-12-28T11:47:24.000Z> scalar: Oh, there's plenty of literature on XMRVs, bovine leukemia virus found in dairy products, etc. Klinghardt has a really wonderful 2-part presentation that's still on jewtube on them. Mikovits' book is on libgen - Plauge of Corruption.
<2022-12-28T11:49:39.000Z> CatLord: oh i see. maybe im just remember it wrong or im ill informed. i thought that after her observation, it was no longer being seen in  humans. or maybe its the pharma claim that it isnt seen in specifically CFS sufferers. - whatever ill get her book and read about it.
<2022-12-28T11:50:44.000Z> CatLord: What's your opinion on the more weird stuff like qigong, homeopaths, and kinesiology?
<2022-12-28T11:53:52.000Z> scalar: Oh no, retroviral activation is seen in most/all chronic illnesses now, lol. The Klinghardt presentations on youtube - just search "klinghart retrovirus" are highly recommended.
<2022-12-28T11:54:47.000Z> scalar: The other stuff? All tools in the toolbelt. Their efficacy is context dependent. Qigong, requires dedication but many - once the habit becomes a joy, don't turn away from it. however, with all things YMMV.
<2022-12-28T11:57:51.000Z> CatLord: You're extremely well informed on this stuff. I haven't met anyone else in the NS/WN sphere who knows about all the things my mother was researching. Kind of surreal to speak to someone about it in our political context lol. I neglected looking into this stuff after my mother got ill and couldn't do so anymore and I personally got a bit hopeless but you've motivated me to get into it again.
<2022-12-28T12:11:56.000Z> scalar: She was on the right track, instincts in the correct direction. The single biggest threat to the forces everyone rails about is to take your health into your own hands. Tbh - if you think about it, it's one of the only productive, legal things things you can do that could potentially have a huge beneficial impact on you, your future (and thus your community).
<2022-12-28T12:13:04.000Z> scalar: This would start a hellthread, but imho - it's true. There's only so much ideology you can read, WW2 revisionism, saying banned words on social media platforms you can do until you look back 4 years later and nothing has changed, wheels spun.
<2022-12-28T12:15:05.000Z> CatLord: I agree, if it's in concert with networking, organising, and ultimately political action. Ill health prevents all the various facets of your agency in the world, whereas good health facilitates them.
<2022-12-28T12:16:29.000Z> CatLord: there's a quote from Herophilus about this that I really like. It seems kind of obvious but the obvious always needs to be restated:
<2022-12-28T12:16:42.000Z> CatLord: “When health is absent, wisdom cannot reveal itself, art cannot manifest, strength cannot fight, wealth becomes useless, and intelligence cannot be applied.”
<2022-12-28T12:16:55.000Z> scalar: Very timely. Very true.
<2022-12-28T12:16:57.000Z> CatLord: certainly fits my experience of it
<2022-12-28T12:17:42.000Z> scalar: My contention is problem is that the era we are moving into, it isn't just about illhealth - it's about being turned into "hackable animals", "remote neural monitoring", "readible/writable to". That complicates the possibility of organizing if we are all tech-integrated and loaded to the brim with all sorts of crazy stuff. 
<2022-12-28T12:20:14.000Z> scalar: It complicates things if we set a baseline of "health" so low as to disregard these things existing inside of us, spraying over everyone, injecting into every child, etc. But alas, will stop that rant here lol.
<2022-12-28T12:46:21.000Z> CatLord: i dont think that's really in contention with what i said there is it? im not as knowledgeable about the tech integration stuff you talk about
<2022-12-28T12:46:55.000Z> scalar: oh no. please excuse me, didn't mean to come off as adversarial or argumentative.
<2022-12-28T12:47:30.000Z> CatLord: no dont worry im not mad or something lol
<2022-12-28T12:47:57.000Z> scalar: It was along the lines of certainty in genuineness of intention in question, if we're loaded up with control tech.
<2022-12-28T12:52:03.000Z> CatLord: oh, i see what you're saying. well obviously we should consider one to be in poor health if they have some kind of unwanted tech in them. do you think they are getting anywhere near the proper use of that stuff? i see their ability to manage this global pseudo-empire crumbling and wonder if they're not just trying to rush toward some kind of solution that could keep them in power
<2022-12-28T12:56:55.000Z> scalar: Where some collapse, others see a reshuffling and coalescing into formalized technological feudalism. If geoengineering is constant, full-spectrum-dominance surveillance the new "booming" industry, and what seems like a final exchange of wealth from middle classes upwards... not to blackpill, but is it crumbling or re-forming towards something worse?
<2022-12-28T12:59:11.000Z> scalar: But alas, is a blackpill. So am sticking to health fun stuff, if only so more than a few can resist what's coming - in the unfortunate instance any of this is correct.
<2022-12-28T13:00:24.000Z> CatLord: Sure, I agree that is happening but they are hollowing out the basic foundations of functioning society that are needed to support such a system. It seems that they, at least, believe that they can succeed while doing so but I doubt it, honestly. There's such severe discontent - don't omit the more superficial political angle from your analysis.
<2022-12-28T13:01:36.000Z> CatLord: It's not purely out of optimism that I say this, btw. I've really tried to go into their shoes and see it from their perspective as much as I can, as well as appreciating our own position, and it doesn't look good for our enemies lol. They can definitely hurt us a whole lot more - and implement some really horrific shit, but they're on the path to loss.
<2022-12-28T13:01:56.000Z> scalar: I hope so!
<2023-01-02T10:04:22.000Z> CatLord: heyy where did you go