<2022-08-16T21:29:16.000Z> mute_city: i know the situation you describe very well, i've been there 
<2022-08-16T21:29:43.000Z> mute_city: literally every detail of it 
<2022-08-16T21:31:47.000Z> mute_city: despair makes the world look 10x darker then it is, don't spread too much of it - it might be the last straw that sends someone over the edge that could have seen the other side 
<2022-08-16T21:44:50.000Z> Bunny: I’m just trying to find the solution same as anyone else. The only way is to talk about it. I’m not pretending it’s easy or we’re all going to make it, but some of us have to, and we have to figure out the way to make it, with all the obstacles that entails.
<2022-08-16T21:46:09.000Z> Bunny: That means recognizing the incel question is the soft genocide of our people. It’s our mens social inability to reproduce or find their grounding in society.
<2022-08-16T21:46:29.000Z> mute_city: ok 
<2022-08-16T21:46:33.000Z> mute_city: makes sense 
<2022-08-16T21:48:05.000Z> mute_city: no joke, i think 4chan and its rough tone had good part in me getting my shit together 
<2022-08-16T21:48:41.000Z> Bunny: I just went back to 4chan after taking a long break
<2022-08-16T21:49:26.000Z> Bunny: It makes you think very openly
<2022-08-16T21:50:22.000Z> mute_city: when there is nothing irl to cling to, there are still internet bros, they tell you to /sig/ 
<2022-08-16T21:51:45.000Z> mute_city: this is honestly the best idea i have for the immediate time horizon, cultivate an online culture that inspires immitation 
<2022-08-16T21:54:08.000Z> Bunny: You mean something like leading by example? That’s very tricky, because you need people who already have their life together.
<2022-08-16T21:56:38.000Z> Bunny: That’s why I like talking to the guys who do. I like just learning about their life.
<2022-08-16T21:59:44.000Z> mute_city: i mean ultimately yes, but that's not realistic in anonymous online circles 
<2022-08-16T22:01:43.000Z> mute_city: the online right already does a lot of these things, encourage people to be more healthy, excercise more, become more courageous 
<2022-08-16T22:03:12.000Z> Bunny: Most of those don’t solve the problem though, besides “take more risks,” which I think is helpful.
<2022-08-16T22:04:13.000Z> mute_city: you mean "don't solve the problem in society at large", no? 
<2022-08-16T22:04:50.000Z> Bunny: No, don’t solve the problem in peoples lives.
<2022-08-16T22:04:52.000Z> mute_city: but aiding young men in the meantime, yes absolutely 
<2022-08-16T22:05:26.000Z> mute_city: not directly 
<2022-08-16T22:06:28.000Z> mute_city: to the downward spiral into depression and self neglect, there is a corresponding upwards spiral 
<2022-08-16T22:06:58.000Z> mute_city: it's just much harder to go, and it starts with this basic stuff
<2022-08-16T22:08:08.000Z> mute_city: the more energy you have the more problems you can face, which makes you feel better, which gives you more energy ... 
<2022-08-16T22:08:47.000Z> Bunny: Sure, but it’s not that simple.
<2022-08-16T22:09:00.000Z> mute_city: no, it's hard as fuck 
<2022-08-16T22:12:17.000Z> Bunny: It’s hard to workout but it’s harder to figure out what you should do with your life. Everyone has dreams from when they were a kid, and most of those dreams are incompatible with reality. Negotiating the difference between what people want in their ideal world and what they can get is a very challenging task.
<2022-08-16T22:14:08.000Z> Bunny: How can one stick to the truth, and build relationships when they’re effectively a liar is another challenge. How to build friends and fit in to society when you don’t hold its values, is very difficult. It’s very hard outside of family which loves you.
<2022-08-16T22:19:46.000Z> Bunny: How should one build their fortune, what skills should one learn, how to manage ones time, how to apply ones skills, etc. how to get a career essentially, but a successful one, not just getting a job and sticking with it.
<2022-08-16T22:21:55.000Z> Bunny: Life is incredibly complex and I’d love to learn all about it, but you’re right, it’s hard in an anonymous 
<2022-08-16T22:22:20.000Z> Bunny: *space.
<2022-08-16T22:22:52.000Z> Bunny: Some of these guys have great insights when they share them.
<2022-08-16T22:33:41.000Z> mute_city: hmm hmm,
<2022-08-16T22:34:07.000Z> mute_city: so this is what it must be like for other people, when they are talking to me XD 
<2022-08-16T22:37:53.000Z> Bunny: Lol
<2022-08-16T22:38:31.000Z> Bunny: I try to get the full thought out, sometimes it’s long, too long perhaps 
<2022-08-17T08:20:43.000Z> mute_city: no i mean your despair is so totalizing 
<2022-08-17T08:21:30.000Z> mute_city: every angle is already covered, for every door there is a reason for why its futile to even try to open it :) 
<2022-08-17T11:24:08.000Z> Bunny: You don’t get to that despair without opening a lot of doors. I used to tell people this, but I was homeless for two years before getting back to a place to live. I had a rough and very physically abusive childhood. It’s not like the world is easy and there are a lot of things trying to eat you.
<2022-08-17T11:24:23.000Z> Bunny: if I had found a solution I would simply be living it.
<2022-08-17T12:28:19.000Z> Bunny: I should get that you people aren’t the ones who are going to help me by now.
<2022-08-17T12:32:19.000Z> mute_city: "if you had been through, what i have been through, you would never be able to talk like that - that's how i know you have no idea" 
<2022-08-17T12:32:27.000Z> mute_city: yeah i said things like that 
<2022-08-17T12:32:30.000Z> mute_city: a lot 
<2022-08-17T12:33:12.000Z> mute_city: that's how i know you wouldn't believe me if i told you of the shit i had to eat XD 
<2022-08-17T12:34:52.000Z> Bunny: Well tell me
<2022-08-17T12:38:03.000Z> Bunny: Anyone can believe or disbelieve anything they read on the internet.
<2022-08-17T12:38:27.000Z> mute_city: abusive childhood, lots of violence at school ( like 20 skinheads ganging up on 1 ) drug abuse, depression, constantly thinking about suicide, getting fired from every job ever, living in the shadiest ghettos doing the shittiest jobs and still forage for food in dumpsters 
<2022-08-17T12:39:06.000Z> mute_city: i was never homeless for more than a month though 
<2022-08-17T12:39:35.000Z> Bunny: And how did you get out of it? 
<2022-08-17T12:40:52.000Z> mute_city: strength of desparation "before i off myself, i'll fight"
<2022-08-17T12:41:09.000Z> mute_city: also the pills they gave me for a while were pretty good 
<2022-08-17T12:41:12.000Z> mute_city: :) 
<2022-08-17T12:42:05.000Z> Bunny: Lmao
<2022-08-17T12:42:23.000Z> Bunny: I don’t want to pry but what job did you end up getting?
<2022-08-17T12:42:39.000Z> mute_city: that upwards spiral i was talking about, that's how i mainly did it, like systemically always trying to marginally improve 
<2022-08-17T12:42:58.000Z> mute_city: i currently work in construction XD 
<2022-08-17T12:43:11.000Z> mute_city: it's very good against depression 
<2022-08-17T12:43:42.000Z> mute_city: and the way the girls look at you is also pretty nice XD 
<2022-08-17T12:45:01.000Z> Bunny: That’s sort of depressing actually.
<2022-08-17T12:45:06.000Z> Bunny: I didn’t want to go on pills.
<2022-08-17T12:45:19.000Z> Bunny: turned them down two years ago might have saved my life I guess.
<2022-08-17T12:45:54.000Z> Bunny: maybe I just need pills lol. I can’t work construction because everyone around me is Hispanic.
<2022-08-17T12:46:18.000Z> mute_city: i think i was really just lucky that they worked well for me, didn't want to take them for long either 
<2022-08-17T12:46:38.000Z> mute_city: hmm 
<2022-08-17T12:47:04.000Z> Bunny: I live in the mid Atlantic it’s one of the most nonwhite areas in the country
<2022-08-17T12:47:43.000Z> Bunny: Although I don’t think that’a where you’re going with that. Ignore that comment sorry.
<2022-08-17T12:47:51.000Z> mute_city: oh yeah something i wish someone would have told me 10 years earlier : 
<2022-08-17T12:48:58.000Z> mute_city: if you have trouble with social awkwardness/ social anciety , moving to a different city for a few years makes it soooooo much easier to defeat this deamon 
<2022-08-17T12:50:03.000Z> Bunny: I believe that.
<2022-08-17T12:51:11.000Z> Bunny: I moved to a different city for a few months, it was the best summer of my life.
<2022-08-17T12:52:27.000Z> Bunny: Sorry I’m such a faggot weirdo lol
<2022-08-17T12:53:12.000Z> mute_city: you didn't say anything faggy yet :) 
<2022-08-17T12:53:48.000Z> mute_city: lol, i once had a job at a cockroach farm 
<2022-08-17T12:54:08.000Z> mute_city: they breed them and sell them for pet food 
<2022-08-17T12:54:37.000Z> mute_city: was only disgusting for a day or two, then you get used to it 
<2022-08-17T12:55:02.000Z> mute_city: XD 
<2022-08-17T12:55:21.000Z> mute_city: well do it again, moving that is, what do you have to lose? 
<2022-08-17T12:55:37.000Z> Bunny: That’s true I’ll have to save up.
<2022-08-17T12:56:08.000Z> mute_city: in hindsight going back to the city i'm might have been one of my worst ideas XD 
<2022-08-17T12:56:21.000Z> mute_city: *the city i'm from* 
<2022-08-17T12:56:47.000Z> Bunny: That’s true for me too
<2022-08-17T12:56:53.000Z> mute_city: lol 
<2022-08-17T12:57:26.000Z> Bunny: I should never have come back. So haunted, plus all the problems it has.
<2022-08-17T12:58:18.000Z> Bunny: it feels alone to go out on your own though, even if you grow and have fun.
<2022-08-17T12:58:49.000Z> mute_city: hmmm
<2022-08-17T12:58:54.000Z> Bunny: I may have to just bite the bullet though.
<2022-08-17T12:59:04.000Z> mute_city: well i'm still here myself :) 
<2022-08-17T13:01:15.000Z> Bunny: What do you think about it 
<2022-08-17T13:02:01.000Z> mute_city: i met a friend recently ( i'm actually a programmer by profession ) he said : " you know i keep thinking about introducing you to my boss. i know you're overqualified for this job. and i also know you will fuck it up" 
<2022-08-17T13:02:19.000Z> mute_city: he's prob. right on both accounts 
<2022-08-17T13:02:31.000Z> Bunny: Very true XD
<2022-08-17T13:02:32.000Z> mute_city: about still being in this city? 
<2022-08-17T13:02:45.000Z> Bunny: No, that situation 
<2022-08-17T13:03:23.000Z> mute_city: of being to afraid to go out and risk something even though you have little to lose? 
<2022-08-17T13:03:34.000Z> Bunny: being qualified but fucking up a job because of what’s going on in your head.
<2022-08-17T13:04:52.000Z> mute_city: i keep trying chip away at it. not like i can do much else. either i will succeed before i die or i won't 
<2022-08-17T13:05:14.000Z> Bunny: Yeah.
<2022-08-17T13:06:16.000Z> mute_city: i am much better now than i ever was, so there is that 
<2022-08-17T13:06:59.000Z> Bunny: Life’s got to give you a break too. If nothing works you eventually just go insane from despair. 
<2022-08-17T13:07:03.000Z> Bunny: i believe you.
<2022-08-17T13:07:36.000Z> mute_city: true about the insanity 
<2022-08-17T13:07:53.000Z> Bunny: I think that’s what happened to me.
<2022-08-17T13:08:18.000Z> mute_city: i believe it 
<2022-08-17T13:12:20.000Z> Bunny: I think you’re going to get that programming job, in time, and you’re going to have a much happier life than you have now.
<2022-08-17T13:13:41.000Z> Bunny: it makes a difference 
<2022-08-17T13:15:09.000Z> mute_city: i prob could get one if i tried , i just don't want to, it's too depressing XD 
<2022-08-17T13:18:59.000Z> mute_city: what did you learn, if i may ask? 
<2022-08-17T13:42:14.000Z> Bunny: I went to school for history, felt that wasn’t going to work out, I was very idealistic at the time, and then I went to school for engineering for a year, and then dropped out. I entered school with a years worth of credits, so I could graduate very fast still, but I need to improve my current state first.
<2022-08-17T13:43:01.000Z> Bunny: So, “nothing” is the short answer, but I could learn something very fast if I wanted to.
<2022-08-17T20:25:56.000Z> mute_city: hmm
<2022-08-17T20:26:01.000Z> mute_city: kinda sux 