<2022-04-19T06:42:17.000Z> hazlin: my friend, I see you have been attacked
<2022-04-19T06:42:41.000Z> hazlin: called out by the self a pointed judges of Christianity in poast
<2022-04-19T06:43:02.000Z> hazlin: but Jesus loves you, and I love you
<2022-04-19T06:43:38.000Z> hazlin: Honestly, maybe all that stuff didn't bother you at all, but I wanted you to know.
<2022-04-19T12:19:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Im fine, but thank you anyways. Hope you had a nice Easter fren. 
<2022-04-19T12:20:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: It doesn't bother me, other than how clown world tier it is. That and how unthinking they are. Literally the same spirit of deranged zealotry from the early 90s lmao
<2022-04-19T18:59:38.000Z> hazlin: Literally the same spirit from Galatians 2:4, they too thought to prove whether Paul was truly saved by looking at his dick in the rest room 
<2022-04-19T18:59:49.000Z> hazlin: "4 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:"
<2022-04-19T19:00:20.000Z> hazlin: That makes them, false brethren, and bringers of bondage 
<2022-04-19T22:09:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: Satan himself, in person, acknowledges Christ as God and even quotes from the old testament during his temptation. The basis of their stupidity is that demons can't handle "holy" things or utterances. Lmao
<2022-05-10T05:26:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch transforms into an Angel named metatron, this is a significant issue lmao
<2022-05-10T05:32:55.000Z> hazlin: I don't remember that xD
<2022-05-10T05:34:50.000Z> hazlin: Let me see if I have my copy near by xD
<2022-05-10T05:36:31.000Z> hazlin: Nugger seems pretty hardline RCC
<2022-05-10T05:37:15.000Z> hazlin: maybe orthodox, but I've never had one try and discredit the bible to win an arguement 
<2022-05-10T05:38:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's a pathway of salvation outside of Christ, Enoch is also repeatedly called "the son of man", then there's the verification issue: Enoch isn't valid by any measure of canon
<2022-05-10T05:38:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ortho, they don't care about the text. This is why the eastern oriental Orthodox are still adding books...
<2022-05-10T05:39:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Orthodox care about tradition above all else. 
<2022-05-10T05:39:19.000Z> hazlin: how strange! 
<2022-05-10T05:40:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: But the demon ritual bit is what really got me specially at the end, no point in engaging. I mean, im all for schizo stuff but cmon. Hopefully he eventually gets help. 
<2022-05-10T05:41:20.000Z> hazlin: lol I was tempted to reply to his RCC/ortho boilerplate about how I cannot understand what I read, and must be told as part of his church to know the truth
<2022-05-10T05:41:53.000Z> hazlin: but pointing out they deny my ability to know truth when I disagree, and accept it when I agree is circular 
<2022-05-10T05:42:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's still the inherently issue of the Orthodox not using Enoch as a book 
<2022-05-10T05:42:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol or that the ritual was written down post flood but has never reappeared... 
<2022-05-10T05:43:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: You'd think supernatural supermen would be pretty noticable, as opposed to what we've got ruling us...
<2022-05-10T05:44:01.000Z> hazlin: I'm not familiar with this ritual you are speaking about
<2022-05-10T05:44:22.000Z> hazlin: I only read enoch until he finished reproving the watchers
<2022-05-10T05:44:31.000Z> hazlin: and it all seem perfectly reasonable
<2022-05-10T05:44:38.000Z> hazlin: is there a bunch of other shit near the end?
<2022-05-10T05:44:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm almost tempted to book an interview appointment with a local Orthodox priest and ask him pointed questions about Enoch and what he thinks about the corrupted Masoretic text just so his own church will disprove him... 
<2022-05-10T05:45:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: There are three books, Nugger is referencing a sex ritual mentioned in the third I think; as soon as I finished the second I was out and just read a quick blurb on 3. Allegedly the sex ritual is how nephilim are made, lots of logistically and reason problems with that. 
<2022-05-10T05:46:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: I guess I could read over all of it as I do have a copy... 
<2022-05-10T05:47:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: The first of which being who wrote this down? The second being why has this stopped? And if it hasn't, where are these magical men? Just compounding issues.
<2022-05-10T05:50:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's also the other other problem that we can't validate Enoch as a book from before a certain date, or more specifically that what we have is the real book of Enoch. 
<2022-05-10T05:52:30.000Z> hazlin: true, though, learning about the modern state of the Hexapla, I am not too worried about the criticisms of cannon or other books
<2022-05-10T05:52:49.000Z> hazlin: I'm rather of the mind, it will harmonize with the rest, or it wont
<2022-05-10T05:53:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: The biggest issue I have is the invalidation of Christ being the only path
<2022-05-10T05:53:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically yeah
<2022-05-10T05:54:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's actually a pretty decent handful of extent texts I'd argue should be canon despite there being practically no connections, simply because they don't contradict
<2022-05-10T05:57:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: I was actually cataloging some of those for a English rendering of the full Greek Bible with those texts that are consistent as addendums for further reading
<2022-05-10T05:57:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Kind of stopped that project, but maybe I should get back to it
<2022-05-10T05:58:55.000Z> hazlin: that does sound nice
<2022-05-10T06:00:00.000Z> hazlin: I've actually wanted an interlinear LXX, I finally got once recently, but it isn't line over line, but paragraph beside paragraph! I will need more greek before I can progress through that xD
<2022-05-10T06:00:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's mostly because I'm disgusted with the state of modern Bibles and then being copywritten
<2022-05-10T06:01:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Apostolic Bible polyglot is acceptable but has issues, it's line by line and has a concordance in the back. Free copy on biblehub.com btw...
<2022-05-10T06:02:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Greekdoc website is... Down. Bummer. That was a good reference site. 
<2022-05-10T06:02:58.000Z> hazlin: That is where I grabbed those interlinear screen caps of what was being translated giant earlier
<2022-05-10T06:04:35.000Z> hazlin: I didn't know they had biblehub.com/interlinear/apostolic/genesis/1.htm
<2022-05-10T06:04:40.000Z> hazlin: thanks for the recommendation
<2022-05-10T06:05:22.000Z> hazlin: Honestly, I want to take the time to make an offline version of this and the MG version 
<2022-05-10T06:05:34.000Z> hazlin: I really don't like this always online bullshit
<2022-05-10T06:06:47.000Z> hazlin: one of the main reasons I've stuck with the KJV, because no one can tell me what to do with it xD
<2022-05-10T06:07:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Aside from learning modern early English? 
<2022-05-10T06:08:15.000Z> hazlin: ?
<2022-05-10T06:09:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: ABP has physical copies at their website
<2022-05-10T06:09:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: MG?
<2022-05-10T06:10:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Personally I love buying the facsimile copies of KJV to give to onlyists lmao
<2022-05-10T06:12:21.000Z> hazlin: Yeah, not a KJV onlyist, I've got studied it the most, know where some of the errors are, and where things could be translated better, it is very comfy, but the physical ABP looks amazing, think I'll order one right now xD
<2022-05-10T06:13:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's a good copy, I can vouch for it. Just not the best source texts tbh
<2022-05-10T06:13:34.000Z> hazlin: masoretic text, they did perposely change some parts, however they didn't change everything, so it does have its uses along side the LXX, and what ever the Sumerians preserved, and maybe the targums 
<2022-05-10T06:16:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: MT, the pure uncorrected version, is one I want to get ahold of. It'd be like the holy grail of getting people to realize there's a problem. 
<2022-05-10T06:16:50.000Z> hazlin: true, short of what I'd hoped for with the dead sea scrolls
<2022-05-10T06:16:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: The corrected version is typically used in Bibles or references for Christians, which is corrected using the LXX except it spots where they decided that the MT was somehow superior
<2022-05-10T06:17:06.000Z> hazlin: but they only provide partial coverage from what I understand
<2022-05-10T06:17:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: DSS are actually hilarious to me. All the Old Testament bits validate the properness of LXX
<2022-05-10T06:18:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's a segment of Isiah they found, if I remember, that validates LXX as true and disproves the uncorrected MT as being purposely corrupted
<2022-05-10T06:20:39.000Z> hazlin: I once heard from a reliable source that they made a record of when they changed various parts
<2022-05-10T06:20:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Interesting
<2022-05-10T06:21:09.000Z> hazlin: I would really like to know where those records are, but that ministry was long gone by the time this information got into my hands
<2022-05-10T06:21:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: I know there's a rough timetable that can be assumed, but didn't know about that
<2022-05-10T06:22:34.000Z> hazlin: if my memory is correct that make the some of the changes in the 1200s and made a note of the changing being to make the scripture less supportive to Christians
<2022-05-10T06:23:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup. All the stuff changed deals with Christ, or them screwing up transcribing it 
<2022-05-10T06:25:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is also why I hinge up on Nephilim. It's a nonsense word that literally originates in the MT. Lol 
<2022-05-10T06:26:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's likely a transcription error, as they probably began calling the giants something like "the fallen" but because the word written wasnt a real word, it became an idiotic name
<2022-05-10T06:26:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like the book of Jasher
<2022-05-10T06:28:05.000Z> hazlin: Is Jasher the one that deals with Abraham's birth?
<2022-05-10T06:30:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: No one really knows. It's lost. But it's asserted it's supposed to be "the book of the upright/righteous" 
<2022-05-10T06:30:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: But due to a transcription error when writing...
<2022-05-10T06:30:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Jasher
<2022-05-10T06:32:33.000Z> hazlin attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/54646b50c09451cc5d6dc9339a15f2f4ed02143a7101dcb0d2eb4ff4f6948a67.png
<2022-05-10T06:33:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nice, those are new 
<2022-05-10T06:34:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've got the soft leather bound 
<2022-05-10T06:34:10.000Z> hazlin: they look really nice, and a lot more usable than some of the stuff I currently have
<2022-05-10T06:39:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hopefully they work out for you then 👍
<2022-05-10T06:41:40.000Z> hazlin: You know, while we've been talking I've got nuggers boilerplate RCC/orthodox statement open. He makes a statement:Nephilim are demon possessed giants.Then his supporting argument is, my brain is an unreliable interpreter, and that the church as a collective is a super brain that is a reliable interpreter... it is like
<2022-05-10T06:42:50.000Z> hazlin: It is like, I have a personal relationship with Jesus, and He is always teaching me and shedding light on the Bible, and my understanding grows all the time, it is self evident this is true
<2022-05-10T06:43:08.000Z> hazlin: but, Nugger acts like he doesn't have a relationship with Christ
<2022-05-10T06:43:30.000Z> hazlin: and God doesn't help free him from the lies of the world and establishes him in truth
<2022-05-10T06:44:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's a consistent issue with a lot of various sects, I've seen this even the sects I personally approve of, or they invent stumbling blocks to believe in 
<2022-05-10T06:46:34.000Z> hazlin: I'm not sure how serious it is, on an eternal scale. I can see the different groups of Christians are divide by how big or small they believe God's goodness to them personally is
<2022-05-10T06:46:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Usually I've noticed personally I try to seek something out but get assailed with something seemingly random that actually helps dramatically expand my understanding
<2022-05-10T06:47:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it ultimately depends on if they actually accept Christ is full and completely as in their actual, no holds bar savior
<2022-05-10T06:49:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: If you think Christ will save you but only if you're part of xyz subgroup, there's a problem. Or a lot of the other various arguments. Like praying to Mary being necessary or more. Huge stumbling block, big risk. 
<2022-05-10T06:49:03.000Z> hazlin: True, I just look at the ortho/RCC and go "they claim Jesus is the savior, but are scared to pray or talk to him, and prefer pagan intermediaries... I wonder if they are in eternal danger or not?"
<2022-05-10T06:49:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's moreso a holdober from when they were pagan and then ended up enshrined as tradition
<2022-05-10T06:51:09.000Z> hazlin: and so I wonder, is paganism with the same traditions, some of the same names even, but also that Jesus is the savoir, is that enough
<2022-05-10T06:51:15.000Z> hazlin: and I honestly don't know
<2022-05-10T06:51:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: No. It's too much. You only need Christ. 
<2022-05-10T06:52:17.000Z> hazlin: I more meant, is tacking Jesus onto the end enough xD
<2022-05-10T06:52:23.000Z> hazlin: but I agree
<2022-05-10T06:53:32.000Z> hazlin: my wondering is more in the vein, is the Savior lost in the mixing
<2022-05-10T06:54:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: In some cases he is. There's a phot I wished I had saved off an rcc wedding that highly encapsulated this issue.
<2022-05-10T06:55:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Center stage for the altar was a statue of Mary, which the bride and groom were standing before and praying to. Off to the side was a statue of Christ on the Cross. 
<2022-05-10T06:56:00.000Z> hazlin: That pretty much sums up the danger doesn't it xD
<2022-05-10T06:56:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes,
<2022-05-10T06:57:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's also the reason I'm pretty wary of an ideal of ecumenism despite that being something that desperately needs to happen to save many western countries right now...
<2022-05-10T06:59:30.000Z> hazlin: hmm, the reoccurring theme of the Bible is the majority is almost never right. The world needs Jesus, another revival or reformation, but they will come from an individual of faith.
<2022-05-10T06:59:51.000Z> hazlin: the people will have to come out of the dead institutions, and form a new group 
<2022-05-10T13:20:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Likely. I have a feeling the various sects will lurch on before it becomes too painfully apparent and they're absorbed into healthier groups, for better or worse
<2022-05-10T13:21:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Likely worsening them if how some people are is consistent 
<2022-05-10T13:24:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: 😂 wether or not improvement occurs will probably be based around wether or not we go full patriarchal and let the mentally sound try and do things for once https://i.poastcdn.org/049e6692f251c0d3c02e7ee22a7a8149bfaaba2f4ea52566698873c9359170b3.png
<2022-05-10T13:32:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Seems like someone is still mad as hell that I disproved and correctly named their intentions awhile back lmao 
<2022-05-10T13:35:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also, another point issue with nuggers boilerplate on tradition being superior and trumping text: Orthodox position is that the text is tradition. 
<2022-05-10T21:43:12.000Z> hazlin: text as tradition for RCC/orthodox. But you know, that is how things were when Marcion but together his proto new testament. The leadership of the Christians had seated all the authority in themselves  
<2022-05-10T21:44:15.000Z> hazlin: so effective was putting Paul's writings together as a source of truth to try the teachings of the church leaders, that it seems to have been the reason why a NT cannon was put together at all
<2022-05-10T21:45:34.000Z> hazlin: It also puts the motives, and choices of those north african counsels into question, and seems to be sufficient grounds to scrutinize each book of the NT
<2022-05-10T21:46:58.000Z> hazlin: It is apparent that we have accurately the original words of the authors of each of the books. But, they vary in their beliefs.
<2022-05-10T22:05:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Scrutiny is good, which is why simply going alone with whatever is bad. If you can't question something it likely isn't true
<2022-05-10T22:09:03.000Z> hazlin: so true, nugger doesn't even seem to realize it, but making a statement, and then supporting it with "because RCC/orthodox leadership says so" is that unacceptable Trust The Experts crap we have been getting from the government these last few years
<2022-05-10T22:10:08.000Z> hazlin: maybe, when talking to RCC/Orthodox and I just support my point with "because Martin Luther said so"
<2022-05-10T22:13:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-05-10T23:33:31.000Z> hazlin: Didn't you know?! you are only allowed to interact with them, by affirming their statements, also your intentions must be pure
<2022-05-10T23:33:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Apparently
<2022-05-10T23:33:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just saw that I take it? Lmao
<2022-05-10T23:35:23.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I've only ever seen the term semen retention used in a secular context
<2022-05-10T23:45:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've only seen it used to mean absolutely no cooming by body builders and athletes, as in not even orgasming lmao
<2022-05-10T23:45:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Insane
<2022-05-10T23:52:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: Really showcases how fake some people are. No whining passive aggressive take for the fedora in the thread, or pagan lmao
<2022-05-10T23:53:36.000Z> hazlin: reminds me of the one time I commented on a video 'godcast' posted, it was a discussion about the watchers, but at the very beginning he says enoch is crap, and then proceeded to read from a pagan source instead 
<2022-05-10T23:53:59.000Z> hazlin: I said that the guy in the video was dumb for doing that, and it turns out he was the guy in the video 
<2022-05-10T23:54:13.000Z> hazlin: all sorts of people came out of no where to tell me that I shouldn'
<2022-05-10T23:54:14.000Z> hazlin: t
<2022-05-10T23:54:23.000Z> hazlin: argue with 'godcast' because he is popular
<2022-05-10T23:54:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-05-10T23:55:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: And then yesterday his buddy is defending it 😂
<2022-05-10T23:58:04.000Z> hazlin: honestly, nugger's take was, inconsistent with enoch, and even with Gensis, him saying "the church father's say so" doesn't actually explain his position
<2022-05-10T23:59:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Tertullian was excommunicated for being a heretic btw, the other references were self referring and aren't valid 
<2022-05-11T00:01:39.000Z> hazlin: yeah, but they can't discard Tertullian because he oversaw the canonization, honestly, when he was declared a montanist, that made him much closer to a protestant since Luther borrowed a lot from them (or at least, they ended up being similar)
<2022-05-11T00:02:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: I thought it was that he was a Donatist? 
<2022-05-11T00:03:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Depends on the argument honestly, I've seen apostolics discard him immediately
<2022-05-11T00:04:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll still have to hunt for Tertullians take on Enoch, I highly doubt as a versed biblical scholar he'd be approving of it or even all three books, even assuming what we have is what he had
<2022-05-11T00:08:04.000Z> hazlin: regarding Tertullian I believe he was first against the Montanists, then came to believe that the holy spirit could help you understand scripture and was in turn declared a Montanists, and the Donatist where a group that came later trying to emulate him or something. 
<2022-05-11T00:08:58.000Z> hazlin: on a personal level I am only aware of him advocating for the three strike rule, because he was a church leader before and after the Christian persecution ended
<2022-05-11T00:09:14.000Z> hazlin: but if he ended up a montanist, he may have been more likeable in person
<2022-05-11T00:10:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: From what I recall he became a Donatist as a result of the persecutions, which were caused by a local priest who was happily handing off believers to Rome. After that he was considered a heretic, I think until he died.
<2022-05-11T00:13:01.000Z> hazlin: interesting
<2022-05-11T00:13:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll have to recheck, it's been awhile since I've read over this stuff
<2022-05-11T00:14:00.000Z> hazlin: tbh, my understand is sort of indirect, because when I look up heresy there account seems very bias'ed so I haven't studied him specifically
<2022-05-11T00:14:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: The Catholic church at the time was unwilling to acknowledge that said priest should be held accountable and was assmad that the locals wouldn't accept him though; I do recall that with clarity
<2022-05-11T00:15:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Donatists believe that for a sacrament to be valid the priest much be 100% pure and basically sinless. When I first read that I thought that maybe it was an elaborate troll to dunk on the catholic church at the time considering what they had been through, but those dudes were serious 
<2022-05-11T00:15:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or at least that's what the catholic church says about them
<2022-05-11T00:18:17.000Z> hazlin: a specific fact about I am aware of is, after the persecution ended, many who had abandon their faith returned, and he wasn't sure what to do with them, so he decided that after you got saved, you could sin once (their abandonment), twice (and it would be forgiven), but the third time you were out
<2022-05-11T00:19:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Jeez, maybe Tertullian wasn't that great of a biblical scholar then 😂 I'll have to check with what they were working with 
<2022-05-11T00:19:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: I believe this exact issue is addressed in the NT
<2022-05-11T00:20:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: "how many times should we forgive someone?" 
<2022-05-11T00:20:30.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-05-11T00:20:32.000Z> hazlin: so true!
<2022-05-11T00:20:52.000Z> hazlin: but I could see sinless priests being a result of such teaching
<2022-05-11T00:21:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: I would say if it's a matter of abandoning their faith however, that besides asking for forgiveness they need to do some heavy introspection...
<2022-05-11T00:21:35.000Z> hazlin: sadly my dictionary of the middle ages doesn't have an entry for Tertullian, he must have just been a little to early, or not with the authors' notice
<2022-05-11T00:22:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Anything outside of Europe gets ignored
<2022-05-11T00:22:41.000Z> hazlin: Well, that kind of purity is all fine and good, until it is turned against you, then you go "pff well they are the ones that are wrong"
<2022-05-11T00:22:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like when the mongols showed up and demanded to be Christian...
<2022-05-11T00:24:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not ever seen it in any history book outside of a few
<2022-05-11T00:25:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Did you know about that? 
<2022-05-11T00:26:13.000Z> hazlin: I did not!
<2022-05-11T00:30:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Mongol empire shows up and demands priests from the rcc, as one of their leaders apparently came across Christianity and said 'I want this for my empire and people's, rcc nod along and assure them they'll send priests.  They don't because it'd upset their political stranglehold on Europe.
<2022-05-11T00:30:37.000Z> hazlin: wow!
<2022-05-11T00:30:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Mongolia barely had any Christian prescense 
<2022-05-11T00:30:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Has*
<2022-05-11T00:32:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: May be misremembering this, but I do recall being pissed about this when first reading of it
<2022-05-11T00:33:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: May be misremembering this, but I do recall being pissed about this when first reading of it
<2022-05-11T00:34:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: He demanded something like a thousand priests and they did, like a decade or more later, sent like five 
<2022-05-11T00:34:39.000Z> hazlin: it sounds worth learning about, say, I have to run an errand, so replies will be delayed
<2022-05-11T00:34:41.000Z> hazlin: ttyl
<2022-05-11T00:39:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Later man
<2022-05-11T07:47:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: five minute search on a general exposition on enoch and I immediately find a modern scholar blowing it apart verse by verse
<2022-05-11T07:48:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: The most telling being that "hell" is mentioned
<2022-05-11T07:49:04.000Z> hazlin: happen to know the chapter/verse?
<2022-05-11T07:49:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: chapter 51:1 
<2022-05-11T07:49:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch 1
<2022-05-11T07:49:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: another issue, I was combining all three books in my head because I've only ever seen them presented that way lmao
<2022-05-11T07:50:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Each successive book is more and more heretical
<2022-05-11T07:51:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: also Enoch that we have best dates to 1400AD, while referenced claims of a book of enoch are from 170-ish BC with obvious later additions
<2022-05-11T07:51:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: otherwise the word hell wouldn't appear in it
<2022-05-11T07:54:17.000Z> hazlin: in mine 51:1 or 51 doesn't have the world hell
<2022-05-11T07:54:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: hades in your copy?
<2022-05-11T07:55:08.000Z> hazlin: nothing even close
<2022-05-11T07:55:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: interesting
<2022-05-11T07:56:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: 1 And in those days shall the earth also give back that which has been entrusted to it, And Sheol also shall give back that which it has received, And hell shall give back that which it owes.
<2022-05-11T07:56:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Woah
<2022-05-11T07:56:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: just found the other version lmao
<2022-05-11T07:57:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch 51:1 After that period, in the place where I had seen every secret sight, I was snatched up in a whirlwind, and carried off westwards.
<2022-05-11T07:57:43.000Z> hazlin: ah it is listed as 50:1 for me
<2022-05-11T07:58:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah
<2022-05-11T07:58:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: so theres apparently an older extent copy then that has major disagreements even within itself
<2022-05-11T07:58:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: jeez
<2022-05-11T07:58:54.000Z> hazlin: but you know, I've looked at more than a dozen different translations trying to find one that is a literal 
<2022-05-11T07:58:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm making a general video on all three books
<2022-05-11T07:59:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: then a video on nephilim
<2022-05-11T07:59:13.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2022-05-11T07:59:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: best copy i've found comes from The universal bible
<2022-05-11T08:00:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Going to make them even angrier simply by ignoring them and acting as if I'm making informative education videos that are part shitpost
<2022-05-11T08:00:30.000Z> hazlin: btw, why is hell a problem?
<2022-05-11T08:01:21.000Z> hazlin: I feel like, bit or abyss get translated hell, and they are used even in the psalms 
<2022-05-11T08:01:27.000Z> hazlin: err pit*
<2022-05-11T08:01:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao, troll through the Old testament for awhile. It's never specifically called hell; it means the text was screwed with assuming it was legit from 170-ish BC
<2022-05-11T08:01:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: The term hell itself doesnt appear until during the NT, during Christ
<2022-05-11T08:02:06.000Z> hazlin: isn't hell like a transliteration
<2022-05-11T08:02:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: depends on the language honestly
<2022-05-11T08:03:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch isn't taken out of greek or anything, its from ethopic
<2022-05-11T08:03:52.000Z> hazlin: right, but, I feel like the word choice is probably going to be from the English translators 
<2022-05-11T08:04:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll check scripture and then the extent text, but most scholars I'm coming across are point out this discrepancy also
<2022-05-11T08:05:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: check out verse 2 of chapter 50 btw
<2022-05-11T08:05:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: your chapter 50
<2022-05-11T08:05:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: You have to wait till Jesus returns to be saved. 
<2022-05-11T08:07:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: aight, so in the NT the term used is Gehenna. I just need to check the ethiopic if it has that term applied or something similar as opposed to what they use for sheol
<2022-05-11T08:08:33.000Z> hazlin: Gehenna literal is valley
<2022-05-11T08:09:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: its used interchangably in text to mean hell. A place of torment and suffering that the wicked are sent to after death
<2022-05-11T08:09:42.000Z> BrothorCraig attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/e47804180082fca50f578d532de71c5937103ea3c5118638974e277ab223a082.jpg
<2022-05-11T08:10:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: the greek text uses it almost exclusively 
<2022-05-11T08:10:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: the greek text uses it almost exclusively 
<2022-05-11T08:14:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: appears they utilize a different term for "hell" in there language, so it does say hell. Gonna recheck the LXX for gehenna
<2022-05-11T08:17:16.000Z> hazlin: I've got Deuteronomy 32:22 using hades
<2022-05-11T08:17:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: In the Greek? 
<2022-05-11T08:18:33.000Z> hazlin: looks greek to me https://i.poastcdn.org/505bf56c1930f7b7d976be055baf89207b78477a27fa118b91eedf1dfc2d3aeb.png
<2022-05-11T08:18:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: im only finding hades in all the references I've pulled so far
<2022-05-11T08:19:20.000Z> hazlin: I've only checked 2, but same here
<2022-05-11T08:19:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: seven on my side
<2022-05-11T08:20:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah, its just hades all the way down lmao
<2022-05-11T08:20:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: huge discrepancy
<2022-05-11T08:20:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: proves it was altered sometime in the 1st century or later
<2022-05-11T08:20:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: assuming this is even the same Enoch the ancients talked about
<2022-05-11T08:25:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: well, other video is done rendering. Time to film lmao
<2022-05-11T08:25:51.000Z> hazlin: hmm, it doesn't feel very solid to me. And, as for 50:2 that sounds like resurrection sunday rather than the final judgement 
<2022-05-11T08:31:51.000Z> hazlin: I say it doesn't feel solid, because, the meaning of the world in the ethiopic may have drifted over time, or it may have simply been changed in the copying process over time
<2022-05-11T08:32:56.000Z> hazlin: I'd have a hard time throwing a book out over a single word. Not a big fan of lower or higher criticisms personally.
<2022-05-11T08:33:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: there are other bigger issues lol
<2022-05-11T08:34:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Who is the leader of the angels who rebelled?
<2022-05-11T08:34:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Multiple satans
<2022-05-11T08:34:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch mentions his grandson Noah...
<2022-05-11T08:35:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: fallen angels being bound and thrown into holes by men...
<2022-05-11T08:36:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: angels cannot speak to God, rebellion angels repentant but not received back
<2022-05-11T08:36:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literal flat earth model
<2022-05-11T08:36:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literal geocentrism 
<2022-05-11T08:36:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch counted every star and named all of them
<2022-05-11T08:37:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Michael and Gabriel swap places for some unknown reason
<2022-05-11T08:39:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: angels built the Ark, not noah
<2022-05-11T08:39:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch speaks repeatedly of Rain, this is inconsistent with genesis
<2022-05-11T08:40:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Phanuel is placed as a redeemer,supplanting Christ
<2022-05-11T08:40:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gadreel tempted Eve...
<2022-05-11T08:41:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Giants mentioned in Enoch are either 11,000 feet tall or 450 feet tall; absurdly huge and larger than what is found in the OT
<2022-05-11T08:41:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: garden of eden survived the flood
<2022-05-11T08:42:07.000Z> hazlin: hmm can you kill the tree of life?
<2022-05-11T08:42:15.000Z> hazlin: I always assumed it was taken out of the earth
<2022-05-11T08:42:26.000Z> hazlin: or hidden within it or something
<2022-05-11T08:42:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Regardless of what happened we know it isn't here or accessible anymore
<2022-05-11T08:43:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: even then, based on ancient interrpretations this is still a significant problem
<2022-05-11T08:43:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ancients didn't regard genesis as absolutely literal, but someone who doesn't know better like a gnostic might
<2022-05-11T08:54:22.000Z> hazlin: interesting very interesting 
<2022-05-11T08:54:38.000Z> hazlin: I can see there is a lot more there than the part I had originally read
<2022-05-11T08:54:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: theres a ton of stuff
<2022-05-11T08:55:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: that and the fact that we can't reconcile fully the manuscript from the 1400s with what is written about in the past...
<2022-05-11T08:56:12.000Z> hazlin: though tbh, these points do not greatly trouble me
<2022-05-11T08:57:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Its more than enough reason to discount it, that and the fact that it was only preserved because a isolated sect kept it
<2022-05-11T08:57:24.000Z> hazlin: enoch has always reminded me a lot of revelations
<2022-05-11T08:58:45.000Z> hazlin: lots of parts that, well I don't know what they concretely mean
<2022-05-11T08:59:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: For revelation thats fine since its prophecy, but Enoch isnt 
<2022-05-11T09:00:04.000Z> hazlin: enoch has tons of prophecy
<2022-05-11T09:00:30.000Z> hazlin: and many things presented about things in heaven, that sort of symbolic talk
<2022-05-11T09:02:07.000Z> hazlin: I can see why it is so poo poo'ed
<2022-05-11T09:02:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Its just bad overall and incredibly questionable to the point that it can't be legitimate
<2022-05-11T09:03:54.000Z> hazlin: well, that is true for books in the cannon xD Out of all the points you listed, none of them represent serious conflict with the cannon to the point where I'd feel comfortable excluding it
<2022-05-11T09:04:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: the document itself even lends to the idea that I have that the current version isn't what the ancients had
<2022-05-11T09:04:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: Angels speak directly to God, this is a serious discrepancy 
<2022-05-11T09:04:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: The entire book of Job is basically Satan and God discussing and testing the man
<2022-05-11T09:05:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch says they cant
<2022-05-11T09:05:14.000Z> hazlin: that they can? didn't Gabriel tell Ezekiel that he came from the throne of God with the message?
<2022-05-11T09:05:49.000Z> hazlin: hmm, isn't the first part, the angels and God talking about what to do with the fallen watchers?
<2022-05-11T09:06:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: 13:5-6,14:4-5,7
<2022-05-11T09:06:30.000Z> hazlin: if you mean the fallen ones, they seem fallen in a different way than satan, and were cut off from god, and unable to return to heaven
<2022-05-11T09:06:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: excuse me, fallen angels, still a contradiction
<2022-05-11T09:08:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Satan is still part of this category, the rules still apply
<2022-05-11T09:08:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also, flat earth
<2022-05-11T09:08:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Scripture describes atoms, a heliocentric model, and even proper concepts of space
<2022-05-11T09:09:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch promotes flat earth, geocentrism, and the idea that you can physically travel to heaven 
<2022-05-11T09:09:55.000Z> hazlin: naa satan is always doing things with a light touch, I've not seen anywhere he made his body the sort that could interact with than, like the watchers did, they seems to have different goals, they entered into the world more fully and subjugated man
<2022-05-11T09:09:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: as in travel to it
<2022-05-11T09:10:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: apocryphal
<2022-05-11T09:11:29.000Z> hazlin: the earth is probably the center of this area, and when he starts talking about things moving through gates and portals and such, it doesn't seem like he is viewing things from the same literal view point that we are
<2022-05-11T09:12:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Personally Im confident in claiming a forgery and something that should be discounted fully
<2022-05-11T09:13:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: theres just too many issues imo
<2022-05-11T09:13:59.000Z> hazlin: well, that is how things are, we must find out what is true, we are our own experts after all. Such things shouldn't be delegated
<2022-05-11T09:15:11.000Z> hazlin: so, we disagree on enoch, that is fine with me. Getting to 100% sync with another person is hard xD
<2022-05-11T09:16:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean if you wanna read it its no big deal, but you definitely shouldn't build any kind of world view or theology on it; which is my biggest issue with it
<2022-05-11T09:16:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: people seize on things that are nonsense and then find whatever they can to justify what they want to believe
<2022-05-11T09:17:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: "No, demon-sex babies are real because Enoch is true!" 
<2022-05-11T09:17:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: definite issue lmao
<2022-05-11T09:17:42.000Z> hazlin: I thought that was true before I knew enoch existed xD
<2022-05-11T09:18:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: its a recent thing because of the usage of the Masoretic Text. Whats this term? Lets make up an explanation. So they trolled around till they found enoch and then just never mentioned thats where they get it from. 
<2022-05-11T09:18:52.000Z> hazlin: and, I think our starting places have a lot of desync, so we are drawing different conclusions about enoch. I mean, I am willing to through out books actually in the Bible if I can reach a personal certainty that they are incorrect so, enoch is much less established than that xD
<2022-05-11T09:19:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Theres a similar thing thats happened with a discrepancy in the KJV and KJV onlyists having to explain it
<2022-05-11T09:21:56.000Z> hazlin: I would refer to Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
<2022-05-11T09:22:32.000Z> hazlin: You are actually the first person I've met that rejects the literal meaning here
<2022-05-11T09:23:53.000Z> hazlin: I'm pretty comfortable with the literal meanings, except they don't seem to hold up in all cases in revelations or revelation like prophecy. 
<2022-05-11T09:25:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: How do you mean? It's literally just the singular word thats only from the corrupted text, the statement there is pretty clear. There were two pirmary groups of men, one good and one evil and then they began to intermingle. This meshes perfectly with post-flood as a means of explaining why giants suddenly reoccured...
<2022-05-11T09:25:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: My issue is solely with the word nephilim
<2022-05-11T09:25:28.000Z> hazlin: 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
<2022-05-11T09:26:18.000Z> hazlin: 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
<2022-05-11T09:26:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: nephilim brings connotations of supernatural demon-spawn; my stance is that they were simply oversized, overpowered men. Men of renown.
<2022-05-11T09:26:56.000Z> hazlin: I mean, it looks like, men were multiplying, then these sons of God joined in and we got giants, and god immediately wanted to destroy the earth
<2022-05-11T09:27:17.000Z> hazlin: "the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
<2022-05-11T09:27:24.000Z> hazlin: it sounds like they were supernatural
<2022-05-11T09:27:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: God wanted to destroy the earth because the "good" people destroyed themselves through sex with those who were evil. They intermingled with them. Noah and his kin were the only ones who didn't do this. 
<2022-05-11T09:28:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: otherwise the selection of Noah as being worthy doesnt make as much sense
<2022-05-11T09:28:49.000Z> hazlin: I don't see that spelled out
<2022-05-11T09:28:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Why kill everyone but noah and his kin unless the others are corrupted and see nothing wrong with engaging with the daughters of man
<2022-05-11T09:29:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: gen 6:9
<2022-05-11T09:29:52.000Z> hazlin: like Saddam they were destroyed -> "and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" 
<2022-05-11T09:30:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: implication in text being that he was clean genetically and morally
<2022-05-11T09:30:17.000Z> hazlin: morally yes, but you are inserting genetically
<2022-05-11T09:32:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: If noah is ment to be the restart point, how did giants reoccur if its a matter of literal lineage if youre subscribing to the nephilim idea? suddenly, you have to grasp at outside texts to explain
<2022-05-11T09:33:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: if its merely an anolymy that occurs for whatever reason, moreso in incestious and evil societies; this in harmony with both pre and post flood and clear interpretation
<2022-05-11T09:33:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: if its literal demon spawn, we have a lot of logical problems to work through
<2022-05-11T09:37:19.000Z> hazlin: it is true that some of the details are fuzzy, what happens when nephilim continue to breed? can you dilute it to the point that giantism become a receive trait? Is there another explanation? I am not sure
<2022-05-11T09:38:37.000Z> hazlin: BrotherCraig, I have enjoyed our discussion to night, I learned a lot. But, my body is low on heat lol, and I should get some sleep.
<2022-05-11T09:39:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: lol
<2022-05-11T09:39:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: later
<2022-05-11T22:44:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: The more I delve into the Enoch books and their timeline and more the more certain I am that they're the result of gnostics or some other cult, which is why they weren't properly maintained at all
<2022-05-11T23:45:57.000Z> hazlin: Oh yeah? Discover more issues? 
<2022-05-11T23:46:16.000Z> hazlin: I've been looking at the evangelism thread here poa.st/@Christ_is_Lord/posts/AJKygJpToDnu2OdFTs
<2022-05-11T23:46:59.000Z> hazlin: And the mechanics of Pope remove thread here poa.st/@Koropokkur/posts/AJM5JmPSHAVGr2cQS0
<2022-05-11T23:51:42.000Z> hazlin: My thoughts on the evangelism thread are, they are trying to formulate the mechanics of the revivals. Instead of lives changed by grace, they see people "forced" to change their life style, and this keeps them from backsliding.
<2022-05-11T23:53:33.000Z> hazlin: instead of the Holy Spirit ministering to the hearts of the people, they see a matter of tactics, (don't point out wrong doing, instead reccontextualize their actions according to the scripture)
<2022-05-11T23:55:47.000Z> hazlin: As for the pope mechanic one, the glaring hole in their official procedure is that, if the Holy Spirit leads the Pope to voluntarily resign, then it would happen before counsels on the matter informed the Pope he should step down.
<2022-05-11T23:57:20.000Z> hazlin: Since it only happens after the fact, the only conclusion that can be drawn is it wasn't voluntarily.
<2022-05-12T00:30:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-05-12T00:30:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is why I'm just blowing up at some of these guys, they don't actually believe what they claim and their answers are proof of it. 
<2022-05-12T00:34:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: If people were saved they will hate their prior lives and change themselves, this is christianity 101
<2022-05-12T00:34:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: If you have to build social and ideological reasons outside of their own hearts to make them change, they're just spiting out words like the witch test
<2022-05-12T00:34:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: they likely arent saved
<2022-05-12T00:48:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: The part will be somehow constructing a theocratic state of nothing but unfaithful idiots...
<2022-05-12T00:52:12.000Z> hazlin: I suspect there wouldn't be any revival in the case
<2022-05-12T00:52:43.000Z> hazlin: which is why the RCC and orthox are on the decline (actually just them, but all groups)
<2022-05-12T00:54:02.000Z> hazlin: not* just them
<2022-05-12T00:56:14.000Z> hazlin: revivals happen where men preach expecting the power of God to change men's hearts
<2022-05-12T00:57:42.000Z> hazlin: because, if they don't think God is going to change those that hear his word, they will instead preach condemnation and virtues of good works
<2022-05-12T01:00:31.000Z> hazlin: which... basically everyone is doing right now xD
<2022-05-12T01:20:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-05-12T01:21:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, some non-denominationals are making headway but it's not huge, but sometimes that's all you need
<2022-05-12T01:22:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think part of it is because besides that stuff, there's also side issues of them all deciding to not focus on God but rather politics and more as a primary focus
<2022-05-12T01:23:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's an overwhelming number who are all about forming a political body or movement, rather than sitting down and forming a proper Christian community or even household
<2022-05-12T02:46:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: How can you lead a nation if you can't even order your house properly? Lol
<2022-05-12T03:21:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah. That's one thread is pretty horrendous. I'd almost be willing to bet money that the inuitits have a rather poor grasp of Christianity overall even today because of this
<2022-05-12T04:53:17.000Z> hazlin: Ministering to those closest to you, feels foreign to the modern church. They are always sending teachers to and help to far off places. They have the attitude that  church attendance is for learning and praising God only, and socializing has been actively discourage in many of the places I've attended over the years.
<2022-05-12T04:55:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup, its actually a big part of why churches are actually failing
<2022-05-12T04:55:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: No one is ministering to their own communities
<2022-05-12T04:56:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: To be rooted and established, is often times regarded as a sin by some of the "MUST" prosyletize to foriegners types
<2022-05-12T04:57:59.000Z> hazlin: I look at Jesus' ministry, how He didn't take up collections to feed the four-thousand or five-thousand. That instead, the people came to hear him teach, and they left without being separated from their wealth and with full stomachs. How strange Jesus appears when compared to the modern church 
<2022-05-12T04:58:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: And even moreso, because churches refuse to be rooted in their community: when they do try to reach out to the local community, it fails. 
<2022-05-12T04:58:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: theres a reason they used to have church all day with provided meals, wednesday potlucks and all of that
<2022-05-12T05:02:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's not just because people were nuts about the church and loved being there, though that was definitely a factor, it was because you have to be part of the community for them to want to engage with you. You have to take care of them, not just spiritually. A lot of people forget that. 
<2022-05-12T05:06:01.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2022-05-12T05:09:03.000Z> hazlin: I don't yet have proof of this, but I think seminaries are responsible for a lot of the shift. Because most of the churches seemed to shift to a community, to a once a week 1 hour pep-talk and cash extraction, at the same time.
<2022-05-12T05:09:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: its a definite part of it
<2022-05-12T05:10:11.000Z> hazlin: it is so disconnected from how church used to be, that I feel like it could have only happened in the insulated class rooms, because if they had mentored under a old timer, they would have inherited similar practices 
<2022-05-12T05:10:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'd imagine theres a definite foriegn interference involved, in destroying and ensuring theres community people are atomized and can't function; definitely beneficial to outsiders who want to destroy us
<2022-05-12T05:11:05.000Z> hazlin: for sure
<2022-05-12T05:12:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dunno, I think it began a little bit before the adoption of zionism and those corrupted free bibles 
<2022-05-12T05:12:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: im forgetting the name
<2022-05-12T05:12:38.000Z> hazlin: Scofield?
<2022-05-12T05:12:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: yes
<2022-05-12T05:13:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: my grandparents were part of a community church, my father remembers a community church but never had one
<2022-05-12T05:13:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: timeline fits
<2022-05-12T05:13:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: that and general further industrialization beyond whats necessary
<2022-05-12T05:14:17.000Z> hazlin: ugh, don't get me started on industrialization, cities and medicine and just bad
<2022-05-12T05:15:08.000Z> hazlin: modern cities that is, it sounds like the Romans had some very nice cities that were in balance 
<2022-05-12T05:15:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Honestly im starting to wonder if the Amish/Mennonites arent right about things lmao
<2022-05-12T05:15:25.000Z> hazlin: but these modern ones are, well, they are terminal, they aren't made to last
<2022-05-12T05:16:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-05-12T05:16:06.000Z> hazlin: that are right about a lot of things, but they don't have freedom to pursue and know God, so for that along it would be better to be free and dealing with the evils of a modern city
<2022-05-12T05:16:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: somewhat. It's very bad for the soul and the mind. 
<2022-05-12T05:17:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Mental health studies showed something rather shocking that isn't talked about enough
<2022-05-12T05:20:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: just being around trees and nature significantly reduces the likelihood of developing issues, and is actually beneficial for treating current mental health issues
<2022-05-12T05:21:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: We weren't made to live in sterile concrete boxes
<2022-05-12T05:23:19.000Z> hazlin: true!
<2022-05-12T05:23:27.000Z> hazlin: you know, I've started growing my own food
<2022-05-12T05:23:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: nice
<2022-05-12T05:23:43.000Z> hazlin: I've got like 10 fruit trees in the ground, and a small garden
<2022-05-12T05:23:52.000Z> hazlin: been reading a JADAM book on it
<2022-05-12T05:24:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've had no luck, only recently realized the soil is too basic. But now that I know what the problem is...
<2022-05-12T05:24:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Do have chickens and am planning on goats though
<2022-05-12T05:24:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: two apples, one peach tree myself
<2022-05-12T05:25:43.000Z> hazlin: you may consider reading the JADAM book, is basically asserts modern farming wisdom is a lie en.jadam.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=10910
<2022-05-12T05:26:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: interesting
<2022-05-12T05:26:37.000Z> hazlin: I've only like a few months in, so I can't 100% guarantee the methods described, but I am embracing them whole heartedly   
<2022-05-12T05:27:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Most of modern factory farming is complete dogshit, I've noticed a difference with my eggs and the meat I buy thats from proper farms
<2022-05-12T05:27:22.000Z> hazlin: same
<2022-05-12T05:28:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like I could legit eat a whole chicken from walmart with ease, proper farm chicken I can barely eat a leg and the wing before it just feels like its too much food
<2022-05-12T05:28:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think theres something about the nutrients or maybe the general quality and taste of the meat, something
<2022-05-12T05:28:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: and besides that, factory farming is horrendous for the animals. 
<2022-05-12T05:29:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'd honestly be willing to say that its satanic 
<2022-05-12T05:30:14.000Z> hazlin: a lot of the modern farming methods revolve around essentially sterilizing and introducing only controlled mono cultures 
<2022-05-12T05:31:02.000Z> hazlin: I am literally fermenting left over food or plant clippings in well water and sea water 
<2022-05-12T05:31:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: that and causing absolute nutrient depletion. You never see factory farms for corn or the like going through and rotating their feilds or dumping natural fertilizers, only re-feeding it with chemicals 
<2022-05-12T05:31:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: composting?
<2022-05-12T05:32:09.000Z> hazlin: naa literally fermenting them in 5 gallon buckets of water
<2022-05-12T05:32:43.000Z> hazlin: the idea is I am creating river bed soil
<2022-05-12T05:32:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: oooh
<2022-05-12T05:36:25.000Z> hazlin: that and, going with a wide spectrum micro biom instead of the modern farming mono approach, it is more robust as a diversity of bacteria keeps each other in check
<2022-05-12T05:38:10.000Z> hazlin: Soon I'll have all the indigence to make all natural soap, and that will mix with a herbal solution to keep those white moths from laying their eggs on my collard greens xD
<2022-05-12T05:38:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: lol
<2022-05-12T05:38:53.000Z> hazlin: right now, I am keeping them alive by, scrubbing off the eggs/caterpillars every other day with a tooth brush 
<2022-05-12T05:39:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: jeez
<2022-05-12T05:39:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: thats a bit nuts
<2022-05-12T05:39:55.000Z> hazlin: the white moths are nuts! you'd think they'd give up after a while!
<2022-05-12T05:41:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: insects are successful for a reason
<2022-05-12T05:41:35.000Z> hazlin: the places you'd expect to buy some common chemicals and bases, like tractor supply or lows didn't have anything, so I had to get them shipped here
<2022-05-12T05:41:38.000Z> hazlin: that is true xD
<2022-05-12T05:42:33.000Z> hazlin: which I guess makes them not common, but I don't think that was always the case
<2022-05-12T06:01:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: have been looking into how to make things though, finished out some homemade jam just recently and im gonna look at soaps next
<2022-05-12T06:01:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: eventual the goal is to get handtools and do woodworking the old school way
<2022-05-12T06:02:55.000Z> hazlin: nice
<2022-05-12T15:17:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: think im gonna see about cataloging my Revelation stuff soon as a general aside video to go over, 
<2022-05-12T15:19:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: would make a worthwhile video 
<2022-05-12T22:13:55.000Z> hazlin: Speaking of revelation, it appears that the Muslim partners in the Abraham accords, are the ones pushing to get the Jews build their third temple on the Temple Mount. 
<2022-05-12T22:14:27.000Z> hazlin: And, that is why over the last 2 years, the Jews have been permitted to talk about it publicly and even as News Media articles 
<2022-05-12T22:15:38.000Z> hazlin: On paper, Mid 2022, should be significant for world events. They are scheduled to finish the tri-temple-complex in the UAE, and the Pope is supposed to resign. 
<2022-05-12T22:23:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly, we'll see. Last time the temple was attempted to be rebuilt it didn't go so well lol
<2022-05-15T19:47:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao, my video is going to be brutal
<2022-05-15T19:48:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: So the closest language wise I can get to nephilim is Nephila in the Aramaic
<2022-05-15T19:55:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nephika is a stand in word in Aramaic, pulled for the middle eastern name of Orion, it means "giant(s)" 
<2022-05-15T19:57:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: It likely found it's way into the MT through the Aramaic text via improper preservation by someone reconstructing the document after the fact and only bothering with the one book
<2022-05-16T01:52:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nephila*
<2022-05-16T01:53:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch likely grabbed at this made up word to legitimize it, assuming what we have is the same original document
<2022-05-16T01:59:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: The more I read into this the more insane it becomes, 
<2022-05-16T04:58:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: The fact that Nephila appears as a generic term for giants in the Aramaic basically proves this... 
<2022-05-16T04:58:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also it's pretty clear that the books of Enoch, all three, are part of a gnostic set 
<2022-05-16T05:04:15.000Z> hazlin: BrotherCraig vs The Nephilim, a David and Goliath story, coming to a theater near you.
<2022-05-16T05:41:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, more like Enoch. When I approach something incorrect I don't just find one fault, I find every error possible and beat it to death until people are complaining about it
<2022-05-16T05:41:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-05-16T05:42:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Personality flaw? Maybe. Good at problem solving? Absolutely.
<2022-05-16T11:18:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm not even joking about the .hack thing man
<2022-05-16T11:18:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Compare the Japanese and English dubs 
<2022-05-16T11:18:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: If I had bought the US version I would have likely just deleted the game and hated the waste of cash
<2022-05-16T13:30:01.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-05-16T13:30:12.000Z> hazlin: Well, the .hack anime was wack
<2022-05-16T13:30:20.000Z> hazlin: so I never tried the games xD
<2022-05-16T13:30:48.000Z> hazlin: And by wack, I mean, what were they even about? I couldn't tell you xD
<2022-05-16T14:18:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: A guy gets stuck in an mmo
<2022-05-16T14:19:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically weirdo stuff involving games
<2022-05-16T14:19:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: The Japanese dub for the games are great, GU is a solid entry so far
<2022-05-16T14:37:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: the games are a build off of the show, but overall GU seems to be about the mmo going ape and just making new aspects and parts for itself 
<2022-05-16T15:30:45.000Z> hazlin: it does sound interesting
<2022-05-16T15:30:58.000Z> hazlin: and as a teen, I did want to go into that mmo in the show xD
<2022-05-17T12:48:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: poa.st/notice/AJWsEgC3EeH06uNiqm
<2022-05-17T12:49:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: I sure hope this kind of scenario isn't addressed anywhere in the Bible... 
<2022-05-17T13:01:11.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-05-17T13:03:17.000Z> hazlin: I see you posted from the perspective of "whoever is without sin should cast the first stone"
<2022-05-17T13:11:40.000Z> hazlin: I think this is an example of, whoever teaches that the Law of God, or the Traditions of men, produce righteousness or in their absence condemnation from God, is doing despite to the finished work of Jesus.
<2022-05-17T13:40:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: The issue is even more nuanced than that imo, there are consequences to this kind of retardation
<2022-05-17T13:40:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: >argument with woman>She accuses you of being an adulterer
<2022-05-17T13:41:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: We already have a huge issue with women not being held accountable in regards to accusations, why hand them the ability to execute people on a whim? 
<2022-05-17T13:41:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: What is the standard of evidence?
<2022-05-17T13:42:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: We are to emulate Christ, therefore executing someone for a moral failure is something certainly in our power but not necessarily the right thing; which is why Christ didn't execute the woman and told her to sin no more.
<2022-05-17T13:43:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Obviously if it's a consistent issue of unending whoring, then maybe... But still. Insane. 
<2022-05-17T13:44:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: To what degree is a thing considered adultery? 
<2022-05-17T13:53:33.000Z> hazlin: Ahh, that would be "if you lusted in your heart, than you are as guilty as the adulterer already"
<2022-05-17T13:54:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-05-17T13:54:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: Executed for popping a boner because of a dream
<2022-05-17T13:55:02.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-05-17T13:55:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: There is an interesting historical fact about the adulteress in the Bible though
<2022-05-17T14:02:56.000Z> hazlin: Is it a scriptural observation, or does she also appear in an extra-Biblical fashion?
<2022-05-17T14:04:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Scriptural, John 8
<2022-05-17T14:05:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: The interesting fact is: at the time they didn't bother with enforcing those laws as they were essentially unenforceable and not good in terms of practicality
<2022-05-17T14:10:47.000Z> hazlin: you mean by the fact, that it required catching the person in the act?
<2022-05-17T14:11:24.000Z> hazlin: Or that, they had already abandon enforcing the law, because the man caught in the act was not brought as well?
<2022-05-17T20:55:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically, though I think in that case it was mostly as a huge general test for Christ 
<2022-05-19T13:49:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think I'm going to drop some of my need videos and just focus on the bad e-xian takes of some of these guys...
<2022-05-19T13:50:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: The entire basis of the woman being brought to him was clearly a setup once you understand the general details. 
<2022-05-19T13:52:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: She was allegedly an adulterous woman, yet wasn't married. Where is the man? The evidentiary requirements means it's impossible to only have her. Then there's the other problem: where are these witnesses? In Accordance with the law they are the ones required to start stoning her, this is another hilarious part of the "he who is without sin". No witnesses, what is the evidence?
<2022-05-19T13:52:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nerd*
<2022-05-19T15:59:39.000Z> hazlin: It is certainly a sign of their times, you can see that the law was selectively enforced. They congratulated themselves on their righteousness, shouted it, on the public corner. The first layer is, they chose to only enforce it on the women, and then the second layer is that, instead of meeting out the law on the woman, they brought her to Jesus, it has the same feel as "is it right to pay taxes?". It must have been very unpopular, and unacceptable to the people to stone her, but they would accuse him of not up holding the law if he declined
<2022-05-19T16:01:00.000Z> hazlin: Perhaps this selective enforcement was wide spread, where the church leaders would only enforce the law to their benefit. 
<2022-05-19T16:06:32.000Z> hazlin: Jesus' sermon on the mount was a rebuke, to these leaders that would condemn men for their benefit, where they were as guilty as a murderer or adulterer before God, because of their thoughts, their fallen nature.
<2022-05-19T16:34:42.000Z> hazlin: Looking at this another way, they wouldn't stop the woman, because there would be outrage.
<2022-05-19T16:34:59.000Z> hazlin: however, they came to demand Jesus do it.
<2022-05-19T16:35:52.000Z> hazlin: It is like when Jesus said, they sit in the place of Moses, they bundle up heavy burdens for others to bear, but they do not carry them their selves.
<2022-05-19T16:56:42.000Z> hazlin: For me, the discussions they've been having on the topic, it is just so hard, I feel like Jesus' example is to be gentle, and isolating a sin, that you do not personally commit, and enforcing harsh judgement upon it... 
<2022-05-19T16:57:23.000Z> hazlin: is the opposite 
<2022-05-19T16:57:41.000Z> hazlin: It is the Anti-Christ, to Christ's example
<2022-05-19T19:29:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Antithesis. He isn't necessarily saying he gentle, but to be merciful. 
<2022-05-19T20:11:31.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I suppose the gentleness came into his implementation of the mercy 
<2022-05-19T20:11:54.000Z> hazlin: Because, He sure wasn't gentle with the self righteous 
<2022-05-20T23:04:41.000Z> hazlin: I see you making good points to the spinsters 
<2022-05-20T23:06:49.000Z> hazlin: I think exposing the asymmetry of a position should usually destroy it. However, they start on the grounds of asymmetric bias towards their own gender
<2022-05-20T23:09:14.000Z> hazlin: You say, making the sexes interchangeable created troons, and they say, men should be subservient xD
<2022-05-20T23:10:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's literally the fatal flaw in feminism, they don't recall that it says that sexes are equal and interchangeable
<2022-05-20T23:11:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: If feminism is true, then why aren't troons women? Lmao
<2022-05-20T23:38:17.000Z> hazlin: it seems, very anti-Christian
<2022-05-20T23:43:50.000Z> hazlin: I say that, because, it feels like their whole argument is "what right do you have to treat women differently from men"
<2022-05-20T23:45:56.000Z> hazlin: And, that feels like they are appealing to a mediator that must be respected, like God
<2022-05-21T05:09:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: They're appealing to men to enforcing their ideals while also hoping to browbeat those same men
<2022-05-21T11:36:37.000Z> hazlin: that would be an optimistic view xD I don't think these were the ideals they aspired to, like a modern DA, only insisting that a law must be enforced for a political reason 
<2022-05-21T11:42:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: No, that's literally what it is. And all the while they know that the thing they're asking for can't possibly be true. 
<2022-05-21T11:42:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: When push comes to shove, feminists begin begging men to enforce their nonsense
<2022-05-21T11:44:39.000Z> hazlin: xD !!!!
<2022-05-21T11:44:46.000Z> hazlin: that is such a good statement
<2022-05-21T11:45:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's true too, so it's even better
<2022-05-21T11:47:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: You've never seen that in person though? Lmao
<2022-05-21T11:48:55.000Z> hazlin: hmmm, no
<2022-05-21T11:49:09.000Z> hazlin: it has usually been the other way around
<2022-05-21T11:50:03.000Z> hazlin: men pushing feminism, by means of empowering girl bosses because it is culturally unacceptable to challenge their bullshit
<2022-05-21T11:51:23.000Z> hazlin: I've also seen girl bosses seeth and cope, when someone shit on them and their non-since 
<2022-05-21T11:51:40.000Z> hazlin: but they were committed to the girl boss image so they couldn't say shit xD
<2022-05-21T11:52:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol, haven't gotten to see that. Usually if a man is supporting it it's because there's a nearby feminist implying there will be sex if he behaves 
<2022-05-21T11:52:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or at least that's what I've seen
<2022-05-21T11:53:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: As well as, upon not getting the response she wants Trying to actively recruit men to harass the one who pushed back 
<2022-05-21T11:54:02.000Z> hazlin: tbh, I've only seen that on the internet xD
<2022-05-21T11:54:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Craig doesn't believe women should have rights, isn't that terrible?" 
<2022-05-21T11:54:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: "nah, not really."
<2022-05-21T11:55:04.000Z> hazlin: lol superlutherianhousewife did that to you hard with the witch test stuff xD
<2022-05-21T11:55:16.000Z> hazlin: she even at'ed you in the message
<2022-05-21T11:56:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup. 
<2022-05-21T11:57:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's all social pressure with women because they function as conformists. Anyone who doesn't confrom to them or what they want is inherently a bad person
<2022-05-21T11:57:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Seen that many times
<2022-05-21T11:59:42.000Z> hazlin: that is also a very RCC/Orthodox method 
<2022-05-21T12:00:27.000Z> hazlin: me -> Hey that doesn't make since because XYZthem -> You must accept it because everyone in the church accepts it
<2022-05-21T12:00:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's also a recipe for insanity and disaster. 
<2022-05-21T12:01:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, regardless I remembered the ultimate burn against the eo and will be using it in my Enoch video
<2022-05-21T12:02:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Going to refer to them as "the reformed eastern Orthodox"
<2022-05-21T12:04:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ever notice how women seem to be at the center of cults? 
<2022-05-21T12:05:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or, hilariously the verse about witches and what it really means...
<2022-05-21T12:09:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: They conform in everything, 
<2022-05-21T12:09:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's also why they aren't to be pastors or lead a congregation
<2022-05-21T12:20:23.000Z> hazlin: that is true
<2022-05-21T12:21:35.000Z> hazlin: the only counter example I can think of Clara Grace, who became a Christian in-spite of her husbands opposition. A lot of ministries seem to trace back to her
<2022-05-21T12:21:58.000Z> hazlin: but, an exception rather than the rule
<2022-05-21T12:22:17.000Z> hazlin: the rest of the time, it has been ministries being imploded by women 
<2022-05-21T12:22:47.000Z> hazlin: or, like their husband, obviously has a calling, but they insist on also teaching, and it is hot garbage 
<2022-05-21T12:30:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-06-01T12:03:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao, oh well. Some people's kids 😂
<2022-06-01T12:52:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Did you know that I trained under an MMA fighter for three years, had to do his routine simply because it was easier for him that way
<2022-06-01T12:53:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: My first sergeant, 
<2022-06-01T12:54:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hilariously, the only lifting was hand dumbells, the man never did heavy 'modern' lifting. Entire routine was cardio, endurance, and resistance based 
<2022-06-01T13:42:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh well. It was a fun argument while it lasted lmao
<2022-06-01T16:34:38.000Z> hazlin: I agree with you
<2022-06-01T16:36:10.000Z> hazlin: the modern stuff looks bad, actually growing up, my dad would hurt himself every time he would started to get into a regular exercise schedule  
<2022-06-01T16:37:18.000Z> hazlin: My mom and sister are hard core into Pilates, never an injury in all these years 
<2022-06-01T16:38:17.000Z> hazlin: it just has to bias as being for women, but it appears to be super safe and effective 
<2022-06-01T16:38:35.000Z> hazlin: though, it isn't about building lots of muscle mass
<2022-06-01T21:52:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well I mean compare old school, two hundred years ago, bodybuilding with modern stuff
<2022-06-01T21:53:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: One hand dumbbell and just focusing on each individual muscle group to exhaustion until you're just a wall of muscle versus slamming around metal until you're a mishappen dysmorphic mess
<2022-06-01T21:54:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Old school bodybuilders didn't have gym rat build for a reason, didn't have various injuries and never had any of the health issues either
<2022-06-01T21:55:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: The only reason things went retarded is because of bodybuilders from the 50-70s when it popularized as a consumable product and you had losers deciding to do things "fast" 
<2022-06-01T22:02:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: High risk, little reward. Then you have the insanity of chugging down chemical slurry and more. Working out and bodybuilding we're pozzed long before people realized it 
<2022-06-01T22:02:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Then there's the effective issues of practicality lmao
<2022-06-01T22:03:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Me and a coworker are strong via functional muscle and endurance, whereas a few lifter counterparts are good at heavy stuff; they can't last for anything
<2022-06-01T22:25:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: I keep forgetting that some people are normies and aren't properly awake
<2022-06-01T22:47:15.000Z> hazlin: Do you have a good book or template for being strong? Or are you using a common sense sort of approach?
<2022-06-01T23:28:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Common sense, natural approach and based off of what the old school dudes would have been doing
<2022-06-01T23:29:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Admittedly if you do this it'll be mostly endurance strength and a dad bod waiting for you, but then again, you don't see actually strong people needing to lift to be strong
<2022-06-01T23:29:54.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-01T23:30:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Where is the gym for the Amish or 3rd worlders bailing hay for 8hrs a day? Lmao
<2022-06-01T23:31:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weird that they dont need weights and most workouts are a waste of time for them
<2022-06-01T23:31:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've noticed a big thing is diet though
<2022-06-02T06:19:36.000Z> hazlin: I've been looking for a pdf I had for a laugh... that is caught up in a file transfer atm
<2022-06-02T06:19:45.000Z> hazlin: but did you see this? poa.st/@bebe/posts/AK2wUhQ7TqZgRTdqvg
<2022-06-02T06:20:13.000Z> hazlin: that has to be a joke
<2022-06-02T06:20:31.000Z> hazlin: but, I feel like, with that group, it could just as easily, be completely serious 
<2022-06-02T06:22:10.000Z> hazlin: I ALREADY HAD IT ON THIS PC! I looked in so many places for this file lol
<2022-06-02T06:22:39.000Z> hazlin: I've got one friend that has seriously body built all his life https://i.poastcdn.org/ea0563f7980511002c812f676ebb7f5b7e11e16954f0fea1bdc03c6ed8d6ecba.pdf
<2022-06-02T06:22:48.000Z> hazlin: and that was his recommendation when I asked him
<2022-06-02T06:23:25.000Z> hazlin: I bet you'd never considered working out like a real black person...
<2022-06-02T12:58:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao, wtf? Because repentance isn't a thing 
<2022-06-02T12:59:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: They're serious 
<2022-06-02T13:00:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm actually a corrections officer irl and I've been considering this as it's effectively in line with my mentality and thinking of what's safe and healthiest 
<2022-06-02T13:04:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Minimal equipment is the way as it's a fairly modern inovation that only seems to cause injury. The mongols didn't lift weights, the Vikings didnt lift, the Carpathians didn't... Why should I?
<2022-06-02T19:11:46.000Z> hazlin: working out without the work seems to produce injury 
<2022-06-02T19:12:41.000Z> hazlin: also, a highly inactive life, with spikes of artificial working out, with equipment that isolates muscles seems to be a recipe for injury 
<2022-06-02T21:55:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-06-02T21:56:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Another interesting aside occured to me while sleeping: where are all the older/elderly athletes with good backs from in the hayday when deadlifts were considered king?
<2022-06-02T21:57:15.000Z> hazlin: lol! such a good point, I'd point to the cross fit organizers, they are all ex crossfit competitors, but they are shriveled up 
<2022-06-02T21:57:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: All the old wrestlers have fused vertebrae, all the old weightlifters and strongmen too
<2022-06-02T21:57:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: CrossFit literally can't and won't follow any form at all, lmao dudes are constantly injuring themselves
<2022-06-02T21:57:55.000Z> hazlin: I know someone that did marathon running in college
<2022-06-02T21:58:11.000Z> hazlin: they were in their 20s but all their joints were worn out
<2022-06-02T21:59:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Probably from running on concrete 😂
<2022-06-02T21:59:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Running if great, just don't run on concrete lmao
<2022-06-02T22:01:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's also pretty interesting that all the people telling me that the risk isn't a big deal are all likely in jobs where being able bodied or needing to get into a fist fight at a moments notice isn't a requirement
<2022-06-02T22:02:17.000Z> hazlin: maybe? Not sure, the only two people I knew that ran, just dropped dead from heart attacks, one had some underlying conditions, but the other was pretty healthy
<2022-06-02T22:02:34.000Z> hazlin: yeah true lol
<2022-06-02T22:03:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's usually from over running and concrete running, you should never run more than two miles in a day and your joints absorb the impact of every step; so softening that is imperative. That and a diet that promotes healthy joints
<2022-06-02T22:04:53.000Z> hazlin: >over runningPretty sure that is what happened to both of them
<2022-06-02T22:05:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Diet is like 90% of fitness and general health
<2022-06-02T22:05:15.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-02T22:05:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: If they were training marathons it probably was, people tend to overdo it
<2022-06-02T22:06:29.000Z> hazlin: I'm a strong believer in diet. Something happened to me, a little in college and then strongly about a year before covid hit. 
<2022-06-02T22:06:54.000Z> hazlin: I'd just have these awful stomach problems 
<2022-06-02T22:07:11.000Z> hazlin: like, I'd need to lay down on the ground to keep from passing out
<2022-06-02T22:08:01.000Z> hazlin: doctors said there didn't appear to be anything structurally wrong, but offered to cut some of my guts out to see if that would help xD
<2022-06-02T22:08:11.000Z> hazlin: since I am not insane, that didn't happen
<2022-06-02T22:08:23.000Z> hazlin: but it left me dealing with the issue long term
<2022-06-02T22:08:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sounds like a guy fauna imbalance or some kind of extreme intolerance
<2022-06-02T22:08:53.000Z> hazlin: one of the biggest improvements came in eating, disintegrated, unseasoned food
<2022-06-02T22:08:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gut*
<2022-06-02T22:09:18.000Z> hazlin: Actually, and this my sound crazy
<2022-06-02T22:09:34.000Z> hazlin: but it is just an allergic reaction, took me for ever to figure that out
<2022-06-02T22:09:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Some seasoning can trigger allergic reactions, your guts may have just had enough
<2022-06-02T22:09:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-06-02T22:10:31.000Z> hazlin: so here is the kicker, it was the new "Fresh Scent" they started using in laundry detergent 
<2022-06-02T22:10:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's eeird
<2022-06-02T22:11:04.000Z> hazlin: I was just, generally sick, the guts were the worst, but I had never ending post nasal drainage 
<2022-06-02T22:11:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: But then again I can't eat anything with polysorbate in it, 
<2022-06-02T22:11:41.000Z> hazlin: the sicker I got, the cleaner I tried to make my environment, but the detergent, and soaps I was using made it worse and worse
<2022-06-02T22:12:00.000Z> hazlin: no rash though
<2022-06-02T22:12:19.000Z> hazlin: and it appears to be a cumulative effect, so it was very hard to pin down
<2022-06-02T22:12:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah, some parts of body tissues won't react for an allergy
<2022-06-02T22:13:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Which seems to be contrary to how mentally we think about allergies
<2022-06-02T22:14:09.000Z> hazlin: yeah, so generally now I am doing better, when I notice things going side ways, popping some benadryl stabilizes things immediately
<2022-06-02T22:14:29.000Z> hazlin: I wasn't even having to take that until the summer rolled around
<2022-06-02T22:15:14.000Z> hazlin: I'm not even sure if it is the pollen, I think it is my neighbor is using the floral detergent, and the dryer exhaust causes problems some times xD
<2022-06-02T22:18:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Probably that
<2022-06-02T22:18:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: My polysorbate issue is kind of similar, only causes issues internally unless it's on my skin for an extended period of time
<2022-06-02T22:19:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gums will swell up and I'll feel like I'm dying 
<2022-06-02T22:20:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: All the food processors need to do is just use real cornstarch
<2022-06-02T22:20:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: 😤
<2022-06-02T22:21:45.000Z> hazlin: before I new it was an allergies, and didn't know that anti-histamines would treat it. I'd have sinus inflammation, and a mouth full of sores, and all shorts of other shit. Apparently you can't just leave the body in a hyper reactive state or it invents new ways to express its displeasure xD The dentists were always like "not sure why people get these sores" xD
<2022-06-02T22:25:21.000Z> hazlin: a am very fortunate that my family runs a small A/C company and has need of a IT/Illustrator that can only work sometimes xD
<2022-06-02T22:28:37.000Z> hazlin: well, that is, now that I am healthy enough to actually sit at a computer
<2022-06-02T22:36:49.000Z> hazlin: To change the topic
<2022-06-02T22:37:16.000Z> hazlin: I thought GodCast or nugger would have commented on my recent Enoch posting
<2022-06-02T22:37:43.000Z> hazlin: they specifically claimed to have read the book, and said it did not have a salvation message, however that is false.
<2022-06-02T22:37:56.000Z> hazlin: which means, they lied about reading it
<2022-06-02T22:38:17.000Z> hazlin: which... seemed likely from their criticisms 
<2022-06-02T22:39:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nah, theyre just that big on their own ego
<2022-06-02T22:39:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: How did you like the angel that was a stand in for Jesus? Lmao
<2022-06-02T22:39:54.000Z> hazlin: it wasn't Jesus is in there later on
<2022-06-02T22:40:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm still working on Ethiopic Enoch or Enoch 1
<2022-06-02T22:40:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Enoch, the three well known sets are part of gnostic heretical writings that worked their way in 
<2022-06-02T22:41:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: There are lesser known Enoch texts, because Enoch was incredibly well liked by those cults
<2022-06-02T22:41:43.000Z> hazlin: I'm working with a translation of what the Ethiopics consider scripture 
<2022-06-02T22:42:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah, Enoch 1 is the most sane but it's still horrific and has bizzare no issues
<2022-06-02T22:42:42.000Z> hazlin: >Nah, theyre just that big on their own egoDo you mean to tell me, that they were just talking out there ass then? they seem so serious, that didn't occur to me as a possibility 
<2022-06-02T22:43:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's literally the same kind of issue you'll see from libshits. They can't be wrong because of their own ego and because it's a thing they like, therefore their support of it is moral and just no matter what
<2022-06-02T22:44:36.000Z> hazlin: that is kind of insane
<2022-06-02T22:44:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Then it's also about presentation. You didn't appear and smack them over the ego with a cudgel and proclaim thing they like as wrong, so you brook no criticism
<2022-06-02T22:45:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literally the behavior of people who aren't saved
<2022-06-02T22:45:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: poa.st/notice/AK3ABw549EDzlbk0gK
<2022-06-02T22:45:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Godcast LARPers will never address this problem even privately lmao
<2022-06-02T22:47:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: So superlutheran is either a heretic or a larper, as he has a responsibility to meet 
<2022-06-02T22:49:32.000Z> hazlin: Reminds me that Paul would not stay silent for even an hour if the Gospel was at stake. The language seems to imply that this meant immediately delivering an insult and a correction xD
<2022-06-02T22:52:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-06-02T22:56:36.000Z> hazlin: I engaged pretty hard with the Orthodox and RCC in Gab. What I primary discovered was that they are trapped in a Truth by Force paradigm.
<2022-06-02T22:56:55.000Z> hazlin: I couldn't lead them to truth with reason, because their beliefs aren't built on reason
<2022-06-02T22:57:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's not even built in faith though lol
<2022-06-02T22:58:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Which honestly makes them worse than pagans or the lost
<2022-06-02T23:00:08.000Z> hazlin: if it was going to be a meme it would be:Trad Teacher: the nicene creed is true, and if you ever doubt it, you'll lose your salvationNew Trad: But why is it trueTrad teacher: *pulls back his fist like he is about to strike*New Trad: Oh!, of course it is true! Just ignore that question, I don't know what i was thinking
<2022-06-02T23:00:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-06-02T23:04:05.000Z> hazlin: So, how do I help these Truth by Violence Trad tards? I feel like if I had that meme, taht would all be upvoting it and repoasting it like "yes, you must beat the truth into the new converts, that is how they become faithful"
<2022-06-02T23:04:33.000Z> hazlin: like, I hold up a mirror of the ugly truth, and they go "looking good!" and wink at themselves in the mirror
<2022-06-02T23:07:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically have to just let their lives fall apart then try
<2022-06-02T23:09:10.000Z> hazlin: I guess that is an option, strangely enough, those posts I make that are packed full of anti trad Grace, are liked and sometimes repoasted by one or two RCC/Orthodox. 
<2022-06-02T23:09:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Heretics often don't reform unless they fall down first
<2022-06-02T23:10:06.000Z> hazlin: I feel like, they must not be fully educated in their group, or they would reject what I write.
<2022-06-02T23:10:19.000Z> hazlin: Sometimes I even work luther's words in
<2022-06-02T23:10:35.000Z> hazlin: If I explained the sources they would reject it
<2022-06-02T23:10:56.000Z> hazlin: if I attacked their asinine anti-protestant posts, they would reject it
<2022-06-02T23:11:36.000Z> hazlin: but, someone, some of them appear to be eating from the lutherine table they so despise xD
<2022-06-02T23:11:54.000Z> hazlin: that someone should have been a somehow
<2022-06-02T23:12:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-06-02T23:13:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's an education thing to a degree
<2022-06-02T23:13:26.000Z> hazlin: it is
<2022-06-02T23:13:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: The rest is basically pig in mud behavior
<2022-06-02T23:14:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is mine, therefore it is best
<2022-06-02T23:14:11.000Z> hazlin: I've had the displeasure of much discourse with the highly educated RCC and orthodox, and they are so deep in the shit, it takes hours just to dig down to the truth of the position 
<2022-06-02T23:16:04.000Z> hazlin: I honestly don't want to talk to them once I realize their background. They are just going to end up attacking my ability to know truth if I disagree with them.
<2022-06-02T23:17:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Which is ironic because they can't state the truth without hours and hours of work...
<2022-06-02T23:23:53.000Z> hazlin: It is worse than that, the never will state the truth. I had to do lots of extra-conversation research, and asking of pointed questions to dig out that their position is based purely on accepting through truth or they will isolate you from their group. 
<2022-06-02T23:24:34.000Z> hazlin: the more they know, the more than can keep leading you into variations of the conversation
<2022-06-02T23:25:39.000Z> hazlin: that text got pretty garbled xD 
<2022-06-02T23:26:16.000Z> hazlin: I am trying to say, they keep moving the conversation away from the facts that support their claims
<2022-06-02T23:26:58.000Z> hazlin: the more they know, the better they can keep you away from the foundation of truth
<2022-06-02T23:28:37.000Z> hazlin: and, amazingly, by telling me that, it isn't about believing and being convinced that their claims are true, and that I just, need to accept them, because they know best. They ADMIT that they do not believe, and are unconvinced of their own position.
<2022-06-02T23:28:48.000Z> hazlin: that they are literally living a lie, and want me to join
<2022-06-02T23:30:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Have noticed a bit of that before, it is very odd
<2022-06-02T23:32:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: But that's what cults do
<2022-06-02T23:33:18.000Z> hazlin: yes the trad churches are fucking cults, and the deeper someone gets, the harder they are to help.
<2022-06-02T23:34:38.000Z> hazlin: a surface level RCC, will talk with me about scripture. But, an advanced RCC will tell me that I am literally cut off from Salvation until I renounce my personal relationship with Jesus and submit to RCC approve priests
<2022-06-03T02:21:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol, it's actually one of the reasons I wouldn't bother with pursuing the EO when I didn't know better
<2022-06-03T02:21:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: That kind of stuff is a huge warning sign
<2022-06-03T02:22:06.000Z> hazlin: EO?
<2022-06-03T02:23:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Eastern ortho
<2022-06-03T02:23:52.000Z> hazlin: ahh
<2022-06-03T02:24:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Checked in on some of their stuff and they have a similar kind of idea that you have to do everything through a priest, so I was out 
<2022-06-03T02:24:52.000Z> hazlin: unless they start talking about the pope, I usually can't tell them apart
<2022-06-03T02:26:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Similar flavor of crazy, but it's unique enough to legitimately be different. Like seventh day or the snake handlers
<2022-06-03T02:31:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: What's a good point issue for both though: they've both allowed outsiders, decidedly non-Christians, to shape and form their theology. Hell has overtaken their "church"
<2022-06-03T02:32:15.000Z> hazlin: Everything that people associate with Christians, is Roman Pagan
<2022-06-03T02:32:29.000Z> hazlin: the clothes, the buildings, the symbols
<2022-06-03T02:32:45.000Z> hazlin: truth by violence, all of it
<2022-06-03T02:33:07.000Z> hazlin: so much bad was done in the 300s, it literally caused 1000 years of darkness
<2022-06-03T02:33:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Culturally it's association with the bad, which hilariously comes from the rcc and an off the cuff proper understanding of it lmao
<2022-06-03T02:34:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Christians are pagans! Idolaters!" 
<2022-06-03T02:34:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: >rcc bowing and praying to statues in their chruches
<2022-06-03T02:34:59.000Z> hazlin: The way the nuns dress, the cross necklace, the status of the other and child
<2022-06-03T02:35:21.000Z> hazlin: it is like... it is all paganism, and it wasn't even Christianized, they just renamed paganism
<2022-06-03T02:35:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: The Marian cult stuff is literally Diana
<2022-06-03T02:36:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: The "saints" have categories because they're stand in for pagan gods 
<2022-06-03T02:37:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: The act and proliferation of all of these things lead not only to greater and greater errors but even greater heresy, Santa muerte is basically Marian insanity but with a fag, druggie and satanic paint job 
<2022-06-03T02:37:56.000Z> hazlin: I don't even know what that is, but it sounds horrific xD
<2022-06-03T02:39:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Marian cult stuff but with Mary cosplaying as death
<2022-06-03T02:42:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Muerte
<2022-06-03T02:44:54.000Z> hazlin: >Mexican Neopaganism
<2022-06-03T02:45:05.000Z> hazlin: lol well at least they've got it correctly identified
<2022-06-03T02:45:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nah, this is mainline rcc 
<2022-06-03T02:45:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: When you fail to stamp out superstitions and are the cause of even newer ones, you gotta own it
<2022-06-03T02:47:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like the weird obsession that Mexicans have with rubbing chicken eggs on bumps and bruises, literally "witchcraft"
<2022-06-03T02:48:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: You'll never find a rcc member speak against it 
<2022-06-03T02:51:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: Rcc members love to talk big about "witches" but also contradictorially love them
<2022-06-03T02:51:34.000Z> hazlin: they already have the greatest gas light of all time
<2022-06-03T02:52:05.000Z> hazlin: they make people say that the wine turns to blood and the bread to flesh in their mouths
<2022-06-03T02:52:15.000Z> hazlin: but, no one complains about the iron'y taste
<2022-06-03T02:54:37.000Z> hazlin: to say that more plainly, they make people drink wine, and confess it is literally blood, going against their 5 senses and reason
<2022-06-03T03:00:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: That isn't to say the eucharist can't miraculously turn into flesh and blood, but if it did, we have to go off what scripture and reason tell us about "why" miracles happen. Lol
<2022-06-03T03:01:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also: actual cannibalism is effectively a huge no-no
<2022-06-03T03:04:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Do you recall one of the reasons miracles happen?
<2022-06-03T03:07:02.000Z> hazlin: That feels a bit open ended. If I had to diagram a pattern for miracles it would be:Someone asks God for help, God says to a thing, they do it, and then God does something amazing
<2022-06-03T03:07:20.000Z> hazlin: God says "do a thing"
<2022-06-03T03:08:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Unbelief is a big reason lol
<2022-06-03T03:09:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: If someone has a miracle happen in a church, an honest and true one, that's a very very bad sign 
<2022-06-03T03:10:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Obviously there's an issue of context... 
<2022-06-03T03:10:38.000Z> hazlin: Ahh, I think a lot of the miracles were in response to faith
<2022-06-03T03:10:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: But let's say the eucharist has turned to true flesh and blood... Lol
<2022-06-03T03:10:59.000Z> hazlin: far fewer for unbelief, like the writing on the wall
<2022-06-03T03:11:23.000Z> hazlin: Well, that would be some plagues of Egypt shit
<2022-06-03T03:11:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gideon as portrayed by Don Knott's: "j-just three more and I'll do what you command God, h-honest!"
<2022-06-03T03:11:28.000Z> hazlin: if God turned to win to bleed
<2022-06-03T03:12:03.000Z> hazlin: let me try that message again
<2022-06-03T03:12:22.000Z> hazlin: if God turned the wine to blood, and had everyone hacking and puking
<2022-06-03T03:12:31.000Z> hazlin: that would be some plagues of egypt shit
<2022-06-03T03:12:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Maybe I'm reading too much into the context of some situations in scripture as well as what would be meant about turning the eucharist into flesh
<2022-06-03T03:12:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: Punishment for unbelief? 
<2022-06-03T03:13:02.000Z> hazlin: yeah xD
<2022-06-03T03:15:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: I can only think of a few reasons to do so, and to consume it once it's turned is forbidden so.... 
<2022-06-03T03:16:38.000Z> hazlin: if it did turn, the priests would be like "this is what I've been waiting for my whole life!" "God has blessed us with a miracle, let no one spill even a drop, for to do so is to reject the Christ!"
<2022-06-03T03:17:06.000Z> hazlin: and they force it down the mouths of the congregation 
<2022-06-03T03:18:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's almost as if God didn't want them to take communion or something...
<2022-06-03T03:18:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly, again they say one thing but do another. There are a few allegedly documented cases and as soon as it turned they refused to serve it. 
<2022-06-03T03:20:01.000Z> hazlin: You know, it says to partake of communion without understanding is to and and drink temporary damnation 
<2022-06-03T03:20:27.000Z> hazlin: that should have been "eat and drink"
<2022-06-03T03:20:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: That too
<2022-06-03T03:21:42.000Z> hazlin: is this like, when Elijah prayed for the rain to stop, so that God's promise would be fulfilled? 
<2022-06-03T03:23:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Could be. Personally I think it's meant to convict them by suddenly dumping his presence into the moment while simultaneously denying them communion. 
<2022-06-03T03:24:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: You claim I'm here and act like this with unbelief, so now I am here and you're forbidden in taking our rites because of your unbelief 
<2022-06-03T03:24:55.000Z> hazlin: that is a good take as well
<2022-06-03T03:25:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's how I figured it anyways
<2022-06-03T03:41:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's one of the reasons I'm honestly waiting for the collapse lol
<2022-06-03T03:41:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: The cult groups don't function as proper communities so they'll implode and then those people will be free to be deprogrammed
<2022-06-03T03:42:03.000Z> hazlin: :O. a good point
<2022-06-03T03:43:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Should be hilarious when the random priests are demanding tithe from people who can't even feed themselves
<2022-06-03T03:43:30.000Z> hazlin: The ministers predicted that we'd have communism in the states, and it would be a trying time greater than the civil war
<2022-06-03T03:43:41.000Z> hazlin: in addition there would be a great revival
<2022-06-03T03:44:10.000Z> hazlin: here we are like, 80yrs after that, we have the shit, so I'm there the revival is imminent 
<2022-06-03T03:45:07.000Z> hazlin: now that will be some shit
<2022-06-03T03:45:19.000Z> hazlin: >Should be hilarious when the random priests are demanding tithe from people who can't even feed themselves
<2022-06-03T03:45:28.000Z> hazlin: they do that now lol
<2022-06-03T03:47:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: No, I mean more egregiously. Like no one has jobs and they're going to church so hope and community, but instead the college taught homosexualist with a robe will instead begin harassing them all for food and money because it's their "duty"
<2022-06-03T03:49:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: People are in abject poverty throughout the entire congregation, barely making it by and now properly hungry for God; and the weak "man" in a robe is making materialist demands lmaoIt will not end well at all
<2022-06-03T03:50:19.000Z> hazlin: it depends, grifters never let the responsibility fall on themselves 
<2022-06-03T03:50:54.000Z> hazlin: they will just turn it around on the congregations impiety 
<2022-06-03T03:51:28.000Z> hazlin: get out ahead of the situation and have people good an convinced it is there fault before things get  really bad
<2022-06-03T03:51:44.000Z> hazlin: You know, when I was giving the most to a church, I had a pastor deliver a message, that things weren't going right in my life because I wasn't being generous enough xD
<2022-06-03T03:52:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: That can only go on for so long and so far lol
<2022-06-03T03:53:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Here in the US we've had unprecedented wealth and prosperity until recently so it's never been an issue; in other places though those types get tarred and feathered pretty quick
<2022-06-03T03:53:28.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-06-03T03:55:03.000Z> hazlin: after much study on the topic, I don't think a minister of Grace has grounds to demand anything from people. However, if he was struggling and asks for help, it ought to be given
<2022-06-03T03:56:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup. But when you're used to being large and in charge, you usually don't bother to ask
<2022-06-03T03:58:34.000Z> hazlin: I've seen Faith tied to giving in church, I've seen Grace tied to giving, and everything in between. Honestly, it is as simple as they say "God will provide for you", but then turn around and say "provide for me, because I am not sure if God will come through"
<2022-06-03T04:30:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol https://i.poastcdn.org/34eed7714b771177ed94e3b5d3d5138cd901441bb394040786df4593083c3b5f.png
<2022-06-03T04:31:22.000Z> hazlin: I saw that, tried to fiind the tread, but didn't see it on your recent TL
<2022-06-03T04:31:27.000Z> hazlin: did you delete the post xD ?
<2022-06-03T04:31:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: poa.st/notice/AK6ENBMYeUUddjQ9b6
<2022-06-03T04:32:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Did for a spelling error, but reposted the corrected one
<2022-06-03T04:33:02.000Z> hazlin: ah
<2022-06-03T04:33:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Old school endenturing styled slavery is literally a big constant thing in the Bible
<2022-06-03T04:33:20.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-03T04:34:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is basic Bible knowledge
<2022-06-03T04:34:58.000Z> hazlin: the person you replied to is on my block list xD 
<2022-06-03T04:35:17.000Z> hazlin: a long with a bunch of other LARP Christians
<2022-06-03T04:35:23.000Z> hazlin: that just go around attacking people
<2022-06-03T04:35:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mute primarily since they tend to gloat if you block
<2022-06-03T04:36:43.000Z> hazlin: I'm fine with that, I even @'ed them all in a post telling them I was going to block them, left it up for about an hour to make sure they saw
<2022-06-03T04:39:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Meh, I don't believe in giving them the satisfaction. 
<2022-06-03T04:42:11.000Z> hazlin: you may be right, I've been trying to be more like P, in my approach 
<2022-06-03T04:42:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: P?
<2022-06-03T04:43:55.000Z> hazlin: the guy that runs the FSE node. He rarely blocks anyone. Is always pushing correct behavoir insttead of ignoring
<2022-06-03T04:45:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol, oh
<2022-06-03T04:45:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Muted him 😂
<2022-06-03T04:45:55.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-06-03T04:46:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Pretty smart dude, but clearly still a bit indoctrinated. 
<2022-06-03T04:47:27.000Z> hazlin: my guess is he isn't a Christian, but I've never seen him say anything one way or the other
<2022-06-03T04:48:41.000Z> hazlin: much to my displeasure I discovered that Judge Dread is a hardcore pro-trans-human atheist
<2022-06-03T04:49:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: He blew up about a minor pointing out about everyone's favorite stealth satanists, So I imagine he's likely taken in with those types. Once he gets burned, and he will, he'll probably change his tune
<2022-06-03T04:49:49.000Z> hazlin: stealth satanists? The Free Masons, or another group?
<2022-06-03T04:49:53.000Z> hazlin: or the RCC xD ?
<2022-06-03T04:50:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Transhumanism isn't a big deal if it was actually about improving the failures of the body and being an extension of medicine, instead it's a mockery of humanity and God
<2022-06-03T04:50:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Talmudics
<2022-06-03T04:51:47.000Z> hazlin: ahh, he really doesn't like to be engaged on that topic, says it doesn't interest him, and insists he is sick unto death of people trying to bring him to their side of the issue
<2022-06-03T04:52:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: He's likely dating a chick who claims she's Jewish or something, I'm calling it now
<2022-06-03T04:52:32.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-06-03T04:54:05.000Z> hazlin: That is a trap a lot in this community have fallen into, they've locked onto the jews, it is like the idea that many of their own race worshiping satan is too painful, so they've got to push everything on to an "other"
<2022-06-03T04:54:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: To a degree, yes. But we should openly oppose anyone who utilizes "religious" texts that say raping three year olds is okay
<2022-06-03T04:56:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: I hate all the various satanists and their incarnations, but I hold special disgust and contempt for those whove codified evil as moral simply because they wanted a material Christ and a material salvation 
<2022-06-03T04:56:25.000Z> hazlin: To oppose evil is a self evident duty. Satan worship just isn't contained to that group. But, that is how a lot on here talk.
<2022-06-03T04:57:43.000Z> hazlin: I'd be willing to bet they aren't even 25% of the overall Satanists. And I'd put their actual practitioner at less than 25% of their population 
<2022-06-03T04:58:16.000Z> hazlin: Mostly, Satanists are hyper elitist and do not like to share
<2022-06-03T04:58:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: They're only satanic in action and form, but not so much in reality. They oppose Christ and invert, so they are "satanic". 
<2022-06-03T04:59:00.000Z> hazlin: honestly, the core group of Satanists at a, making the world a worse place is probably less than 10k total
<2022-06-03T04:59:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Actual satanists, imo, depending on what they've done should be executed (henious crimes) or sent to work prisons and made to be useful 
<2022-06-03T04:59:42.000Z> hazlin: Then maybe 100k to 1 million that do their biding in hopes of joining fully
<2022-06-03T05:01:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Joining what? 
<2022-06-03T05:02:47.000Z> hazlin: >Joining what?That is the heart of the matter, I'm not sure if it has a proper name, but it is the religion within the Free Masons, that they are all trying to join and don't realize. It is also within the temple of satan. 
<2022-06-03T05:03:07.000Z> hazlin: the people that have oaths to satan, and are given power in exchange for their service
<2022-06-03T05:05:12.000Z> hazlin: actually 1 million is probably a really low ball, the Free Masons alone have a temple in every city in the US
<2022-06-03T05:05:51.000Z> hazlin: but that thing is a layer cake of increasing deception of its own members, so they aren't as useful as they otherwise could be
<2022-06-03T05:08:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly, most of these groups only tend to work together because of a shared hatred of Christianity not so much because of anything outside of that. House divided and all that. Lol
<2022-06-03T05:09:11.000Z> hazlin: Yes, I think that is what we have been seeing recently. A power struggle among the satanists to see who will be a the head of the NWO
<2022-06-03T05:09:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Overall I think it's mostly that they all pursue their own flavor and simultaneously that it makes things seem monolithic
<2022-06-03T05:09:31.000Z> hazlin: Currently, China appears to be winning the bid
<2022-06-03T05:09:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Until recently, they all ignored each other. Now they each want to be in charge
<2022-06-03T05:10:08.000Z> hazlin: well, they all do thing for satan, so they are unified by the general instructions
<2022-06-03T05:10:19.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2022-06-03T05:10:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: China will Christianize very soon lol
<2022-06-03T05:10:54.000Z> hazlin: that would surprise me
<2022-06-03T05:11:09.000Z> hazlin: then again, I've picked a date-time for the rapture 
<2022-06-03T05:11:23.000Z> hazlin: so it isn't more of an outlandish claim than that xD
<2022-06-03T05:12:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nah, they will. They've dicked with the Bible and are desperate to repress it for no reason other than that it exists. 
<2022-06-03T05:14:01.000Z> hazlin: I'd seen that as a "sign of total control", but you are right, it would make since that it was action taken because they felt threatened 
<2022-06-03T05:15:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Christianity functional destroys evil institutions, this is likely why
<2022-06-03T05:15:26.000Z> hazlin: an excellent point
<2022-06-03T05:16:25.000Z> hazlin: you know, with all that is going on I check in on the Protestant TV ministers every once in a while
<2022-06-03T05:16:34.000Z> hazlin: but they seem to be acting like nothing is wrong
<2022-06-03T05:17:37.000Z> hazlin: At the same time, the ones online, seem to be doomers, they recognize something is wrong, but act like we need to grin and bear it
<2022-06-03T05:18:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: We need to react by becoming vocally extreme and begin rejecting all of this, all the current modern world
<2022-06-03T05:18:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: Bearing it won't fix it, it'll just prolong the madness
<2022-06-03T05:19:08.000Z> hazlin: I think I half started posting on Gab, and later Poast, was because I didn't see anyone pointing to Jesus as the solution here
<2022-06-03T05:19:32.000Z> hazlin: and if they were, it was some Graceless hard crap
<2022-06-03T05:20:53.000Z> hazlin: the Trad's are good at pointing at all the crap, but their solution is usually changing the laws
<2022-06-03T05:21:11.000Z> hazlin: or forming a militia 
<2022-06-03T05:21:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Start with rejecting false authority and false solutions, embrace Christ and build a community
<2022-06-03T05:21:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is the answer
<2022-06-03T05:23:04.000Z> hazlin: yes, I generally agree, a militia with just laws, would be good. However, what people don't talk about, is their movement doesn't have any leaders, because if you organize a Freedom Convey, or a Jan6 Rally, you get locked up 
<2022-06-03T05:23:40.000Z> hazlin: it is like, no one is acknowledging that, and everyone is just pushing on everyone else to step up and be the next arrested leader
<2022-06-03T05:24:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Can't get arrested however, if you're a member of a community and said community happily tells the cop who lives among them to kick rocks 
<2022-06-03T05:25:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: In the past we had issues with the same bullshit, but it always stopped at the community level because people actually knew their neighbors and could take care of problems properly
<2022-06-03T05:27:28.000Z> hazlin: so, I am talking about issues of the federal government against individuals and communities, and you are talking about communities handling problems within the community 
<2022-06-03T05:27:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: You don't need a militia when local cop knows that if he does something questionable he'll effectively be cut out of the community and denied services everywhere
<2022-06-03T05:27:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Most of these things start at the small level and then move up
<2022-06-03T05:30:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Feds: "you must enforce fag shit" 
<2022-06-03T05:31:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Local cops: "we can't,"
<2022-06-03T05:33:02.000Z> hazlin: so, essentially, once you've gained an extra-governmental unity at the local level, you tell the cops to go pound sand
<2022-06-03T05:33:56.000Z> hazlin: you make your own schools, and medical facilities, and tell the fed to go pound sand with their fed money they will withhold
<2022-06-03T05:34:51.000Z> hazlin: you change the local culture, ethics, and government dependence, without a central organization with leaders that can be arrested 
<2022-06-03T05:35:37.000Z> hazlin: The people improve themselves and their community, and override the people with the guns and money
<2022-06-03T05:36:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Bingo
<2022-06-03T05:36:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just like the Amish do
<2022-06-03T05:37:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: "public schools will teach fag acceptance an-" "yeah nah, this is now a private homeschool facility."
<2022-06-03T05:37:11.000Z> hazlin: the amish is a generational thing isn't it? I'd wager they aren't transforming the neighboring communities 
<2022-06-03T05:38:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: The state is an extension of the people, if a decent number of people say no, the state more or less has to comply; especially since half the extrajudicial things they tend to use as a means of abusing citizens is only as a result of social apathy....
<2022-06-03T05:38:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: If people care, the problems stop
<2022-06-03T05:39:21.000Z> hazlin: What you are describing is a decentralized viral spread of culture replacement 
<2022-06-03T05:39:29.000Z> hazlin: I don't think that is a real thing
<2022-06-03T05:40:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: My extremist overthrow plan is basically: check out, form a proper happy Christian community, and stop putting up with the globohomo. No violence, no criminal acts. Just people wanting to be left alone and demanding it loudly. 
<2022-06-03T05:40:39.000Z> hazlin: I feel like I've heard that plan somewhere before... https://i.poastcdn.org/2a7f24fa4ed76f122eefb7720dec77c69cf1727b4286d1c14bc3e0cc16ff7d96.png
<2022-06-03T05:43:42.000Z> hazlin: So, around the turn of the century 
<2022-06-03T05:44:05.000Z> hazlin: there was a traveling minister name uhh, not sure how it is spelled, but Charlies G. Finny 
<2022-06-03T05:44:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: This isn't a commune, there isn't a single target to target. 
<2022-06-03T05:44:57.000Z> hazlin: well, since multiple families isn't a community, what is your threshold for community?
<2022-06-03T05:45:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: If extrajudicial retardation occurs and some hundred neighbors show up and begin heckling the feds for being harassing shit bags, there's little they can do or anyone in general they can target 
<2022-06-03T05:46:16.000Z> hazlin: Is it 25? is it 100? How many people will you have to convince before you can be safe?
<2022-06-03T05:47:44.000Z> hazlin: My point for Finny, was, he would ask God for revival. And, sometimes a whole city would come to the Lord. They'd close down the bars in the city and the theaters, because people stopped going.
<2022-06-03T05:48:23.000Z> hazlin: it was, a Jesus powered override of degeneracy 
<2022-06-03T05:48:33.000Z> hazlin: a reset to something good for an area
<2022-06-03T05:49:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Only a few and then just be rooted in the community. I know it sounds unbelievable, but this would be the way to do it
<2022-06-03T05:49:53.000Z> hazlin: I think the end state of what you are describing is good. I just don't think you can make the leap from a low trust degenerated culture to a high trust one, without some radical help from Jesus.
<2022-06-03T05:52:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, that's the community part lol. Church family, but not just at church like some do
<2022-06-03T05:52:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Properly body of believers and a proper community
<2022-06-03T05:53:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sure, having potlocks every Wednesday might get old fast; but it's important
<2022-06-03T05:58:33.000Z> hazlin: yes, what we need is for the Churches to be more than a once a week pep talk that caters to young families. 
<2022-06-03T05:59:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes
<2022-06-03T05:59:54.000Z> hazlin: I guess I am saying, me, and you, both need the same, independent miracle, of revival in our areas, and I am also saying that, Jesus will give us that, if we ask for it
<2022-06-03T06:04:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Depends on what you mean by revival, but basically yes
<2022-06-03T06:04:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Would be great
<2022-06-03T06:06:32.000Z> hazlin: Like when the 3000 had their hearts move by the spirit of God on the day of Pentecost and they were born again, their hearts made new, and they were given an intuitive ability to trust and believe in Jesus\
<2022-06-03T06:09:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm just hoping to get people interested to coming to a potluck and then being willing to stick around for services on a consistent basis lmao
<2022-06-03T06:09:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Best to start our small imo
<2022-06-03T06:10:53.000Z> hazlin: start where you are comfortable is still starting :D
<2022-06-03T06:11:46.000Z> hazlin: Martin Luther didn't mean to start the reformation, he had asked some people to read what he wrote and provide feedback, and they made copies and started distributing it lol
<2022-06-03T06:12:07.000Z> hazlin: reading his early letters he seems the reluctant reformer xD
<2022-06-03T06:13:19.000Z> hazlin: But, God was the power behind the reformation and luther's growth into the out spoken radical leader I've come to love
<2022-06-03T06:16:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: He was pretty based 
<2022-06-03T19:34:55.000Z> hazlin: poa.st/@Berglander@nicecrew.digital/posts/AK7ZYc73pRUHz6QMtc
<2022-06-03T21:16:03.000Z> hazlin: I'd thought Jon, was going to turn out to be the most reasonable of that group but, nope lol poa.st/@Insomnolant@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz/posts/AK7hcUXCkJIvGx0rPk https://i.poastcdn.org/cd0645c11f29820577a0fc52827f5191dcfb67d831d1186d86bc5b7d221bc1d6.png
<2022-06-03T21:17:08.000Z> hazlin: I think that is as close to acknowledging they are pagan's who believe in Jesus as it gets.
<2022-06-03T21:19:30.000Z> hazlin: Or perhaps that is just the fullest form of bestowing truth upon traditions.
<2022-06-03T21:51:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is what happens when you csnt find a middle ground between demons and they didn't exist at all
<2022-06-03T22:39:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: >nice crew psychotics are all about liquifying their spines
<2022-06-03T22:39:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-03T22:39:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's very telling that people can't entertain the idea that everything they know or enjoy might be wrong
<2022-06-03T23:39:13.000Z> hazlin: >liquifying their spinesLOL!
<2022-06-04T00:13:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well I mean, you basically just turn the back into jelly through the damage it incurs
<2022-06-04T00:15:11.000Z> hazlin: that is a more reasonable interpretation for words, but I do find the imagery of the weights smashing their backs into jelly funny xD
<2022-06-04T00:16:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: I just can't get the image of wormchad out of my mind lol
<2022-06-04T05:09:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Xian is what I'm going to use to differentiate between actually Christians and the larpers
<2022-06-04T05:10:15.000Z> hazlin: ahh
<2022-06-04T05:10:41.000Z> hazlin: Thought we might have some Easter Cultivators or something
<2022-06-04T05:10:48.000Z> hazlin: Eastern*
<2022-06-04T05:11:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Using "Christian" for them will get confusing and they shouldn't be conflated with the truth, so they need a special name
<2022-06-04T05:11:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-04T05:11:30.000Z> hazlin: I agree
<2022-06-04T05:11:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Should be pronounced more like "ex-ian" rather than asiatic "Xian" lmao my bad
<2022-06-04T05:12:31.000Z> hazlin: honestly, I've been going out of my way not to use liturgical words in my dialog, demonic people have already bent the meaning of the words, often to mean the exact opposite 
<2022-06-04T05:13:36.000Z> hazlin: ex-ian, got yea, yeah when you said it for the LARP Christians, I started seeing it like xmax for Christmas 
<2022-06-04T05:13:41.000Z> hazlin: xmas*
<2022-06-04T05:13:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ditto, usually one of the reasons I tend to argue based on basic reason first before theology, helps root out crazies and helps determine if the person can see reason
<2022-06-04T05:14:08.000Z> hazlin: yes
<2022-06-04T05:15:41.000Z> hazlin: I often expand Grace into a description of Grace, since I think the Trad explicitly have distribution of Grace walled behind authorized personnel  
<2022-06-04T05:16:45.000Z> hazlin: and many protestants have it walled behind Tithing or Forgiveness 
<2022-06-04T05:17:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or financial success
<2022-06-04T05:17:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Prosperity and success are big issues inside mainline protestant interpretations 
<2022-06-04T05:17:56.000Z> hazlin: ?
<2022-06-04T05:18:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: You haven't noticed that? 
<2022-06-04T05:18:22.000Z> hazlin: I'm not sure, which piece of the statement you intend for that to go into xD
<2022-06-04T05:18:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's more prevalent with the older gens overall
<2022-06-04T05:19:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Grace. Most protestants also wall it behind being successful. If you aren't well off, you haven't been granted grace or salvation. Prosperity gospel basically
<2022-06-04T05:23:11.000Z> hazlin: Ahh, well prosperity would be covered under Grace. That is, prosperity could come from grace, but prosperity wouldn't cause grace. But, what I have heard is prosperity is a sign of God's approval. But, that is a load of crap xD
<2022-06-04T05:24:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Prosperity described is quite different from that "prosperity" imo
<2022-06-04T05:25:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Knowing you'll be taken care of is different from being able to just blow off cash imo
<2022-06-04T05:28:21.000Z> hazlin: I think it can be, what ever you ask for lol, Grace literally means unmerited favor. There are examples of many different kinds of prosperity in the Bible. The issue the Trad have, is that lock away so only the church leader can dole it out or with hold it. Same with many protestant groups, they with hold God's grace unless you pay up. But, really, it is available for anyone brave enough to rely upon it.
<2022-06-04T05:35:16.000Z> hazlin: When I say, what ever you ask for, I don't mean like, spawning an object in a video game, I mean like asking a king for something that sees you favorably. You could ask for something that pisses him off, and he kills you lol
<2022-06-04T05:37:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: I guess what I mean are the groups who specifically think that "grace --> financial success"
<2022-06-04T05:37:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like you can't be saved and be poor or lower income
<2022-06-04T05:39:08.000Z> hazlin: yeah, the prosperity = God's approval is crap
<2022-06-04T05:39:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-06-04T05:39:27.000Z> hazlin: Jesus brought a whip to deal with the wealthiest in the church
<2022-06-04T05:39:59.000Z> hazlin: ... I'm making an assumption there, but you know what I mean
<2022-06-04T05:40:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm pretty certain he did it to deal with those profaning the sacred by turning it into a tourist attractions with knick knacks and not properly caring about their personal "sacrifices"
<2022-06-04T05:40:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-04T05:40:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: I kind of do, but...
<2022-06-04T05:40:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: 😂
<2022-06-04T05:41:09.000Z> hazlin: yeah I hear you
<2022-06-04T05:41:58.000Z> hazlin: my assumption was that there were the banker types
<2022-06-04T05:42:32.000Z> hazlin: also, I don't think it was knick knacks, but animals to be used as sacrifices 
<2022-06-04T05:43:00.000Z> hazlin: as in, oh you want to sacrifice for your sin? well, you are going to have to buy hour premium goat at 10x the price
<2022-06-04T05:43:13.000Z> hazlin: our*
<2022-06-04T05:43:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup, there was that, which is emphasized but I don't doubt there being a Tiffany problem involved either
<2022-06-04T05:45:00.000Z> hazlin: do you mean, generally selling like, gift shop items, or do you have another meaning?
<2022-06-04T05:52:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like gift shop stuff yeah, though general selling was likely also happening as well
<2022-06-04T06:07:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: If they were already doing something wrong, who's to say they weren't going for broke?
<2022-06-04T06:08:53.000Z> hazlin: I suppose, though I'm not sure how offensive a gift shop in the temple would be xD
<2022-06-04T06:10:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, considering there are gift shops in the holohaux museums...
<2022-06-04T07:23:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Everyone wants stories about clone assassins, but no one's ever bothered writing a story about one that got caught and the resulting shit storm 
<2022-06-04T07:25:15.000Z> hazlin: like 7 of 9 in voyager?
<2022-06-04T07:25:32.000Z> hazlin: or uhh, w/e his name was in Free The Darkness
<2022-06-04T07:25:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Free the darkness? 
<2022-06-04T07:26:27.000Z> hazlin: a story about an assassin that, at the very last step of his training, is told, "protect your friends" instead of serve the king
<2022-06-04T07:29:18.000Z> hazlin: I guess, it depends on the context of the post capture life, you have imagined
<2022-06-04T07:36:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Im thinking full schizo sci-fi stuff here man https://i.poastcdn.org/3572f0912833c24e2928b911fa461a93dc0e6d6ce94b6158c8bd86335d2682ad.jpg
<2022-06-04T07:37:55.000Z> hazlin: oh, you mean like, a replacement?
<2022-06-04T07:49:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: More like the greater scope of the consequences of the tech as the basis of the story, the assassin basically being set dressing 
<2022-06-04T07:49:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Allegedly Zelensky is a second cousin to Soros, but honestly I think the idea of him being a clone has some grounds...
<2022-06-04T07:50:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: But like... How or why the super rich always have spare organs on hand
<2022-06-04T07:50:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or where the cultists are obtaining their sacrifices from...
<2022-06-04T07:51:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or the fact that there are on occasion genetic evidence that don't make sense...
<2022-06-06T07:08:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah, but this is a corrections facility... 
<2022-06-06T07:08:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: LMAO
<2022-06-06T07:08:53.000Z> hazlin: yeah I know xD!
<2022-06-06T07:10:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: unbelievable
<2022-06-06T07:10:34.000Z> hazlin: totally believable
<2022-06-06T07:11:01.000Z> hazlin: honestly it is shit like this, that gets people talking bad about the government personel 
<2022-06-06T07:12:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dont even understand why no one has bothered to pull these types aside and tell them to fix themselves 
<2022-06-06T07:12:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-06-06T07:12:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: idiots can't even dress themselves 
<2022-06-06T07:12:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: its sad
<2022-06-06T07:24:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: poa.st/notice/AKCccvCWUDm21XzdeiI think bebe has vaguely figured out one of the big issues with rcc insanity, but can't properly move beyond it
<2022-06-06T07:24:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: polite and soft confrontation as if you're mistaken, 
<2022-06-06T07:39:20.000Z> hazlin: hmmm
<2022-06-06T07:40:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: a good move, but still doesnt change that Joan was the equivelant of Greta
<2022-06-06T07:40:27.000Z> hazlin: I'm not sure, bebe didn't address your assertion of the character of the company kept. But, instead asserted a talking point in a Truth by Authority manner 
<2022-06-06T07:40:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: that too
<2022-06-06T07:41:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Joan was canonized,"how did the catholics she murdered feel about that I wonder?
<2022-06-06T07:42:21.000Z> hazlin: >Joan was canonizedThis is the foundation of her argument, and contains no supporting facts. I'm not sure that chasing a prostitute with a sword counts as a good deed xD
<2022-06-06T07:42:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: arent they required to perfrom a miracle? lmao
<2022-06-06T07:43:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: this is why patrick is associated with snakes, they knew they were screwed so they made something up
<2022-06-06T07:44:36.000Z> hazlin: hmm, I think you only have to be appointed to be a RCC saint. But, if the person who appoints you is declared an anti-pope, then you are unsainted.
<2022-06-06T07:45:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: they actually have weird requirements, a miracle being one of them 
<2022-06-06T07:45:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Its literally why Patrick is claimed to have driven snakes from ireland
<2022-06-06T07:45:35.000Z> hazlin: oh lol
<2022-06-06T07:45:58.000Z> hazlin: I can't use Charlemagne as an example, because his appointer turned out to be an anti-pope xD
<2022-06-06T07:52:41.000Z> hazlin: >In an apostolic letter delivered on 2 March 1922, Pope Pius XI declared Joan a secondary patron saint of France
<2022-06-06T07:52:56.000Z> hazlin: I don't see a miracle associated with her
<2022-06-06T07:53:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: thats probably what the secondary is for lmao
<2022-06-06T07:53:21.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-06-06T07:53:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: they have to create subcategories to keep people in to explain the discrepancy
<2022-06-06T07:55:22.000Z> hazlin: honestly, the issue here for me is, bebe is asserting that Joan became a pagan God after her death, by order of Pius XI, and that is such an insane statement
<2022-06-06T07:55:58.000Z> hazlin: a pagan God of France no less, what a shit position, secondary even
<2022-06-06T07:56:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: a lesser god
<2022-06-06T07:56:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: LMAO
<2022-06-07T06:21:20.000Z> hazlin: I'd been talking to @childhoodfriend for a day or to, and it really feels like someone pretending to be a schizo internet racist.
<2022-06-07T06:27:53.000Z> hazlin: claims to have setup a x220 with either windows or linux (I'm not really sure) because modern hardware is compromised, however, didn't consider that windows and the linux OS could be compromised, or the browser. Didn't know what a bios is, and quoted some games journalist as to how he managed to setup his x220 without being technical. WAHT ARE YOU SAYING!
<2022-06-07T06:32:03.000Z> hazlin: I had been thinking this was just a... well meaning strange person, but as soon as they started talking about technical stuff, they appear to just be operating from a jargon cheat sheet
<2022-06-07T07:41:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: I know some of those words lmao
<2022-06-07T07:41:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: I honestly should sit down and learn tech properly
<2022-06-07T08:00:38.000Z> hazlin: you know all of those words lol, the only thing you may not know is that x220 is a popular Lenovo thinkpad model from 17 years ago
<2022-06-07T08:01:05.000Z> hazlin: and I guess, maybe that the bios is the program that runs on the mobo before your Os startts
<2022-06-07T08:01:47.000Z> hazlin: most people have interacted with it be Spamming F11 while booting to change the device you are booting to
<2022-06-07T08:02:05.000Z> hazlin: (it isn't always F11, it depends based on the mobo)
<2022-06-07T12:47:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ah
<2022-06-15T00:26:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm immediately jumping to "student loans" because everyone's favorite larpers are on about usury right now, which likely means they're arguing being antiloan for viewers or for their own person gain 
<2022-06-15T00:29:12.000Z> hazlin: ahh, well for student loans in particular, most people paid a lot and received nothing, I received some things for my time and money, but I was still lied to as well xD
<2022-06-15T00:31:33.000Z> hazlin: if someone paid for an education that turned out to be a big lie, I am very sympathetic xD though I think the university is primarily at fault... it is also like a lender that gives a loan for property that is way over valued, they share some of the blame as well
<2022-06-15T00:31:50.000Z> hazlin: I don't really use the word usury so I don't know how that fits in xD
<2022-06-15T00:32:45.000Z> hazlin: fraud seems to be the word I am looking for
<2022-06-15T01:57:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: The solution though, at least as far as student loans goes, isn't to blow up the whole system. The cause of overly expensive higher education is because of uncle Sam offering student loans, kill that and the price will regulate to something reasonable.  
<2022-06-15T01:58:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: It was technically  fraud, because you were essentially  sold something defective despite it working as intended
<2022-06-15T01:58:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Predatory sale. Not so much usury
<2022-06-15T01:59:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: But in terms of things: the rates are more than reasonable and the loans are painfully over forgiving. Some people have faced no consequence for not paying for over a decade... so again, can't be usury
<2022-06-15T02:00:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Then there's the issue of what the loan system would be replaced with lmao, which if WAAAAAAY easier to turn into an abusive system 
<2022-06-15T02:00:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Rent to own for a house? You're getting evicted before it's paid off. 
<2022-06-15T02:27:48.000Z> hazlin: I... in general, everything is so bad at the moment. I'm not really thinking about student loans, or any loans. The "whole system" seems to be consuming all the wealth, like a dragon. It is like a noose tightening around the next of the people. And, not just in the US. 
<2022-06-15T02:28:21.000Z> hazlin: My guess is, things will drag on like this for 38 months, and then there will be a world war, or a rapture xD
<2022-06-15T02:30:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm thinking we'll have an economic collapse, globohomo will beg for a world war but get multiple small stage civils  in various western nations. I'd be very shocked if the US doesn't go Natsoc within the next decade or less. 
<2022-06-15T02:30:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: I wish for the end too, but I personally don't think things as so far gone yet to herald the actual end 
<2022-06-15T02:33:49.000Z> hazlin: if any place is allowed to become natsoc, that will be quite amazing in and of itself. 100 years ago the whole world stomped those out
<2022-06-15T02:34:59.000Z> hazlin: that is to say, it feels like the whole world would turn on anyplace that tried to be natsoc & Christian
<2022-06-15T02:36:06.000Z> hazlin: Though what struck me about the last wave of natsoc nations, is their soldiers would say things like "I am ready to die for [leader's name]" and not "I'm ready to die for Jesus"
<2022-06-15T02:36:34.000Z> hazlin: Many seem to want to put the Christian lens on it, but it doesn't quite fit
<2022-06-15T02:36:56.000Z> hazlin: more of a "die for good ethics" kind of movement 
<2022-06-15T02:37:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think this is just another bizarre period of time for humanity to suffer beneath our continued idolatry and self inflicted evil 
<2022-06-15T02:43:07.000Z> hazlin: Could be, but the 6th day, the day of man, is drawing to an end. At the very least I expect things to improve greatly in the 6000th year, or 7th day. A day of rest. God seems to really like His patterns and numbers for things, so He will do something thematically appropriate xD
<2022-06-15T05:01:28.000Z> hazlin: I wasn't expecting this xD https://i.poastcdn.org/94dae43b95721f71c509497b83f5e1914096ffb7ac7b4a2bad784358543cb7c1.png
<2022-06-15T05:02:03.000Z> hazlin: though, he follows a lot of people, so maybe it was just my time xD
<2022-06-15T09:28:40.000Z> hazlin: btw, that guy I mentioned, his accounts look like this now xD poa.st/@childhoodfriend
<2022-06-15T09:28:49.000Z> hazlin: blank, I assume deleted
<2022-06-15T10:49:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's because a lot of those places had a high population of rcc, and after shooting so many of those types you start to question the wrong things
<2022-06-15T10:50:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weird 
<2022-06-15T10:53:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Case and point https://i.poastcdn.org/7f8ceea2f143751dcd0d9cc9781437f33db97f6d8a0ff47c243008fd68c08ffb.jpg
<2022-06-15T11:22:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: They only seem to be able to take a stand when it's time to defend the indefensible and the inhuman, otherwise they're happy to just sit idly by helping evil
<2022-06-15T14:46:43.000Z> hazlin: I think it is as simple as, they rule by politics, their truth is enforced by political power
<2022-06-15T14:47:37.000Z> hazlin: when things line up so that they can use the government to enforce their will upon you, they do so
<2022-06-21T08:47:18.000Z> hazlin: Say, you ever get lineageOS working on your phone?
<2022-06-21T08:48:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gonna be doing it sometime tomorrow or the next day
<2022-06-21T08:49:35.000Z> hazlin: cool let me know if you succeed xD I'll give a try
<2022-06-21T08:50:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-21T08:50:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literally had to find some random guy on YouTube explaining it because their guide was no good
<2022-06-21T08:51:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hopefully I don't brick, but I've got a spare phone to use just in case
<2022-06-21T08:51:22.000Z> hazlin: same
<2022-06-21T08:55:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll keep you posted, mostly concerned about trying to ensure that some Google apps still work as I need my bank app and pokemon home lmao
<2022-06-21T08:56:06.000Z> hazlin: LOL
<2022-06-21T08:57:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also got my series X Xbox running with my crap internet, it's honestly pretty astonishing 
<2022-06-21T08:57:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Probably pretty close to what PC players got going on
<2022-06-21T08:58:32.000Z> hazlin: well at least the consoles just work
<2022-06-21T08:59:04.000Z> hazlin: I'm pretty sure you can build a pc that would outperform it for less, but that is a lot more doing
<2022-06-21T08:59:38.000Z> hazlin: after my original xbox died, i swore off of them xD
<2022-06-21T09:00:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm just lazy, my PC is decent and probably could optimize really well for stuff but having to troll through tons of settings isn't my thing 
<2022-06-21T09:00:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like OG or 360?
<2022-06-21T09:00:28.000Z> hazlin: if I never see a "this isn't a genuine xbox disk" message, it will be too soon xD
<2022-06-21T09:00:42.000Z> hazlin: OG
<2022-06-21T09:02:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weird, those practically never break except for the disk drive rubber band...
<2022-06-21T09:03:25.000Z> hazlin: it tortured me for a long time, then died xD
<2022-06-21T09:03:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: Laser may have failed... 
<2022-06-21T09:04:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Reminds me, I need to change out the drive in my OG xbone
<2022-06-21T09:04:05.000Z> hazlin: i think the psu was what finally killed it
<2022-06-21T09:04:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Psu?
<2022-06-21T09:04:30.000Z> hazlin: wouldn't power on at the end
<2022-06-21T09:04:35.000Z> hazlin: power supply unit
<2022-06-21T09:05:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ohhh
<2022-06-21T09:05:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah
<2022-06-21T09:05:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Those had issues
<2022-06-21T09:05:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Psu?
<2022-06-21T09:06:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: It not being able to read the disc definitely means it had issues with the laser though
<2022-06-21T09:06:23.000Z> hazlin: for sure
<2022-06-21T09:06:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: The thing thats really blowing my mind though is the load times and the games that are optimized
<2022-06-21T09:07:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've never seen skyrim look the way it does, and have never seen New Vegas load so quickly
<2022-06-21T09:07:58.000Z> hazlin: I'm tempted to say you've never played it on an SSD then xD
<2022-06-21T09:08:22.000Z> hazlin: like a real one, not that microSD crap in the switch
<2022-06-21T09:12:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: To which? The other xbone I was running it on was ssd,  but not the newest build with the better hardware... 
<2022-06-21T09:12:27.000Z> hazlin: the load times
<2022-06-21T09:12:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ah
<2022-06-21T09:12:50.000Z> hazlin: going to skyrim on an HDD to SSD was a big change for me
<2022-06-21T09:13:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's more due to the better processor or something, new Vegas is like zero load times and it's insane
<2022-06-21T09:13:35.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2022-06-21T09:14:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Skyrim is weird though, draw distance is way way out there to the point it's kind of weird
<2022-06-21T09:15:48.000Z> hazlin: well, it is quite old at this point xD the X Xbox is probably like a super high end computer when skyrim released xD
<2022-06-21T09:17:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well yeah, but this is the rehashed skyrim for this console in specific. But for there to be such huge changes during the same essentail generation of a console is absurd to me.
<2022-06-21T09:17:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: As like a comparison 
<2022-06-21T09:18:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Imagine the snes and n64 were the same generation of console, it's that big of a jump imo
<2022-06-21T09:18:50.000Z> hazlin: nice xD
<2022-06-21T09:19:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Need to check the other optimized games, NMS though is even more absurd than before
<2022-06-21T09:19:51.000Z> hazlin: NMS?
<2022-06-21T09:19:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: No man's sky
<2022-06-21T09:20:02.000Z> hazlin: ah
<2022-06-21T09:20:24.000Z> hazlin: They've been adding to that for a long time now
<2022-06-21T09:20:32.000Z> hazlin: probably a lot of content to enjoy these days
<2022-06-21T09:21:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: There are reflections on metal bulkheads now, particle effects, draw distance is insane, and load times are like 1/10th what they were
<2022-06-21T09:21:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's huge now
<2022-06-21T09:21:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically the game that they originally promised and more, and they're still adding
<2022-06-21T09:21:34.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-21T09:21:40.000Z> hazlin: they made good in the end
<2022-06-21T09:22:05.000Z> hazlin: If only Elite Danger or Starcitizen could learn from them xD
<2022-06-21T09:22:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sonys fault tbh
<2022-06-21T09:22:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sonys fault tbh
<2022-06-21T09:22:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Elites issue seems to be poor planning and that it's for a totally different group, more of an old school gamer idea
<2022-06-21T09:24:40.000Z> hazlin: so far, space sim I've gotten most into was Avorion
<2022-06-21T09:25:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Star citizen though is some kind of drug scam, 10 years in alpha? 
<2022-06-21T09:25:19.000Z> hazlin: ^ yeah
<2022-06-21T09:25:23.000Z> hazlin: a scam for sure
<2022-06-21T09:25:41.000Z> hazlin: enteral scope creep
<2022-06-21T09:26:54.000Z> hazlin: I've played a tiny bit of ED, but they person I played with was a real problem lol, and I played NMS near the launch, it was still pretty empty at the time, not much to do then
<2022-06-21T09:27:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nms is a completely different game now,definitely worth it
<2022-06-21T09:28:08.000Z> hazlin: Avorion really scratched the space itch for me, and subnautica scratched the exploring alien environments itch xD
<2022-06-21T09:30:42.000Z> hazlin: even thought subnatica subzero was great, though I changed some tech unlocks to happen before the end game
<2022-06-21T09:31:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah, some of those games do have pacing issues imo
<2022-06-21T09:47:58.000Z> hazlin: in both subnautica belowzero and Breath of The Wild, I reached the point where I just wanted it to end and started pursuing the end xD
<2022-06-21T09:48:23.000Z> hazlin: I ended up clearly BOTW with zero sacred beasts reclaimed xD
<2022-06-21T09:48:33.000Z> hazlin: clearing*
<2022-06-21T09:51:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's nuts man
<2022-06-21T09:51:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Without the power ups from those it'd probably be pretty tough
<2022-06-21T17:43:11.000Z> hazlin: it was, and I didn't have a good shield, so it turned out to be nuts xD But, I was eventually able to beat it after a bunch of tries xD
<2022-06-21T18:02:32.000Z> hazlin: I think they did a decent job defending against Amerika in this thread poa.st/@SuperLutheran/posts/AKicusUmCE2SSxyjOi
<2022-06-22T00:30:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ehh...
<2022-06-22T00:34:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not really, just a ton of back and forth and lots of semicope arguments
<2022-06-22T00:34:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: "God's going to do it eventually,"
<2022-06-22T00:34:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: God's already explicitly said when 
<2022-06-22T00:36:43.000Z> hazlin: that is true, I was specifically talking about when superlutherine isolated amerika's thought God tests as "fix it instantly, how I think you should fix it, or your not god"
<2022-06-22T00:37:21.000Z> hazlin: It is a empty argument based on an arbitrary test
<2022-06-22T00:37:53.000Z> hazlin: but, yeah, there was a lot of crap in that thread, most had the flavor of "you can't understand God, He is unknowable"
<2022-06-22T00:38:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, because super is a brainlet
<2022-06-22T00:38:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-06-22T00:39:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: The reason God hasn't fixed evil yet is because that's not how free will works. That's why it'll happen when the world ends.
<2022-06-22T00:42:30.000Z> hazlin: true, I think that is an excellent answer
<2022-06-22T00:46:09.000Z> hazlin: oof, that thread has grown a lot since I last saw it xD
<2022-06-22T01:05:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: personally Id argue it's being saved for then because things will be so terrible and undeniably bad that the idea of doing anything contrary to God's will will be completely impossible to imagine
<2022-06-22T01:07:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: after the trauma of being ruled over by evil incarnate, afterwards you'd likely be incapable of considering doing anything contrary to God
<2022-06-22T01:07:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: just my opinion 
<2022-06-22T01:08:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: But I think thats why God's saving it for the end, it solves the issue of free will without destroying it
<2022-06-22T01:17:49.000Z> hazlin: that is an interesting take
<2022-06-22T01:19:33.000Z> hazlin: though, the great rebellion against God at the end of the thousand years of peace, seems a counter point
<2022-06-22T01:21:07.000Z> hazlin: My answer to amerika's question would be God lets things play out within boundaries. 
<2022-06-22T02:01:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: No i mean at the very very end
<2022-06-22T02:01:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: new earth, new bodies, new everything in perfection
<2022-06-22T02:01:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: we'd still have free will after that, but oddly theres no evil
<2022-06-22T02:01:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: why?
<2022-06-22T02:02:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao
<2022-06-22T02:06:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but it seems readily apparent that something fundemental with humanity would need to change for that to be happen
<2022-06-22T05:09:53.000Z> hazlin: That is true, but it doesn't seem to be contained to the people
<2022-06-22T05:10:13.000Z> hazlin: that is, it also spread to some of the angels 
<2022-06-22T05:10:26.000Z> hazlin: or came from them
<2022-06-22T07:24:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Potential yeah, 
<2022-06-22T08:29:22.000Z> hazlin: As I closed my eyes to sleep something occurred to me. Since: As many that are of the works of the law, are under the curse of the Law. Then, if your Salvation depends on, taking communion, being baptized, confessing your sins the an authorized forgiver, and having said forgiver dispense forgiveness; those are all works that are required for Salvation. It is circumcision 2.0.
<2022-06-22T08:31:28.000Z> hazlin: i think I abstractly realized it before, but what Paul was combating were traditions people kept to be righteous before God, and now I can see in a very plane way that this is the same for the Trad Churches
<2022-06-22T10:32:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Somewhat. The issue is the purpose of the works imo. They law was to show that they were not sufficient and that they needed God, just as some sacraments do too. We shouldn't forget that the law did not grant salvation, nor can any act. It is unlikely that a merciful and truthful God not only fail to provide mercy to someone who died without baptism, but also lie to a believer that they'd be saved by their faith when the other sacraments would have been impossible for them. 
<2022-06-22T10:32:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Remember the thief on the cross?
<2022-06-22T19:59:20.000Z> hazlin: >The law was to show that they were not sufficient and that they needed GodWe know that from Paul's writings, but they people thought the subset they were keeping, provided them with righteousness. Which lead them to say things like 'Thank God I keep to Law, and am not like these sinners'. 
<2022-06-22T20:00:43.000Z> hazlin: then I look in the chat around here, and I see Trad-churchers, keeping rituals, and following their own Law, and they say 'Thank God I keep to Law, and am not like these sinners, I wish God would just destroy them already'.
<2022-06-22T20:49:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-06-22T20:50:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: Had a similar thought when dealing with some once but it kind of fell away. It was over whether the sacraments were necessary for Salvation or not as a matter of whether you could or could not obtain them. According to the trads you must partake or it'll cost you your soul.
<2022-06-22T20:51:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nevermind that this makes Christ a liar and causes some off sequences in the Bible...
<2022-06-22T20:55:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's actually pretty hilarious as most of these things are retreads of other ancient issues and they just dont get it
<2022-06-22T21:28:26.000Z> hazlin: retreading indeed!
<2022-06-22T21:28:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: And it just keeps reoccurring 
<2022-06-22T21:29:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Over and over
<2022-06-27T05:45:53.000Z> hazlin: >married for over a decade >wife agreed to marry me when I was a jobless, property-less loser with no real future prospects>understand that love isn't just a feeling of general attachment or emotion
<2022-06-27T05:46:01.000Z> hazlin: that is really sweet!
<2022-06-27T06:43:00.000Z> hazlin: lmao, your really roasted some ass tonight xD
<2022-06-27T06:44:45.000Z> hazlin: "You annoy me" is like a reverse catch phrase xD where other people say it to you all the time
<2022-06-27T06:44:47.000Z> hazlin: but you are right
<2022-06-27T06:45:12.000Z> hazlin: well, accept for those times, you decide to just argue against something, for no reason xD
<2022-06-27T06:45:22.000Z> hazlin: but tonight I see you being right, like you usually are
<2022-06-27T06:46:08.000Z> hazlin: I always enjoy when you spread the unpopular truth, that usually contains hope, a hope people don't dare believe in
<2022-06-27T08:32:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: the biggest issue imo is that almost no body knows what "love" is, 
<2022-06-27T08:32:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: its kind of infuriating honestly
<2022-06-27T08:32:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: it's not even that complicated
<2022-06-27T08:33:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: "You're annoying!"/"You're wrong!" - These are the siren calls of the npc
<2022-06-27T08:33:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: LMAO
<2022-06-27T08:39:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: honestly typically im pretty blackpilled overall and have incredibly reactionary veiws on sex-politics, but I fully know without a doubt that I was incredibly lucky in finding my wife
<2022-06-27T08:47:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: there are good women out there, and they arent that hard to find, but a bunch of guys will have to begin thinking in terms of proper emotion and eugenics rather than with their dicks if they ever want to even be able to access such women lmao
<2022-06-27T08:48:22.000Z> hazlin: LOL
<2022-06-27T08:49:09.000Z> hazlin: well, you know, most people seem to think God is terrible, that other people are terrible, so it is reasonable for them to think women are terrible 
<2022-06-27T08:49:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: if your choice was a rather plain girl whose nuts about you or a girl with a pretty face and huge boobs who cares more about her instagram than about wether youre alive or dead... which would you choose?
<2022-06-27T08:50:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: the average woman is honestly terrible lol, the problem is society at large and the fact that most men doen't understand how to handle them properly
<2022-06-27T08:51:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: part of the issue is dudes pricing themselves out a market they arent willing to sell themselves in...
<2022-06-27T08:52:02.000Z> hazlin: they've been conditioned that way, my sister is a really great person, but she has this irrational hatred of cooking or doing dishes xD 
<2022-06-27T08:52:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-06-27T08:52:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: which will make promoting herself for a mate that much harder
<2022-06-27T08:52:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: almost everything society promotes to women makes them undesirable
<2022-06-27T08:53:53.000Z> hazlin: maybe, my mom is the same way, they will go the extra mile for, well most people, but they have a strong emotional reaction to things in the traditional gender role
<2022-06-27T08:55:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: then theres the ones who are just plan terrible, which is societies and their families fault and is becoming far too common because the average man doesnt understand how to deal with that
<2022-06-27T08:56:03.000Z> hazlin: it is sort of funny, once I started living on my own, having a clean kitchen and meals at a regular time, just happened, it was easy lol! What I couldn't see before, was they were always hating those things, fighting themselves and others trying to do them
<2022-06-27T08:56:35.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2022-06-27T08:56:40.000Z> hazlin: it is really messed up
<2022-06-27T08:57:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-06-27T08:57:19.000Z> hazlin: I think my sister can see how, she has been played by society, and has ended up taking care of my mom a lot
<2022-06-27T08:57:26.000Z> hazlin: who still seems a bit trapped
<2022-06-27T08:58:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: seems to be the case for a ton of people
<2022-06-27T08:59:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: but for the actual terrible ones if society actually worked properly it'd be pretty self solving
<2022-06-27T08:59:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: they'd either get consumed in being terrible or reform rather quickly
<2022-06-27T09:00:21.000Z> hazlin: well, right now, most people aren't getting any negative feedback or guidance to a better way
<2022-06-27T09:00:27.000Z> hazlin: they are getting the reverse lol
<2022-06-27T09:00:33.000Z> hazlin: so no wonder they can't improve 
<2022-06-27T09:00:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's actually pretty hilarious how quickly such girls with change themselves when a handful of men bother to shun her and tell her that she's an ugly person, as opposed to more reactionary insanity like beating people lol
<2022-06-27T09:02:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: just need alittle negative feedback on a semi-consistent basis
<2022-06-27T09:02:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: I guess the love issue is pretty similar to the issues with people not reading the bible, not to mention the fact that the bible goes over what proper love is supposed to be...
<2022-06-27T09:03:38.000Z> hazlin: yeah, Jesus and the Father give excellent examples of love
<2022-06-27T09:04:06.000Z> hazlin: and well, how to have a relationship in general
<2022-06-27T09:04:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: kind of explains the mess everyones in tbh
<2022-06-27T09:07:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: oh well. I'm starting to notice a trend with a lot of the "you're wrong!" people lmao
<2022-06-27T09:15:15.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I've noticed the same with a lot of the fascist crowd. They seem to want to solve these problems with wisdom or strength, and, I've ready let go of that way of thinking xD Everyone seems to want to change society, so their personal live improves. But, they need to pick up a Bible, and read, so they can see God always starts with a person and changes everything outwards from them.
<2022-06-27T09:15:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: most of them seem to be incredibly maladapted in some way or another, mostly emtionally
<2022-06-27T09:16:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: Society should be improved, but mostly because it's quite frankly a degenerated and disgusting mess that's unfunctional
<2022-06-27T09:16:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: And while I do approve of fascism as a general answer for this, it basically needs to be pushed here in the US as more or less tyrannical constitutionalism
<2022-06-27T09:18:42.000Z> hazlin: a high integrity government didn't produce happy Americans, instead Christian's produced both a high integrity government and happy Americans.
<2022-06-27T09:21:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: Id like the idea of theocracy, but unfortunately my idea of that is a little bit nuts and completely off the rails in terms of what other Christians would accepts; not even touching on the polygyny thing lmao
<2022-06-27T09:22:20.000Z> hazlin: whether you start with control of the government or not, Christians who know Jesus, transform the mini society around them. 
<2022-06-27T09:22:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: society being overly Christian is a double edged issue too, Christianity only seems to properly flourish when either appropriately isolated from bad influences or when being oppressed...
<2022-06-27T09:22:55.000Z> hazlin: naaa
<2022-06-27T09:22:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: there is that, yeah
<2022-06-27T09:23:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: idk man....
<2022-06-27T09:23:14.000Z> hazlin: the problem is we have lots of people who claim to be Christians, but don't know Jesus
<2022-06-27T09:23:35.000Z> hazlin: they know the rules, and think all the bad stuff in their personal life is God teaching them something
<2022-06-27T09:24:19.000Z> hazlin: so, the light of God doesn't change them, or the people around them
<2022-06-27T09:25:55.000Z> hazlin: They are all sitting on the border of the promised land of a better life, and crying out "all this shit, god has put on me, because he hates me, and he is teaching me the lesson of the stone, even though I asked for a loaf of bread"
<2022-06-27T09:26:52.000Z> hazlin: then someone comes along and confirms their conclusions "that is right, the lesson of the stone is the true lesson, is was wrong to ask for a loaf of bread to begin with"
<2022-06-27T09:27:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: in regards to the "I want a good woman" types? lol
<2022-06-27T09:27:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: somewhat yeah, I can see that
<2022-06-27T09:27:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: but its even more weirdly self inflicted, 
<2022-06-27T09:29:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: its like the "incel" guys who absolutely do hate women with a burning passion. its something deeper than simply having their ideas agreed upon and them assuming the conclusion is true. It's something in their soul. Which also makes when they realize they were wrong even more hilarious...
<2022-06-27T09:31:01.000Z> hazlin: oh no doubt, I think we are both describing the sort of twisted view that Satan tries to give everyone 
<2022-06-27T09:31:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Knew a guy like that who thought sex was the most important determining factor in everything, he was absolutely consumed and obsessed with it and the fact that he was never going to have sex. Eventually it happened and his entire worldveiw changed overnight and he realized he was retarded
<2022-06-27T09:32:12.000Z> hazlin: lol! I know someone that happened to as well xD
<2022-06-27T09:32:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think its worse than that. When Satan does it, you're a victim; when you do it to yourself you aren't. 
<2022-06-27T09:32:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: "I- I thought it was more than that... is that normal?" 
<2022-06-27T09:33:10.000Z> hazlin: xD xD xD
<2022-06-27T09:33:47.000Z> hazlin: But, that is also how it is presented to young men
<2022-06-27T09:34:02.000Z> hazlin: took me a long time to escape from that view myself 
<2022-06-27T09:34:12.000Z> hazlin: not the hate part
<2022-06-27T09:34:20.000Z> hazlin: but the sex, is like a life goal or something
<2022-06-27T09:34:39.000Z> hazlin: it feels silly in retrospection, but if you are convinced otherwise, you are convinced xD
<2022-06-27T09:35:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: society does that, because society is feminized. Everything in society is geared towards handing women social control and the biggest way to do that is to be the primary providers of what is peddled as "the most important thing". 
<2022-06-27T09:35:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: partially feminisms fault, the rest being sane people for not stamping it out when it reared its sinful and deranged head
<2022-06-27T09:35:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-06-27T09:36:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: dude got depressed for awhile afterwards but eventually reformed and is doing pretty great now
<2022-06-27T09:37:24.000Z> hazlin: that is good
<2022-06-27T09:37:49.000Z> hazlin: the guy I know as well, though he is like... a decade into a relationship with a girl boss
<2022-06-27T09:38:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: hmm.... 
<2022-06-27T09:38:06.000Z> hazlin: no kids
<2022-06-27T09:38:11.000Z> hazlin: probably wont ever be any
<2022-06-27T09:38:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: i mean, if he's into femdom... lmao
<2022-06-27T09:38:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: jeez
<2022-06-27T09:38:18.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-06-27T09:38:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: as long as its a mutually determined thing, otherwise thats a bad pairing
<2022-06-27T09:39:12.000Z> hazlin: I don't think he is into femdom, but he is an atheist and doesn't have any sort of guide stones to lead him into a proper relationship, I think that he thinks he has one
<2022-06-27T09:39:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: jeez
<2022-06-27T09:40:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: he's likely to wake up one day and just have a breakdown then, sad stuff 
<2022-06-27T09:41:06.000Z> hazlin: yeah, all the homeschool kids a grew up with are married now, and all my internet friends are not married xD all but the one described don't even have a women in the life
<2022-06-27T09:42:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's partially like the theory that someone had about trannies and the internet
<2022-06-27T09:42:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: that basically the brain re-codes and the internet is real while irl is "pretend", because they only show their true-selves online...
<2022-06-27T09:43:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: as a result, it causes weird behavioral and idea concepts and then they sort of degrade and maladapt
<2022-06-27T09:44:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: this is why the kids who get tricked into being trannies are almost entirely involved in webcommunities, and likely why these guys have issues
<2022-06-27T09:47:16.000Z> hazlin: could be, I'm not too sure about most of their situations, personally so far I've only ever been around girls who were just living in a different world. Even the ones in Church. Most had become or were pursuing becoming girl bosses, and I figured out pretty early on, that wasn't for me xD 
<2022-06-27T09:49:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: its because thats what society at large told them to do and they think its a great idea, only because they don't know better
<2022-06-27T09:49:46.000Z> hazlin: oh I know that
<2022-06-27T09:49:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: my own wife is already functionally working on making sure our kids don't think that way
<2022-06-27T09:50:10.000Z> hazlin: nice :D
<2022-06-27T09:51:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: somewhat, as they get older I'll need to properly explain more in more direct terms
<2022-06-27T09:51:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao
<2022-06-27T09:52:01.000Z> hazlin: your kids are, well everyone seems to sort to rediscover their relationship with God as a you, but at least they wont be starting with lies, about who they should be, and who God is
<2022-06-27T09:52:04.000Z> hazlin: how blessed they are
<2022-06-27T09:52:32.000Z> hazlin: should have read -> as a young adult
<2022-06-27T09:53:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: "It isn't oppression for you to serve your children and husband over wasting your life away being a wage-slave for people who want to abuse you." versus her "Having kids is the most important thing a woman can do,"
<2022-06-27T09:55:05.000Z> hazlin: lol, "Loving your family, treasuring God, this is your purpose"
<2022-06-27T09:55:40.000Z> hazlin: instead of "your purpose is to earn the respect of men, by out working them"
<2022-06-27T10:01:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: both are true, but one is far more direct on rebuking the false message of society
<2022-06-27T10:01:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah
<2022-06-27T10:02:04.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-27T10:03:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: actually had a rather tense conversation about the Roe stuff because of my churches sermon, Im starting to somewhat realize that some women also don't know that theyre atypical lol
<2022-06-27T10:04:14.000Z> hazlin: that is a very vague block of text xD
<2022-06-27T10:07:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Women aren't held accountable, it's one thing to promote understanding and try to get people to reform; but the pastor needs to focus on promoting the idea that we should uniformly condemn these people constantly-" >What do you mean? Women face consequences for their actions?"No, they don't because society is broken. A woman will purposefully kill her kids and have the state apologize to her while a man who's house burns down due to a lightning strike that kills his kids will get death row. To fix things we need to begin condemning bad people, especially women."
<2022-06-27T10:08:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: the good women are "atypical" because something ive noticed is that they don't seem to know how bad most women nowadays actually are or that the world is as messed up as it is...
<2022-06-27T10:08:55.000Z> hazlin: ah!
<2022-06-27T10:08:56.000Z> hazlin: I see
<2022-06-27T10:09:27.000Z> hazlin: my sister has been really surprised by other women, she thinks that they are really different xD
<2022-06-27T10:09:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah
<2022-06-27T10:10:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm about to just force my woman to sit down and bombard her with the reality of things
<2022-06-27T10:10:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like the tinger pedophile expirement
<2022-06-27T10:11:07.000Z> hazlin: I sort of did that with the whole WW2 thing, once I got to the bottom of it, and sat with my mom and sister at different lines and went over everything with them
<2022-06-27T10:11:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: tinder*
<2022-06-27T10:11:41.000Z> hazlin: now they send me stuff like invidious.poast.org/watch?v=-_pBwpOoLo0
<2022-06-27T10:11:57.000Z> hazlin: so I think they are on board with everything
<2022-06-27T10:12:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: nice, lol
<2022-06-27T10:12:50.000Z> hazlin: neither one got vaccinated, that was a much tougher battle, because my dad was super pro-vax
<2022-06-27T10:13:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: the most i've been able to get is my wife giving me a smug/annoyed look followed with "Jews, right?"
<2022-06-27T10:13:36.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-06-27T10:14:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think the reading of the talmud helped bring about most of it though
<2022-06-27T10:14:25.000Z> hazlin: oh, you guys did a reading?! 
<2022-06-27T10:14:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Kind of, I snagged excerpts and had her look up the specific verses 
<2022-06-27T10:15:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: after the "It's cool to rape nonjew children" she kind of ragequit but doesn't fight me on it as often anymore
<2022-06-27T10:16:03.000Z> hazlin: lol!
<2022-06-27T10:16:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think its because shes starting to realize they have no real connection to Christianity and are in fact evil
<2022-06-27T10:16:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: just slow work tbh
<2022-06-27T10:16:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: which reminds me about her friend that we visited, holy shit that was bad XD
<2022-06-27T10:17:23.000Z> hazlin: I started from the other end, they both had a good grasp of history, so I took them down many of the points in "the greatest story never told", much of my argument was built around proving the nazi were good guys, and so was hitler 
<2022-06-27T10:17:40.000Z> hazlin: once we got that far, the JQ didn't matter as much
<2022-06-27T10:18:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Actually went over the proper issue of Judah versus Joseph and the consequences of that
<2022-06-27T10:23:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically a refutation of several jewish co-ops of Christianity 
<2022-06-27T10:25:14.000Z> hazlin: I've seen a Christian ministry poisoned by Jewish teaching close up
<2022-06-27T10:25:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: im atleast making huge headway on that avenue
<2022-06-27T10:25:47.000Z> hazlin: understanding their have a natural adversarial relationship is important 
<2022-06-27T10:25:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao
<2022-06-27T10:27:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: "The scofield bible is evil and corrupted our theology," "Yup, its why boomers thought the world was going to end in the 70s,"
<2022-06-27T10:29:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: our pastor is an older gentleman and constantly brings up that the world was ending in the 70s and how bad that idea was and its consequences....
<2022-06-27T10:30:29.000Z> hazlin: I've met a few Christian doomers of the years
<2022-06-27T10:30:40.000Z> hazlin: does the scofield bible say it will end in the 70s?
<2022-06-27T10:31:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: no, but it was a weird thing from boomers who thought the world was ending in the 70s-80s, so their priorities at the time was completely fucked
<2022-06-27T10:31:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: scofield though leads to all kinds of errors because that was the springboard moment 
<2022-06-27T10:32:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: this was just one of the after effects of it
<2022-06-27T10:32:39.000Z> hazlin: I've only read some of "Egar Wisnat's 88 reasons the rapture will happen in 1988", but it was a load of shit, how he even felt comfortable with such flimsy reasons, I'll never know
<2022-06-27T10:33:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: that got brought up once lmao
<2022-06-27T10:34:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it was a consequence of the "urgency" concept that they began to peddle. You should be concerned and feel that being saved is an issue of urgency, but that issue should be based on the idea that reality itself is about to end...
<2022-06-27T10:34:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: because then the issue isn't your connection to God, its just self preservation
<2022-06-27T10:34:53.000Z> hazlin: lol turn the world into the crashing plane salvation pitch
<2022-06-27T10:35:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: basically
<2022-06-27T10:35:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: while effective, it only lasts so long and will cause apostacy 
<2022-06-27T10:36:32.000Z> hazlin: When I was a kid, there was an ex-nun in the church that thought the end would come any minute, and she would tell the kids "we are going to be raptured any time, but your pets are going to be left behind to suffer the tribulation"
<2022-06-27T10:37:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: for fucks sakes.... catholics what hell....
<2022-06-27T10:38:18.000Z> hazlin: it went over as well as the old guy, who literally had the bible memorized but, while teaching a Sunday school class decided that "Children that die before they have saved go to hell" and decided that would be the hill he died on xD
<2022-06-27T10:41:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao, who picked those guys? jeez....
<2022-06-27T10:42:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: I actually have expirence with something similar to a degree but even more of a huge this is not okay kind of situation
<2022-06-27T10:42:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: A church my family went to when I was a kid was a particular flavor of Calvinist "baptists"
<2022-06-27T10:43:02.000Z> hazlin: southern reformed?
<2022-06-27T10:43:18.000Z> hazlin: err, maybe it is just called Reformed Baptist 
<2022-06-27T10:43:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: no idea, I was quite young 
<2022-06-27T10:43:28.000Z> hazlin: ah
<2022-06-27T10:43:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think they were just baptist but having been infiltrated by calvinists, this is becoming a problem in the south as of late
<2022-06-27T10:45:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: anyways... a kid who also attended died quite suddenly of, what i believe was a form of rare lung cancer that took him quietly in his sleep and it was undiagnosed. He hadn't ever gotten baptised yet at the time...
<2022-06-27T10:45:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: So guess what the calvinist pastor brought up during his funeral... 
<2022-06-27T10:47:04.000Z> hazlin: I uhh, don't know enough about the post Calvin, Calvinists to guess xD
<2022-06-27T10:49:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: calvinists are weirdly legalistic about some things, in particular baptism and such. If you aren't baptised, your gonna go to hell. 
<2022-06-27T10:49:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: this gets even worse since they believe in predestination....
<2022-06-27T10:51:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Suffice it to say that that church didn't survive the pastor openly claiming that God predestined one of the well known kids who attended to burn in hell as an example of how important baptisms are 
<2022-06-27T10:56:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: A better point would have been to point out that Christ would have begged mercy for him at judgement, not just because he was a child but because the fact that he was a Christian shouldn't even be in doubt. 
<2022-06-27T10:56:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: I still cringe remembering it
<2022-06-27T11:10:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: the next week attendance was cut in half
<2022-06-27T11:10:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: eventually afterwards we left as well
<2022-06-27T11:11:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: bad stuff
<2022-06-27T19:15:33.000Z> hazlin: my internet shut off right at the punch line xD
<2022-06-27T19:16:35.000Z> hazlin: wow that is intense
<2022-06-28T00:50:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Dang 
<2022-06-28T00:50:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-28T00:50:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah, it was pretty bad
<2022-06-28T07:49:31.000Z> hazlin: Hmm so in your conversation with Bebe, you are pointing out that, whether you know it is murder, or you don't know it is murder, does not change the fact, that it is murder
<2022-06-28T07:51:21.000Z> hazlin: but bebe says, if you don't know it is murder, if you don't mean to murder, then it isn't murder
<2022-06-28T07:52:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: No. He's arguing that the motivation behind the action is the primary cause of if it is a sin or not. 
<2022-06-28T07:53:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: If I eat human flesh unknowingly, it's still a sin
<2022-06-28T07:53:23.000Z> hazlin: ah, like a trespass, you sin, but you know not
<2022-06-28T07:53:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: If I unknowingly commit adultery, it's still adultery, regardless of my motivations 
<2022-06-28T07:53:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically
<2022-06-28T07:53:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Motivation does play a part, but the words tell us the truth in that
<2022-06-28T07:54:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Kill is not murder for the specific reason
<2022-06-28T07:55:08.000Z> hazlin: >Leviticus 5:15 "If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the Lord; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the Lord a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering."
<2022-06-28T07:56:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weird that God would still demand a sacrifice for something if it doesn't count, eh? 
<2022-06-28T07:56:15.000Z> hazlin: yeah xD
<2022-06-28T07:56:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: The main issue though I have is the "this is a sin, UNLESS I really gotta" justification 
<2022-06-28T07:57:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: So spineless.  Whatever happened to be faithful and a martyr? God demands obedience because it is what is right
<2022-06-28T07:59:35.000Z> hazlin: Hmm, I guess I am middle ground on this, sin, is not doing what God would have done in your situation. That makes bebe's focus on what is a sin or not, and under which circumstances the action is permissible, a proof that they aren't under Grace, but are righteous by his works.
<2022-06-28T08:00:51.000Z> hazlin: In his Religion model, he has to go to a priest, to have his sins covered, like the Israelite would go to a temple to make a sacrifice to cover his sins
<2022-06-28T08:01:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's kind of nuts honestly 
<2022-06-28T08:05:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: I imagine it as being something that God would not prefer or desire, something contrary to his will 
<2022-06-28T08:18:03.000Z> hazlin: I think that is a safe definition. My own interpretation is based partly on that both Justify and Righteousness are based on the same root word, dikaio, which means an out-raying of God. https://i.poastcdn.org/e17c3c78671d5cd5a94ed21430d545e7c1fcd89eea616a3e102bb7313c5d49e1.png
<2022-06-28T08:18:51.000Z> hazlin: When Paul says these words, he is comparing a man to being justified in like God is justified 
<2022-06-28T08:20:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hmm
<2022-06-28T08:21:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: To be in likeness like God
<2022-06-28T08:29:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's a reasonable idea
<2022-06-28T08:35:17.000Z> hazlin: In the OT, and even in Jesus' say, everyone was concerned with the rules and regulations, some even seemed to convinced they were righteous by keeping a subset, and Jesus' teaching scream 'you are condemned because you are not like God' and 'all these rules were to help you know you fell short and were not like God, but being deluded you believe by keeping a few you are as right as the Lord of Lords and King of Kings'
<2022-06-28T08:37:40.000Z> hazlin: they were busy comparing the heights of their bodies, one to another, to see who was taller, or most righteous, but Jesus points to the sun, and says, you must be this tall, you must be like God, your comparison is against Him
<2022-06-28T08:38:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah
<2022-06-28T08:40:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: To me it's not so much the rule itself or my motivations, but the fact that if it was improper I shouldn't have done it regardless and that I need God to help me in regards to it
<2022-06-28T08:41:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: I know for a fact I've eaten and used things that are derived if not contaminated with HEK cells, and it hurts. I need Christ for it, because I know it's evil 
<2022-06-28T08:42:22.000Z> hazlin: Oh sure, virtue is its own reward, that is how God set things up. I'm all on board with doing good, and receiving good. But, Jesus didn't die for the Godly, He died for the ungodly, to justify us, so that our sins are no longer counted against us.
<2022-06-28T08:43:18.000Z> hazlin: If you ate dead babies, you don't owe anything to, the baby, to God, to their parents, to anyone, Jesus has paid all debts
<2022-06-28T08:45:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, but I need it for my own sake. It's horrific. The same cells are used in most medications and vaccines too...
<2022-06-28T08:46:01.000Z> hazlin: If Satan is accusing you of such a sin, just rejoice that Jesus has paid that debt, and will cleanse your body. And, give you peace.
<2022-06-28T08:46:17.000Z> hazlin: I mean, you can beat yourself up about it, but I don't see the point
<2022-06-28T08:46:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: I guess: upon realizing that something was a sin that you've done, it seems proper to repent for it. Just my take
<2022-06-28T08:47:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's more like a complete disgust and deep need to clean out the pantry 
<2022-06-28T08:49:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Maybe I'm just being stupid about it
<2022-06-28T08:50:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: But overall, I personally can't approve of the idea that something is permissible whether you know or not, simply because not engaging in sin could result in death
<2022-06-28T08:51:27.000Z> hazlin: So, I don't want you to have to eat anything disgusting xD I'm not sure that they put that sort of thing on a label so you'd know. If you even knew for sure, and it was the difference between your family eating or not eating, I'd say thank God He has made all things clean to eat, and not worry about it.
<2022-06-28T08:52:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: But overall, I personally can't approve of the idea that something is permissible whether you know or not, simply because not engaging in sin could result in death0
<2022-06-28T08:53:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's usually labeled as "synthetic flavoring" or a undefined "sweetener" 
<2022-06-28T08:53:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Should be easy to avoid
<2022-06-28T08:53:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weirdly enough, if my current theory proves true then it's definitely a conspiracy 
<2022-06-28T08:56:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: I suspect that it isn't used in kosher labeled foods...
<2022-06-28T08:56:20.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2022-06-28T08:56:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: If this comes out to be true I'm going to lose it man
<2022-06-28T08:58:45.000Z> hazlin: it wouldn't even phase me lol xD
<2022-06-28T08:59:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean, I wouldn't be shocked necessarily; but the fact that such a poisoning would be so apparent and easily determined...
<2022-06-28T09:00:30.000Z> hazlin: oh, I don't really know what the standards of kosher are in the modern context 
<2022-06-28T09:00:49.000Z> hazlin: if the exclude artificial flavoring then you may be on to something
<2022-06-28T09:01:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's the same effectively, plus some general autism. 
<2022-06-28T09:01:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nah, it's added and erroneously labeled as "artificial sweetener" and a handful of other terms
<2022-06-28T09:01:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll have to dig around, but if K stuff keeps coming up clean then I'll know for sure
<2022-06-28T09:15:05.000Z> hazlin: So kosher seem to be about, is it meat, is it dairy, or is it, not meat nor dairy 
<2022-06-28T09:15:54.000Z> hazlin: USDA Organic may be a better indicator to steer away from the baby sweeteners 
<2022-06-28T09:16:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly. I do know that some of the stuff I've been eating lately isn't contaminated, but some of my other stuff is 
<2022-06-28T09:18:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Vegan, and organic are definitely not contaminated 
<2022-06-28T09:18:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or the "near" organic stuff I've been eating too
<2022-06-28T09:19:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: USDA organic is straight autism rules man...
<2022-06-28T10:23:33.000Z> hazlin: is that so?
<2022-06-28T10:23:53.000Z> hazlin: like good autism or bad autism
<2022-06-28T10:29:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Mixed bag
<2022-06-28T10:29:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: Beef I buy can't be considered organic because the rancher uses wooden fence posts 
<2022-06-28T10:30:21.000Z> hazlin: wtf?
<2022-06-28T10:31:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-28T10:31:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Guess why that might be
<2022-06-28T10:31:42.000Z> hazlin: *points out side* because of all the darkness?
<2022-06-28T10:33:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Wood is chemically treated, which can leech into the soil...
<2022-06-28T10:33:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Grass may then take on those chemicals which the cows MAY eat...
<2022-06-28T10:33:44.000Z> hazlin: that is some real autism lol!
<2022-06-28T10:33:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ergo: not organic
<2022-06-28T10:33:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's absurd
<2022-06-28T10:34:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh, processed my first chicken just recently. Think you saw that post
<2022-06-28T10:34:19.000Z> hazlin: now I know why organic almond butter is 5x more expensive than regular almond butter
<2022-06-28T10:34:30.000Z> hazlin: I did
<2022-06-28T10:34:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Rooster was reasonably tasty
<2022-06-28T10:34:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: The added eggs are also tasty
<2022-06-28T10:37:16.000Z> hazlin: eggs are great
<2022-06-28T10:37:40.000Z> hazlin: I like them, because you can't mix stuff into a whole egg before they are sold
<2022-06-28T10:38:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh yeah. I think they're rather neat, specially all the weird recipes and more I've been going over
<2022-06-28T10:39:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Fisherman eggs. Eggs and sardines with garlic
<2022-06-28T11:06:56.000Z> hazlin: sardines, interesting :O
<2022-06-28T11:07:07.000Z> hazlin: I've done salmon before
<2022-06-28T11:07:19.000Z> hazlin: what sort of sardines do you use?
<2022-06-28T11:14:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Season canned ones, gonna try out some different brands soon though
<2022-06-28T11:14:53.000Z> hazlin: I've been a little wary of any farmed fish, I'd heard that can be very toxic
<2022-06-28T11:14:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Have tried beach cliff with mustard sauce but as like a thing by themselves, super tasy
<2022-06-28T11:14:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Tasty
<2022-06-28T11:15:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: It is an issue, depends on the farm 
<2022-06-28T11:59:36.000Z> hazlin: I'm not sure if that is a real response from Armutt or if he is just playing a character
<2022-06-28T11:59:53.000Z> hazlin: I am tempted to think it is real... because I see a new person responding to you that way every day xD
<2022-06-28T11:59:59.000Z> hazlin: and if not you, then Saphire 
<2022-06-28T22:32:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's because they're usually thr types who get too into their view rather than considering that they can't know or see everything 
<2022-06-28T23:34:56.000Z> hazlin: true
<2022-06-29T01:22:31.000Z> hazlin: I saw SSF write in that mega hell thread>The Bible is very clear what doctrines are nonnegotiable as a believer
<2022-06-29T01:24:01.000Z> hazlin: And, I realized I don't believe that xD Since most nonnegotiable doctrine, is accepted as Truth by Force, and isn't build on you knowing it to be true.
<2022-06-29T02:44:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: There are things that are Non-negotiable, but thats because they themselves are self-evident and necessary for salvation. What do you need to be saved? You need Christ. pretty hardline stuff.
<2022-06-29T02:48:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: But yeah, insanity
<2022-06-29T02:48:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ssf?
<2022-06-29T05:42:20.000Z> hazlin: SuperSnakeFriend
<2022-06-29T05:43:40.000Z> hazlin: Me, you, SSF, Ghislaine, are all protestant, and mostly non standard
<2022-06-29T05:44:37.000Z> hazlin: the Godcast people are, well, they are very similar to the Orthodox, so, even though they may claim to be protestant, they seem more Trad
<2022-06-29T09:08:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: ah, SSF is calvinist lol
<2022-06-29T09:08:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: and while thats a rather error filled position, he'll eventually be forced to deal with that 
<2022-06-29T09:09:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think the godcast weirdos are larpers tbh
<2022-06-29T09:09:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: going back to the witch test thing is kind of proof of that, as they've cherrypicked a verse as a justification of it without any understanding of said verse
<2022-06-29T09:10:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: basic reformed theology says that if you're saved you'd be able to properly understand what it is that youre reading in the bible without misunderstanding it...
<2022-06-29T09:20:51.000Z> hazlin: hmm they feel opaque to me, on the very few occasions I talked to them, they kept trying to lead the conversation down paths, that had nothing to do with what we were discussing. What do they believe? I couldn't say.
<2022-06-29T09:21:20.000Z> hazlin: SSF's Reformed Baptist stance seems pretty standard, sort of fatalistic  
<2022-06-29T09:23:22.000Z> hazlin: the Reformed Baptist thing seems to be very fatalistic about anything changing in your own life, but has a strong infuses on telling other people to stop sinning... rather the whole thing seems to turn in on itself, demanding the individual to develop the will power to rule themselves
<2022-06-29T09:23:41.000Z> hazlin: which really feels like the opposite of being predestined xD
<2022-06-29T12:08:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well thats because baptists aren't calvinists. Calvinists have infiltrated them after their section failed lmao
<2022-06-29T12:09:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: So we're seeing contradictory theology payout 
<2022-06-29T12:09:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Play out 
<2022-06-30T10:20:41.000Z> hazlin: I got some anchovies, and I should have read the label before mixing them into a meal
<2022-06-30T10:20:48.000Z> hazlin: WOW were they salty 
<2022-06-30T10:52:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-06-30T10:52:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: What were they preserved in? That sometimes is a huge aspect of that
<2022-06-30T10:57:39.000Z> hazlin: olive oil
<2022-06-30T10:58:08.000Z> hazlin: but they just added a ton of salt, the sardines, have MUCH less salt, both are wild caught 
<2022-06-30T10:58:17.000Z> hazlin: so I am going to try those next
<2022-06-30T10:58:29.000Z> hazlin: maybe I can see eat the anchovies after rinsing them xD
<2022-06-30T10:58:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Weird
<2022-06-30T11:04:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: It may be because the faction ot EU guys I was learning stuff from were a bit more extreme and on the theoretical side 
<2022-06-30T11:06:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: They'd pick up random ideas or issues and try and conform all of it to EU to explain every space phenomenon they could so it'd all fit neatly together
<2022-06-30T11:09:17.000Z> hazlin: that, sounds like a good approach, I think it was that sort of thinking to brought EU to where it is today
<2022-06-30T11:10:21.000Z> hazlin: though, for my own foundation, I only use bricks I think are objectively true, even if it is just part of one theory, here and there xD
<2022-06-30T11:12:19.000Z> hazlin: I believe this is the OG book usa1lib.org/book/14463343/e782a9
<2022-06-30T11:13:23.000Z> hazlin: Also interesting is usa1lib.org/book/499441/6557fc
<2022-06-30T11:54:15.000Z> hazlin: I was going to post some amazing videos about the new super high resolution video they have of them... but it appears to have been scrubbed from youtube, all I am finding is schizo videos that are of no use xD
<2022-06-30T13:41:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Video of what?
<2022-06-30T13:43:28.000Z> hazlin: the inside of sun spots
<2022-06-30T13:43:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ah
<2022-06-30T13:44:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh yeah, they started scrubbing them before covid
<2022-06-30T13:44:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Another thing that makes me think it's likely true
<2022-06-30T13:45:02.000Z> hazlin: a scientism crackdown
<2022-06-30T13:45:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly
<2022-06-30T13:45:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or those guys were getting onto an idea theme that couldn't be allowed to go further 
<2022-06-30T13:47:21.000Z> hazlin: the footage came out of their efforts to predict CME that could destroy the NWO, they need their computers and machines after all
<2022-06-30T13:48:29.000Z> hazlin: but as a consaquence, they seem to have exposed that earth weather and temp is 100% sun controlled, and for me, I could see that the sun is super complex and they don't have a clue as to what it is, or how it works
<2022-06-30T13:49:06.000Z> hazlin: i think scientism needs a simple sun, and simple earth weather controlled by gas concentrations 
<2022-06-30T13:49:21.000Z> hazlin: so they are trying to put the gene back i the bottle
<2022-06-30T13:50:16.000Z> hazlin: same thing with the UFO stuff
<2022-06-30T13:50:51.000Z> hazlin: trump let the gene out, but I've been seeing the Gov trying to go back on that recently 
<2022-06-30T21:51:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-01T08:58:12.000Z> hazlin: you didn't fit into gab, because you are a unique person, the bots probably didn't know whether to agree with you, or to reject you
<2022-07-01T08:59:07.000Z> hazlin: *beep beep* BrotherCraig's posts... searching for response... 404 response not found, no template matches xD
<2022-07-01T09:02:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's because gab is just boomers a legitimately crazy people tbh, that and retards
<2022-07-01T09:03:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: The bots are more recent imo
<2022-07-01T09:04:41.000Z> hazlin: I can't see some of the people in the space discussion, is the summary that, they say the moon landing are fake, and using the Bible to argue that?
<2022-07-01T09:07:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: The started on the moonlanding and justified it with the earth being flat and that the Bible somehow proves thatCan't address most of the space issues involved too. Which is hilarious
<2022-07-01T09:10:58.000Z> hazlin: ooof, tbh, I'm not sure where the flat earth stuff got to much traction. It violates my person experience and does not provide a better explanation of available facts
<2022-07-01T09:11:42.000Z> hazlin: it feels sort of like a "I reject everything, you can't prove I'm even real" sort of idea
<2022-07-01T09:12:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: It started because boomer education is crap. In the past they'd have been taught "HOW" the earth is round, but everything post boomer its just fact regurgitation; so when exposed to the idea some people suddenly have an epiphany 
<2022-07-01T09:13:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Wow! This schizo idea is undeniable!" 
<2022-07-01T09:13:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: When in reality, it's just that they're stupid
<2022-07-01T09:14:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: You can literally prove the earth is round with a stick and by traveling...
<2022-07-01T09:14:03.000Z> hazlin: oh! that is an excellent point, a boomer trained to accept truth by force, that hasn't been trained to only accept something as true after building confidence in the matter, could literally believe anything, that is how they were trained
<2022-07-01T09:15:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Their education structure too. It's all fact regurgitation, they were taught to be parrots. No "thinking" involved or even actual proofing.
<2022-07-01T09:15:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Consequently this is why math and science are ignored or viewed as boring/hard 
<2022-07-01T09:16:12.000Z> hazlin: that also, explains why there are so many RCC/Trad people, that are all in, that cannot critically think about what the text means
<2022-07-01T09:16:27.000Z> hazlin: You know, friend of several decades, suddenly decide one day "I think Jesus, is the sun, he is always watching us, he is so mighty and powerful"
<2022-07-01T09:16:41.000Z> hazlin: he went all in on the idea, and wouldn't let go of it
<2022-07-01T09:17:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: *cringes*
<2022-07-01T09:17:30.000Z> hazlin: The last time I heard from him, he literally spent hours trying to convert me lmao, it was so bad!
<2022-07-01T09:17:37.000Z> hazlin: tried to do the same to my sister
<2022-07-01T09:19:00.000Z> hazlin: but, at least, now I know, why he was vulnerable to adapting a bat shit crazy idea like that, that public school training
<2022-07-01T09:19:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup. 
<2022-07-01T09:19:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's why the "what books were the nazis burning?" Question can instantly deprogram some 
<2022-07-01T09:22:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Earth is flat" nonsense likewise deprograms, but only because they suddenly realize they don't actually know HOW it's round lmao. This kind of blindspot issue is even worse in religion. 
<2022-07-01T09:22:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's actually one of the reasons why I'm starting to think preist/pastors need new requirements 
<2022-07-01T09:25:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like an IQtest 
<2022-07-01T09:29:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: The trad weirdos I think also have all kinds of trained issues... 
<2022-07-01T09:32:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Man. 
<2022-07-01T09:32:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ridiculous 
<2022-07-01T09:32:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's honestly kind of shocking that people can believe in flat earth. Gab was horrible about it too, literally came up at least once a week. That or nephilim shit. 
<2022-07-01T09:33:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's actually why I sperged out about nephilim because I've gone down an autistic rabbit hole about it before because of deranged boomers
<2022-07-01T09:40:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's my understanding that it's peddled as a marker for corrupted bibles as well as to distract people from a basic truth that said bibles obscure: that you shouldn't tolerate evil. 
<2022-07-01T09:45:20.000Z> hazlin: >because they suddenly realize they don't actually know HOW it's roundSuch a good point! that is exactly what happens
<2022-07-01T09:45:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Proper reading being that godly men mixed with the original satan worshipping women of the time...
<2022-07-01T09:45:52.000Z> hazlin: it was like, their first glimpse of an existential crisis was wasted on flat earth xD
<2022-07-01T09:46:49.000Z> hazlin: bleah, we do not agree about nephilim at ALL, I'm about 90% through enoch at this point, and I'm more convinced that ever, it is true
<2022-07-01T10:05:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao, despite the significant issues?
<2022-07-01T10:06:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: It can't be. Too many issues tbh and its inconsistent with other text
<2022-07-01T10:09:31.000Z> hazlin: well, the big ones raised were, the angel Phanuel was Jesus, and by the Trad's, that there was no salvation message. But, those just turned out to be indications that they had never read the book, and turned out objectively false. As for why you don't like it, I think you started with a list of reasons why it was false, without reading it, and being informed by the contents rather than what people had to say about it
<2022-07-01T10:10:08.000Z> hazlin: if the biggest issues turned out to be lies, it is greatly damaging to the opposition of the book
<2022-07-01T10:10:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: That and I'm willing to trust those who were informed and came before me. It was excluded from Canon for a reason. 
<2022-07-01T10:10:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Opposition?
<2022-07-01T10:12:04.000Z> hazlin: I mean general opposition. Also >That and I'm willing to trust those who were informed and came before me. It was excluded from Canon for a reason. That is essentially a Trad/RCC position for believing something
<2022-07-01T10:13:01.000Z> hazlin: It isn't like, you have to believe it, I just find your reasons, especially that last one, to be unconvincing 
<2022-07-01T10:13:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Eh...
<2022-07-01T10:13:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: I still say it's a gnostic text 
<2022-07-01T10:14:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: The "hell" issue is pretty undeniable imo
<2022-07-01T10:16:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not to mention the issue of "is this the same text?"
<2022-07-01T10:18:17.000Z> hazlin: those both have the feel of a lot of criticism I've heard directed towards the Bible. Or, how every one has Hebrews categorized by itself because the "author is unknown"
<2022-07-01T10:18:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: I need to hurry up with my video, the thing that first made me sure it was fake though is the justification and building on the myth of nephilim if I'm being entirely honest
<2022-07-01T10:18:46.000Z> hazlin: ^^^
<2022-07-01T10:18:50.000Z> hazlin: I knew that xD
<2022-07-01T10:19:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: IL think the reason Hebrews is categorized that way is because it's meant to delegitamize it as it's disproves parts of the wordplay subversion going on with copyright bibles
<2022-07-01T10:20:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nephilim literally is a subversion marker
<2022-07-01T10:20:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's like seeing "BLM" printed on something, you just immediately know its fake
<2022-07-01T10:21:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: So how do you solve the body problem?
<2022-07-01T10:21:43.000Z> hazlin: >Nephilim literally is a subversion markerI genuinely do not understand this statement. I know you've tried to explain it to me before, something about uhhh, it is used to place sin on genetics? and that is an invalid argument?
<2022-07-01T10:23:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: No. Nephilim as a word is derived from corrupted jewish texts, it's source is from the Masoretic text aka the Old Testament that had all Christ prophecies stripped from it and was also incomplete and out of order. 
<2022-07-01T10:23:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literally early Church found random cult of talmudics and then paid them for a copy of their bad Old testament
<2022-07-01T10:25:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Current copywritten bibles use it as the basis of the old testament, rather than the proper maintained LXX, which creates a lot of weird issues with our bibles. Such as Paul referencing Angels in the Old testament when none are mentioned: Masoretic stripped them because talmudics didn't like angels at the time.
<2022-07-01T10:28:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: And to head off the question: the companies "correct" the masoretic with the LXX to make it better conform, but when fully compared its still apparent that something is off as tons of stuff is still missing from the masoretic corrected version
<2022-07-01T10:32:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: However aside from that Naphilim is likely a mistranscription of Nephila, Orion, which was borrowed by the masoretics from another translation in their quest to construct their text
<2022-07-01T10:32:44.000Z> hazlin: I think this is a conflation, since the apostolic Bible even says that when the sons of God lay with the daughters of men, giants were created.
<2022-07-01T10:32:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Nephila, my bad
<2022-07-01T10:33:51.000Z> hazlin: your position seems to be built on a the idea that the Hebrew text is corrupted, but the LXX is essentially the same
<2022-07-01T10:33:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: And Noah and his descendants were physically pure
<2022-07-01T10:34:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Except it isn't and it was maintained by Christians
<2022-07-01T10:34:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: If Noah and his descendants were pure, where did the future giants come from?
<2022-07-01T10:35:32.000Z> hazlin: So, you read this and go,Sons of God -> Some guysDaughters of men -> Some girlsguys and girls mates -> this created giantsgiants -> evil, world had to be destroyed
<2022-07-01T10:37:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: No. 
<2022-07-01T10:37:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Giants evil, early Satanists evil, early godly men corrupted and now also evil -> world must be destroyed
<2022-07-01T10:38:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: So how do you solve the body issue and later giants? Im honestly curious 
<2022-07-01T10:39:01.000Z> hazlin: you mean angels having bodies?
<2022-07-01T10:39:12.000Z> hazlin: I think... they all have bodies
<2022-07-01T10:40:11.000Z> hazlin: The later giants? there are essentially 3 candidates for that corruption to survive the flood, but I will allow that, there may be factors I am unaware of
<2022-07-01T10:40:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well yes, they are allowed to have physical forms at times when God has given them tasks, but these forms are at least as best as our text implies. Possibly temporary only for the task... 
<2022-07-01T10:41:38.000Z> hazlin: those seem like some big assumptions 
<2022-07-01T10:41:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: But the issue begins with: why would God allow the rebelled to have flesh? Normally angels are of a substance similar to fire 
<2022-07-01T10:42:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Possibly, but I'm going off of what's reference consistently in text
<2022-07-01T10:42:19.000Z> hazlin: >Normally angels are of a substance similar to fire That matches almost none of the descriptions of angels in the Bible
<2022-07-01T10:43:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ps 104:4
<2022-07-01T10:44:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: The other angels being things that are entirely alien in appearance 
<2022-07-01T10:44:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Only like two instances do they appear to look like people
<2022-07-01T10:44:48.000Z> hazlin: >Ps 104:4xD what are you doing, we have so many literal descriptions and you go with that! xD
<2022-07-01T10:45:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Did anyone touch the eye with rings? The four faced one?
<2022-07-01T10:46:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: We're they flesh or a form like fire?
<2022-07-01T10:46:45.000Z> hazlin: >Show me where someone touched an angel>They didn't, this proves they are holograms >CheckmatexD
<2022-07-01T10:47:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: No, it just means they didn't have flesh in that particular instance 
<2022-07-01T10:47:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: God gives them task -> ensures they have the tools for the task 
<2022-07-01T10:47:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's my take anyways
<2022-07-01T10:48:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not to mention there are other problems with flesh bound angels and the timelines of things...
<2022-07-01T10:49:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: The first of which being: when did the rebellion take place? 
<2022-07-01T10:49:50.000Z> hazlin: I think the basis of our divergent view is, I think the spiritual is the same as the physical, same continuum, just with some barriers put in place right now, some partitioning.  You think it is completely different. Of a different sort of nature entirely. That things like angels are only holograms here
<2022-07-01T10:50:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think they are purely spiritual and not material unless given a task to do something where it is required. 
<2022-07-01T10:51:43.000Z> hazlin: So, our world view has a fundamental difference here, so we are reaching different conclusions from the same source material 
<2022-07-01T10:52:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: I could be in error, but I'm operating on what's been shown through scripture. As another point: there are no physical, of their own flesh, demons in scripture. Otherwise there'd be no need for possessions. 
<2022-07-01T10:52:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-01T10:53:44.000Z> hazlin: I'm saying, angels sometimes reveal their physical bodies to people.And your saying, angels only sometimes have a physical body, when authorized to do so, for specific missions, and that is what is sometimes revealed 
<2022-07-01T10:54:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically, yes. 
<2022-07-01T10:54:57.000Z> hazlin: Actually, do you think angels have free will?
<2022-07-01T10:55:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: In context, they have to; otherwise the rebellion cannot be. But I don't think it's the same as ours functionally. 
<2022-07-01T10:56:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: As a concept it's pretty interesting 
<2022-07-01T10:59:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: We are in the image of God, which is likely where our various innate traits drive us to pursue what we do through free will. We love to create things, we seek connection, we innately want to be good. Functionally, I think this would be the cause of the difference in our free will. They aren't made in his image, just made by his hands. 
<2022-07-01T11:01:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: So while they have specific traits, they aren't driven by a desire to be or pursue something, it just is or isn't for them. Like robots for specific tasks I guess as a good comparison. 
<2022-07-01T11:03:12.000Z> hazlin: interesting 
<2022-07-01T11:04:14.000Z> hazlin: personally, I'm not fully decided on the matter, they do seem a lot like us at times, and other times, very robotic as you've said
<2022-07-01T11:04:30.000Z> hazlin: in particular the demons, are, an enigma 
<2022-07-01T11:05:17.000Z> hazlin: The demons and fallen angels both, it is very strange to me, that they take to their corruption, to their evil with such single minded focus 
<2022-07-01T11:05:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: To a degree, with my take I'm able to apply reason to them without it devolving into rcc demonology insanity lol
<2022-07-01T11:06:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Robots whose programming was insufficient to ensure proper function. Like robots that subverted the laws of robotics 
<2022-07-01T11:08:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: If I recall the basis of the rebellion is on two points. Mankind is undeserving of God and his love, and that Satan should replace him. 
<2022-07-01T11:08:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: One of these points is true. 
<2022-07-01T11:09:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: So, due to a logic error, the other MUST be true; as far as they are concerned anyways. 
<2022-07-01T11:09:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: This would explain why there's never been a repentant demon, which is also another issue with Enoch... 
<2022-07-01T11:10:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: But then again. This is just spitballing based on what we have and know 
<2022-07-01T11:14:26.000Z> hazlin: Oh, btw, had the sardines today, they were soooo much easier to eat than the anchovies xD
<2022-07-01T11:14:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-07-01T11:15:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah, sardines are a ton better and more versatile flavor wise 
<2022-07-01T11:15:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Though anchovies are amazing with pizza
<2022-07-01T11:15:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Have a huge need for anchovie pizza
<2022-07-01T11:18:45.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2022-07-01T11:19:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: Have been meaning yo try out putanesca? I think it's cslled
<2022-07-01T11:19:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Italian anchovie pasta, very salty and fishy
<2022-07-01T11:21:39.000Z> hazlin: >putanescaSounds like a Spanish insult xD
<2022-07-01T11:22:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: "In the style of a whore" literally
<2022-07-01T11:22:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: XD
<2022-07-01T11:26:29.000Z> hazlin: xD xD xD
<2022-07-01T13:57:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: Still...
<2022-07-01T13:57:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Anchovies
<2022-07-01T14:32:08.000Z> hazlin: btw, I am also looking at these canned fish, to pair with canned food, for uhh, emergency food supply 
<2022-07-01T14:32:30.000Z> hazlin: A lot of the freeze dried stuff, is very light on the meat or protein 
<2022-07-01T14:33:00.000Z> hazlin: but these sardines will go, like 3-4 years, which is more than enough time, especially if I am eating them before the expire 
<2022-07-03T00:44:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's basically the same as forgiving and helping someone with cluster B personality disorder, you're just  opening yourself up for further abuse in the future; something the scripture is clear on. These people wanted us homeless and dead, we should never let them forget that.
<2022-07-03T00:44:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup on the canned stuff, 
<2022-07-03T00:45:53.000Z> hazlin: >It's basically the same as forgiving and helping someone with cluster B personality disorderI am for sure not for helping those that remain an adversary, they would need to apologize, make things right between you and them
<2022-07-03T00:46:28.000Z> hazlin: I just personally know quite a few, that got the jab because they were scared 
<2022-07-03T00:50:09.000Z> hazlin: but you know
<2022-07-03T00:50:15.000Z> hazlin: after some reflectiion
<2022-07-03T00:50:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dunno, I see it as proof of mass formation psychosis. These are the types who'd kill us in an instant just because their TV told them so imo
<2022-07-03T00:50:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's complicated 
<2022-07-03T00:51:26.000Z> hazlin: for sure
<2022-07-03T00:52:19.000Z> hazlin: you definitely have a point, I suppose I'm just not comfortable directing at all vaxxed universally xD
<2022-07-03T00:55:52.000Z> hazlin: I think my least poppular post on Gab was, that nurses that were forced to quite because they refused the jab, but turned around and gave interviews about all the bad stuff happening, are literally psychopaths, "This is wrong! The vax is for other people, I should be allowed to quietly be an accomplices"
<2022-07-03T00:57:23.000Z> hazlin: honestly, doctors lost 100% of my trust with the whole thing. The doctors and nurses literally chose their pay check over the well being of those that trusted in the "expert opinion" 
<2022-07-03T03:31:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Exactly
<2022-07-03T03:32:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's not even that though. It's basic autonomy. If I want to die through refusing medical treatment, you can't make more nor coerce me in anyway. 
<2022-07-03T03:33:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: So why trying and shove me out of society in complete for something that supposedly works? Shouldn't I be allowed to die?
<2022-07-03T05:06:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: My take on it anyways
<2022-07-03T09:38:06.000Z> hazlin: I think it comes down to, you know what is best for yourself
<2022-07-03T09:38:29.000Z> hazlin: well, more than other people, and less than God, but you know what I mean xD
<2022-07-03T09:39:05.000Z> hazlin: why were these nurses okay with being being injured or killed? Because, it wasn't their body, and because they were morally bankrupt 
<2022-07-03T09:40:01.000Z> hazlin: you just, can't turn over making your own decisions to any other man, it will always be worse, because you will always love yourself more than they love you, especially a stranger
<2022-07-03T10:48:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-06T10:19:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: Christian nationalism definitely is. You can tell because the people who promote it the most don't know what either of those two things are, let alone what it should be when they're slapped together
<2022-07-06T10:22:42.000Z> hazlin: well, those without Jesus, there only hope is for people to take action to make things better
<2022-07-06T10:23:49.000Z> hazlin: so they attack Christians for recognizing, God is our strength, and He is never in a rush xD
<2022-07-06T10:24:54.000Z> hazlin: "these Christians need to stop looking to God for direction and get out there and do something!"
<2022-07-06T10:28:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's actually the opposite. "CN"s have this overwhelming need to ONLY pray and take no action whatsoever; even going out of their way to even refuse to address issues. As a working example imagine a the supposed "Christian" Republicans who refuse to address the blatant library pedophile issues we have going on. 
<2022-07-06T10:29:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: As a Christian we should not even tolerate evil whatsoever, even if the least we can do is to publicly say something: we're supposed to. 
<2022-07-06T10:31:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's basically q-boomer madness. 
<2022-07-06T10:32:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Oh, this issue is taken care and in hand. I don't need to do anything, I prayed about it and that's more than enough." 
<2022-07-06T10:32:32.000Z> hazlin: I mean, the politicians are, just actors.
<2022-07-06T10:32:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's like the irl version of faith and works; you must have both or their worthless individually
<2022-07-06T10:33:16.000Z> hazlin: They actually get to vote, to change the thing, they aren't waiting for God to put them in charge, they are already in charge
<2022-07-06T10:35:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: And yet they don't do anything. You don't find that odd? 
<2022-07-06T10:36:23.000Z> hazlin: that they are paid actors? controlled position?
<2022-07-06T10:36:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's the same kind of behavior, even if the Republicans is even more unacceptable 
<2022-07-06T10:37:13.000Z> hazlin: I don't actually find it odd at all xD It fits perfectly 
<2022-07-06T10:37:20.000Z> hazlin: >faith and worksIs not of God, no matter how much James would claim otherwise.To go to an example from an earlier thread, David's works were, becoming an actual bandit, pillaging villages, and killing the woman and children so there were none to testify against him. However, he also had Faith in God, and God killed Saul, and put David on the throne.
<2022-07-06T10:37:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: With the CN I think it's a mix of a handful being fakes placed to waste time and function as a pressure release while the rest are just going along with it because it sounds good to them and no ones bothering to voice an actual anser
<2022-07-06T10:38:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean in the proper concept of faith and works, not the weirdness that David was up to lmao
<2022-07-06T10:39:00.000Z> hazlin: naa these people know what they are doing, it is clear as day to them, they've sold their soul for some money and clout 
<2022-07-06T10:39:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Praying to God for deliverance from evil is great, but it's ultimately meaningless if you constantly capitulate to that evil; especially if the only consequence of resisting it is being unpopular and being called a bigot
<2022-07-06T10:40:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: >most Christian nationalists aren't getting paid
<2022-07-06T10:40:38.000Z> hazlin: I was referring to the leaders
<2022-07-06T10:44:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: It seems likely yeah 
<2022-07-06T10:44:37.000Z> hazlin: >doesn't accept David as an exampleWell how about Abraham, goes around telling everyone his wife is actually his sister, causing all sorts of trouble, takes action to achieve God's promise in his own strength and creates a cursed race of people. But had Faith was deem Righteous and given the promise of the redeemer.
<2022-07-06T10:45:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: I don't think we're talking about the same thing lol
<2022-07-06T10:45:52.000Z> hazlin: I thought you were asserting that Faith wasn't enough.
<2022-07-06T10:45:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Faith and works as in faith that causes works. Faith is the fig you plant, works are the new figs you get from that sapling
<2022-07-06T10:47:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Faith isn't enough in terms of what we do. Faith in Christ is enough, but if we do have said faith we will be driven to do proper works that are proof of that faith
<2022-07-06T10:48:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Such as being saved and being driven to volunteer your time at a soup kitchen or donate to such while not necessarily well off yourself
<2022-07-06T10:48:48.000Z> hazlin: which, was why, I pointed to well know examples, of men failing in their works, but because they had faith, God gave the fruit
<2022-07-06T10:49:07.000Z> hazlin: So, I think we, understand each other, but just have different positions
<2022-07-06T10:49:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm not asserting the craziness that some sects do
<2022-07-06T10:50:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Personally I don't think these groups do enough because usually they're big enough to actually bring about the change they want, but refuse to do it in favor of appearing publicly presentable by the standards of evil 
<2022-07-06T10:51:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: At the very least they refuse to organize and act as a community, which is why they always fail and can't even properly be Christian or Nationalists 
<2022-07-06T10:54:30.000Z> hazlin: Though, I've often talked about the aspects of failed community, I think those churches fail, die off over time, because they make their purpose, to do good works, when their purpose should be to know Jesus (and they may have nothing beyond the sinners prayer in that regard)
<2022-07-06T10:54:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like imagine not organizing as a group and mobbing the school that says they're going to teach everyone's kindergartens gay sex Ed. You don't even have to be violent, just an inconvenient asspain to the point that the school admin just folds. 
<2022-07-06T10:55:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: These aren't even churches though, these are misplaced identitarian groups 
<2022-07-06T10:56:21.000Z> hazlin: Either way, the weapons of their warfare of flesh and blood, these a spiritual forces at work in the schools.
<2022-07-06T10:56:51.000Z> hazlin: they is why, even when the parents make a big stink, there is no change 
<2022-07-06T10:57:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's because they're doing it the wrong way lmao
<2022-07-06T10:58:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: They should be like the woman who harassed the judges until they granted her justice
<2022-07-06T11:00:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think we have drastically different views on not only what's happening and why, but what these groups effectively are 
<2022-07-06T11:01:05.000Z> hazlin: hmm, I think we will generally agree when discussing these things in context, and according to wisdom. 
<2022-07-06T11:01:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: My assertion is that even by and large, they aren't Christians nor nationalists. And that the marrying of these two concepts has even further degraded what they supposedly want to accomplish because they don't even know how they should go about it. 
<2022-07-06T11:02:10.000Z> hazlin: >Christian NationalistI was imagining republicans, or baptist church goers 
<2022-07-06T11:02:22.000Z> hazlin: if you meant something else, then I may have just been miss understanding 
<2022-07-06T11:05:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's the weirdo identitarians who claim to be both but are essentially neither. Usually they're found in almost all general, not liberal, groups as their own little scattered subsect. There's only a few real organized groups of such and they are very clearly powerless and compromised; America First is definitely one such group. 
<2022-07-06T11:07:34.000Z> hazlin: Okay, so we are talking about groups that do not in fact have any Faith, and also do not perform good works.
<2022-07-06T11:08:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically, though they do "pray" quite a lot 
<2022-07-06T11:08:19.000Z> hazlin: well, prayer and faith are different things xD
<2022-07-06T11:08:58.000Z> hazlin: the RCC probably prays more than any other Christian group, but you'd be hard pressed to find Faith there
<2022-07-06T11:09:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Their infuriating because they literally refuse to do anything at all. Met one irl and discussed abortion and their solution was to talk to people and pray, and openly opposed my suggestion as a soft local answer until something more could be done (this was a couple years ago)
<2022-07-06T11:10:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: My solution was to mandate medical standards 
<2022-07-06T11:11:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Abortion clinics cannot meet basic medical standards of any kind. Easy way to shut them down. 
<2022-07-06T11:11:50.000Z> hazlin: I once talked with a small group, that wanted tow write a letter of apology to local abortion clinic staff, in case a Christian had ever been unkind to them, because of where they worked.
<2022-07-06T11:12:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: For fucks sake
<2022-07-06T11:13:38.000Z> hazlin: When I strongly opposed that, they made me leave the group xD
<2022-07-06T11:18:54.000Z> hazlin: One thing I'd very much like to see, people that do have Faith, run for local political office 
<2022-07-06T11:22:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's definitely a step in the right direction at least
<2022-07-06T11:25:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like, they can put on a good face for one or the other, sometimes, but overall it always breaks down into civcuckery and Satanic apologism
<2022-07-06T11:26:39.000Z> hazlin: I think that is the appeal of the fascists, they aren't afraid to be unpopular or hated
<2022-07-06T11:29:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: It should also be an appeal of Christianity 
<2022-07-06T11:29:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Being righteous and hated is best
<2022-07-06T11:29:53.000Z> hazlin: I think so too xD
<2022-07-06T11:30:14.000Z> hazlin: when ever I make a post that gets zero likes, I think "ah yes, this was a good one" xD
<2022-07-06T11:35:06.000Z> hazlin: I've been confronted be an individual or group about 6 times, IRL accept something other than unmerited Favor and Peace from God.
<2022-07-06T11:36:05.000Z> hazlin: A similar number of times by atheists or leftists, attacking the idea of God, or trying to use PC politics to coerce me
<2022-07-06T11:37:28.000Z> hazlin: In general, it has been isolating, but Jesus is my treasure, and as long as I have Him, nothing of value has been lost.
<2022-07-06T11:41:20.000Z> hazlin: But, even though continuing to assert my unpopular truth hasn't yet produced a political following, I'm depending on God to bring good out of it.
<2022-07-06T11:46:29.000Z> hazlin: You know, I see you doing the same all the time xD
<2022-07-06T11:46:50.000Z> hazlin: Asserting the things you know to be true, even though, it is usually wildly unpopular xD
<2022-07-06T11:47:11.000Z> hazlin: Which, is really great.
<2022-07-06T12:07:47.000Z> hazlin: I think that is what it means to be rooted and grounded in truth. These Chrisnats you've been describing, this is what they lack. It is for sure a fruit of Faith, and without it, all they have is their wisdom, which always leads them into compromising with Satan.
<2022-07-06T12:09:07.000Z> hazlin: Remember that Pharaoh, kept offering compromises with Moses, and Moses kept insisting on, all the adults, all the children, all the live stock. But, the modern faithless cuck would have compromised and accepted the first offer. 
<2022-07-06T12:20:46.000Z> hazlin: I think that was the undoing of the modern churches, the ministers became careful with their words like politicians, they gained massive congregations, and avoided heat from the state, but ended up creating a generation of dead churches 
<2022-07-06T14:19:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: Itq also didn't help having atheist govt officials causing that as well. Lbj started the tax exemption revocation 
<2022-07-06T14:24:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Don't need to pay taxes though if you aren't receiving "donations"
<2022-07-07T12:48:33.000Z> hazlin: okay, I read through your TL, and don't see you fighting with nicecrew
<2022-07-07T12:48:48.000Z> hazlin: so, you'll have to tell me what they did xD
<2022-07-07T12:48:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: LMAO
<2022-07-07T12:50:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: just got to a point with them way back where I just got tired of them being annoying, so I blocked the entire instance. Then some of them who seemed reasonable broke down about it and began more or less screeching about it; like they have a right for me to see their nonsense
<2022-07-07T12:50:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: then theres any of the times I bother to check posts from nicecrew, it's always the most basic smoothbrain take imaginable
<2022-07-07T12:50:50.000Z> hazlin: lol what!
<2022-07-07T12:51:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Im honestly glad to have abandoned gab
<2022-07-07T12:51:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: most gabfugees are the worst
<2022-07-07T12:51:21.000Z> hazlin: >Im honestly glad to have abandoned gabSame here
<2022-07-07T12:51:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: "No porn,"Okay, thats kind of reasona-"No animu either."Fuck this place!
<2022-07-07T12:52:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao
<2022-07-07T12:53:20.000Z> hazlin: and at the sametime, I see them regularly interacting with @bot, and @e or @ew w/e their name is
<2022-07-07T12:54:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-07-07T12:54:24.000Z> hazlin: harmless anime -> get that SHIT out of here, we have real women.doxxers and gaslighting tormenters -> what is the problem? this is real women
<2022-07-07T12:54:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: theres no way they aren't feds or at least the reason why nothing good is going on at gab
<2022-07-07T12:55:41.000Z> hazlin: sigh, in general, whether they are on poast, KF, or NC, woman just want really simple interactions
<2022-07-07T12:56:06.000Z> hazlin: the most surface level, meaningless, treadmill interactions
<2022-07-07T12:56:24.000Z> hazlin: like a life time show
<2022-07-07T12:56:43.000Z> hazlin: a tiny bit of meaningless drama, and general entertainment 
<2022-07-07T12:57:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dont think they're actually women, I think theres a likihood that theyre honeypots, or at least honeypots that are actual female
<2022-07-07T12:57:11.000Z> hazlin: and, they end up with regular interactors 
<2022-07-07T12:57:26.000Z> hazlin: NC is just it happening on a macro scale
<2022-07-07T12:58:12.000Z> hazlin: >theyre honeypots.I don't see a payout for a honey bot in these cases.
<2022-07-07T12:58:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think they function like fuentes catboys and such, theyre their to gain blackmail in case a user in their goup gets big
<2022-07-07T12:58:33.000Z> hazlin: oh lol!
<2022-07-07T12:59:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Fuck this guys getting more popular than me! roll out his blackmail and make him stop posting as often,"
<2022-07-07T12:59:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean... if you have a choice between your private life being ruined or having a fake internet life being temporarily set back...
<2022-07-07T13:00:39.000Z> hazlin: okay okay, I can see that, and that seem to be a KF special, which is why so many of them are de-federated from poast
<2022-07-07T13:01:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup lol
<2022-07-07T13:02:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: ran into this too when I was interested in the current bid of independent American comics... comicsgate
<2022-07-07T13:03:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: it immediately devolved in the same way, because one lead retard started doing that, likely having learned it from KF as he was user there too lmao
<2022-07-07T13:03:03.000Z> hazlin: how so?
<2022-07-07T13:03:16.000Z> hazlin: ah
<2022-07-07T13:03:41.000Z> hazlin: you know, the problem with the independent comics people... that work is SHIT
<2022-07-07T13:03:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah 
<2022-07-07T13:03:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: some of it is yeah
<2022-07-07T13:03:56.000Z> hazlin: their work*
<2022-07-07T13:04:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: other dudes are just interested in doing something fun
<2022-07-07T13:09:38.000Z> hazlin: btw, your not the only person that thinks NC is a honey pot
<2022-07-07T13:10:32.000Z> hazlin: I was just thinking it was bot compromised 
<2022-07-07T13:11:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: could be all sorts of nonsense going on tbh, but theyre all over the place and clearly not organic
<2022-07-07T13:14:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: something like 90% of their userbase is just those petty interactions, its not normal. Its wrong.
<2022-07-07T13:18:13.000Z> hazlin: btw, for 400 years the roman emperor-priests bore the title of chief bridge maker, between this world and the next. "Pontifex Maximus" is the transliteration of this title. In 376 emperor Gratian being a Christian refused the Pagan Title, and two years later the Bishop of Rome claimed it for himself. He was Demasus the first Pope.
<2022-07-07T13:18:28.000Z> hazlin: >something like 90% of their userbase is just those petty interactions, its not normal. Its wrong.I AGREE
<2022-07-07T13:19:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Thats why his name is "Demasus the first". No one names their kids that, he was a royal, so what was he first of? lmao
<2022-07-07T13:19:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Asked rcc weirdos about that before and they always go on a cope expidition
<2022-07-07T13:20:10.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I remember you telling me that the other day, and I came across the details, so I wanted to share xD
<2022-07-07T13:20:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Wasnt*
<2022-07-07T13:21:24.000Z> hazlin: I considered making a post about it, but I'm not sure if it would be a net positive or net negative 
<2022-07-07T13:22:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: It would be a positive in my opinion, I think errors should be brow beaten into people constantly especially when they claim to know better
<2022-07-07T13:22:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: but thats my take
<2022-07-07T13:24:24.000Z> hazlin: I posted it :D
<2022-07-07T13:24:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: XD chances are its going to turn into a mess 
<2022-07-07T13:25:03.000Z> hazlin: pff, I doubt anyone will respond to it
<2022-07-07T13:25:17.000Z> hazlin: I think the die hard RCC have me muted
<2022-07-07T13:25:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: lol
<2022-07-07T13:26:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: when the US implodes Im actually very interested to see what the rcc types do in response to it, as this will hasten the blatant satanic globohomo that their monolith demands
<2022-07-07T13:28:06.000Z> hazlin: I'm sort of thinking either it will fully return to paganism, or it will birth a pure pagan religion, like true Christianity was rebirthed from it with the protestant reformation 
<2022-07-07T13:28:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: potentially, they are more or less already going that way as it is
<2022-07-07T13:29:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Santa Muerte, death marian insanity, is going to be the new pagan murder goddess,
<2022-07-07T13:32:29.000Z> hazlin: you know when I read, that the early protestants were convinced that the RCC would be the church of the anti-christ, I wasn't convinced 
<2022-07-07T13:32:53.000Z> hazlin: but now, it can see it is a real possibility 
<2022-07-07T13:33:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: a whore upon seven hills. where is vatican city again? lmao
<2022-07-07T13:33:53.000Z> hazlin: is it really?
<2022-07-07T13:34:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_hills_of_Rome
<2022-07-07T13:34:49.000Z> hazlin: I mean, even the fact, that the collect, pagan dick symbols, screams whore in a very literal since, doesn't it?
<2022-07-07T13:35:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: Vatican is obsessed with globohomo and lately became obsessed with nonhuman apologism, so theyre actively promoting pagan nonsense even moreso than just saint worship
<2022-07-07T13:35:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think whore is more metaphorical, in that nothing is sacred or good; that theyre for sale 
<2022-07-07T13:37:54.000Z> hazlin attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/921a2aa0cc457c918cd0bccca10ddb855ebf773f1174ce718b113af6289bea25.png
<2022-07-07T13:38:03.000Z> hazlin attached file https://i.poastcdn.org/fd0e0b0ea07311f049308c8986d5a33ea500d2a6f3108899c9e304a672adacea.png
<2022-07-07T13:38:09.000Z> hazlin: I think that is generally true
<2022-07-07T13:38:20.000Z> hazlin: but, did you know, this looks very sexual lol
<2022-07-07T13:38:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Considering that the pope is a position meant for stealing political power...
<2022-07-07T13:39:05.000Z> hazlin: and that obelisk is an import from Egypt, an actual symbol used in sun worship from antiquity?
<2022-07-07T13:39:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: its vanity, the building shape was chosen because its a keyhole; pope holds the keys for heaven or some such
<2022-07-07T13:39:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: rcc holds over sun worship lmao
<2022-07-07T14:08:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: you didnt know about the seven hills?
<2022-07-07T14:09:10.000Z> hazlin: nope
<2022-07-07T14:25:46.000Z> hazlin: dark thread poa.st/@BanditHeeler/posts/ALFK73LCodfI5Ql6gq
<2022-07-07T14:26:28.000Z> hazlin: for my self, and at least another person I know, we discovered our purpose was to know God
<2022-07-07T14:26:58.000Z> hazlin: but, I never see that being given as the answer to people who are despairing because they were denied the purpose of raising a family
<2022-07-07T16:43:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: damn
<2022-07-07T16:43:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: thats super dark
<2022-07-07T16:44:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: while I do have kids and are married, I honestly cant imagine finding value in myself just because I'm involved with someone or have those responsibilities
<2022-07-07T16:53:33.000Z> hazlin: ^^^
<2022-07-07T17:33:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: crazy
<2022-07-07T17:33:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: painful
<2022-07-07T17:35:57.000Z> hazlin: wat? we still talking about that last thing, you did you slam the car door on your hand?
<2022-07-07T17:36:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: just that dudes build their whole existance around something like that
<2022-07-07T17:37:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: like... if I hadn't met my wife I doubt I'd kill myself
<2022-07-07T17:37:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: I just can't really wrap my head around such a painful way of veiwing the world
<2022-07-07T17:38:50.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I think most people don't understand, just what God means by Salvation, to be everything you were created to be in all fullness
<2022-07-07T17:39:25.000Z> hazlin: but, the cultural picture of a marriage and family try to fill that whole
<2022-07-07T17:39:39.000Z> hazlin: I felt a similar pressure when I was working at a big corpo xD
<2022-07-07T17:39:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: could also be Male thinking in overdrive though...
<2022-07-07T17:40:21.000Z> hazlin: my life didn't make sense, and I wasn't happy, and the only guidences I was getting was "you just need a family" xD
<2022-07-07T17:40:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: as men we define ourselves by physcial purpose, could be because they dont have the hardline responsibilities...
<2022-07-07T17:41:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: families are one of the few real things left in the world that actual matter, that are an actual purpose
<2022-07-07T17:41:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: its terrible though that they don't veiw God as the most important though, as he can give the desperately needed meaning
<2022-07-07T18:02:46.000Z> hazlin: ^^^ yes!
<2022-07-07T18:10:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: man, boox is the best ereader ive ever used... this is nuts
<2022-07-07T18:12:16.000Z> hazlin: I've not heard of that before
<2022-07-07T18:12:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: its basically a tablet but with an ereader display
<2022-07-07T18:13:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: poa.st/notice/ALFtf66sWYpyuq1hlw.
<2022-07-07T18:13:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: look at how clean that looks, and its color too
<2022-07-07T18:14:09.000Z> hazlin: it does look nice xD
<2022-07-07T18:21:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: poastworksonoit
<2022-07-07T18:21:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: or not 
<2022-07-07T18:29:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-07-07T18:29:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: May have to screw around with the settings still
<2022-07-07T18:29:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Poast looks horrible on it
<2022-07-07T18:33:09.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-07-07T18:33:23.000Z> hazlin: you install the apk or open it in a browser?
<2022-07-07T18:34:18.000Z> hazlin: also, all the people acting like God smashed the Georgia guide stone with a meteor are hilarious xD
<2022-07-07T21:52:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's honestly worrying
<2022-07-07T21:52:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Browser
<2022-07-09T22:38:37.000Z> hazlin: btw my email address is hazlin@pm.me I'd hate to lose contact if poast suddenly vanished xD
<2022-07-09T22:46:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah lmao
<2022-07-10T12:38:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just realized I'll need to update my Enoch breakdown video.... it just never ends, this giant retarded rabbit hole 
<2022-07-10T12:44:04.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-07-10T12:45:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Something that needs to be addressed is the culture problem
<2022-07-10T12:47:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: The reason that Enoch resonates with some people is because of idealized mythology about the rebellion, which was derived from Enoch and not proper scripture or tradition
<2022-07-10T12:47:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's literally paradise lost's fault
<2022-07-10T12:47:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just like how idiots think Dantes inferno is somehow biblically sound
<2022-07-10T12:49:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: It also doesn't help that there are other sets of questionable text that constantly reassert the same origin concept, so it's just a continue flood of reinforcement 
<2022-07-10T18:16:36.000Z> hazlin: Say, I'd like to apologize, I did not speak to you like a friend today. I let my physical discomfort bleed into our conversation and directed those negative feeling towards you
<2022-07-10T18:17:16.000Z> hazlin: I do not actually care so much about Enoch, reading it has been amazing and eye opening for me personally, but I have no requirement for conformation of beliefs from you or anyone else
<2022-07-10T18:20:33.000Z> hazlin: Anyway, I am sorry, and hope you are having a wonderful blessed Sunday
<2022-07-10T22:08:25.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hm?
<2022-07-10T22:12:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Went to sleep, awake now.  Did something happen? 
<2022-07-10T22:15:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: I watched a breakdown of various great stories and Milton's paradise lost came up and I realized that for most people their theology comes from various other media or works that aren't even religiously related, like weirdos who base their theology and views off of Dantes inferno (something that relentless mocks the rcc, ergo it must be rcc theology!). In Milton's case it seems like he was familiar with Enoch and then based his writing on it, which is what most English speakers than draw their idea of Satan's rebellion from 
<2022-07-10T22:15:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Didn't mean to offend if I did, or did you delete messages? Lmao
<2022-07-10T22:17:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: Jubilees for instance reasserts the demon + human women but goes a step further: it claims they were married.  Also gets the names all mixed up and even further elaborates on the rebellion while introducing even crazier things
<2022-07-10T22:20:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: But I think the thing I realized is that there's a large body of non-proper theology and views that are constantly reinforced via culture and standing mythology. This is would likely explain a lot of interesting weirdness from various groups AND why sudden religious apathy is part of the recipe for a country to implode. 
<2022-07-10T22:20:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: And not just about Enoch, a ton of stuff is like this. 
<2022-07-10T22:23:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's like I had a epiphany about it. It's pretty nuts to be honest.
<2022-07-10T22:26:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like in the south, some churches will promote the idea of just beating your kids and in some cases hand out things to do it with (at least they did in the 90s). But any transgression, especially purposeful malisciousness from a Stanger or outside should be instantly forgiven without question.    This view was artifical and weirdly introduced at some point recently, like the 70s-80s. Now what would you assume the reason for trying to create a cultural draw, concepts and justifications not from scripture, on this idea would be? What is the purpose of this inconsistency?
<2022-07-10T22:27:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm think I'm getting a complete idea on how various concepts that lead to error occur. 
<2022-07-10T22:31:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: A guess a better assertion is the difference in views on what a witch is and how that's shaped by culture and more. 
<2022-07-10T22:33:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: In the past it was someone who was godless and engaged in potion making to steal from faithless idiots (snakeoil vendor), in the current age it's someone with powers derived from demons or Satan 
<2022-07-10T22:34:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: The Enoch angle is somewhat incidental now that I've slept on it, may have to a do a completely different video as this is it's own bottomless pit 
<2022-07-10T22:34:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: The Enoch angle is somewhat incidental now that I've slept on it, may have to a do a completely different qvideo as this is it's own bottomless pitq
<2022-07-10T22:38:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: And if you sperged out, I honestly don't mind at all. I prefer if my friends are honest about how they feel about something, even if it's not necessarily the kindest things said. As long as everything is fine in the end, it's find by me. 
<2022-07-10T22:38:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sorry for the weird semi-rant. I think I really stumbled on something: because even not even considering Enoch, most people's idea of the rebellion is from Milton's paradise lost and nothing else. 
<2022-07-10T22:54:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Fine*
<2022-07-10T22:57:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Besides, I know I can be annoying, so it isn't s big deal to me 
<2022-07-10T23:03:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll be honest, I'm pretty certain I have aspergers or something similar so when I fixate on a subject I tend to beat that horse into a fine powder, and I know that can be grating. If it does become an issue, just let me know and I'll make sure to not bring up certain things beyond the point of annoyance 
<2022-07-11T00:29:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or at the very least checklist syndrome
<2022-07-11T00:29:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Meh
<2022-07-11T01:21:25.000Z> hazlin: I felt physically really bad today, and so I ended up writing unusually aggressive and antagonistic messages, and after a few hours I realized, that I wasn't up set at you, I was just projecting my physical discomfort onto our conversation, I did delete the messages xD I am glad you didn't read them
<2022-07-11T01:27:07.000Z> hazlin: I think we are in sync regarding our desync on Enoch. And, we continue to move farther away on that particular topic. I'm getting excited about discovering that it is referenced all over the place, and that these references make sense with the new context Enoch provides, where as before, they seemed like very odd statements
<2022-07-11T01:31:00.000Z> hazlin: And, feel free to sperg away.
<2022-07-11T01:36:34.000Z> hazlin: Though, that also makes it a poor conversation topic for us, because of our starting places being so different, the points you make about Enoch are not compelling in my context xD
<2022-07-11T01:37:40.000Z> hazlin: And, by the same token, I've not been bringing up many of the discoveries from my own reading, because I think you will be pre-disposed to discredit them xD
<2022-07-11T01:39:07.000Z> hazlin: But, I am reading other things, like Babylon Mystery Regions, and well, many others that I've not had the chance to read yet, but that I think will make for interesting conversation xD
<2022-07-11T01:40:57.000Z> hazlin: Also, reading some of your messages tonight, I think you are making some good points, on other topics, but I don't see them logically connected to Enoch, probably because we've reached different conclusions xD
<2022-07-11T02:11:52.000Z> hazlin: You know... if wwii is a lie, then Neo-orthodoxy is also a lie
<2022-07-11T02:17:38.000Z> hazlin: pre-wwii the Trad churches thought that they just needed to educate people, lift them up, and it would make them gooder. After wwii you had a switch in thinking, because the Germans were the most educated, and they became the most evil, there for, education doesn't bring about goodness 
<2022-07-11T02:25:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: It was more of a general epiphany about Enoch and why it may resonate with some. Because our cultural standing mythos creates a pathway for it, a mythos created via a poet who read Enoch lmao
<2022-07-11T02:25:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hope you're doing better. Nothing too bad though? Just a summer cold?
<2022-07-11T02:27:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Neo-orthodoxy very may well be. Most of the reason for it isn't for God's sake but rather man's.  First sign that something is off imo
<2022-07-11T02:28:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Mystery religion stuff is interesting but I think some take it too far as a generalized concept of these cults existing and operating and fail to maintain the most important part of those studies: the cults are real, their false gods and insane beliefs arent.
<2022-07-11T02:29:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm actually quite interested in that subject XD usually finding excuses to learn about the very different cult groups and what they believe. It's odd to me though that none of them seem to be about cosmism, only whatever vague false gods or just admittedly demons.
<2022-07-11T02:29:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Where's the deranged Cthulhu cults damnit?
<2022-07-11T03:37:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Actually watched a crime breakdown about the "brides of Christ" cult, once it got to the making all the women swear to celibate even if married I couldn't help but yell and laugh about it
<2022-07-11T03:38:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: I was half hoping it wouldn't devolve into weirdo sex nonsense, but alas... lmao
<2022-07-11T05:53:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like this weird charismatic rolled into town and then just stole all the women via convincing them that having sex is evil, would have been a hilarious gigachad heretic move...
<2022-07-11T15:25:08.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-07-11T15:26:40.000Z> hazlin: strangely enough, my study of the Mystery Religions, has primarily shown that the RCC/Orthodoxy, are nearly 100% pagan, they are like, pagans, that also have Christian scripture available for reading 
<2022-07-11T15:29:00.000Z> hazlin: The reason why the cults and pagans have trouble getting traction, is that they are completing with a Mega-worldWide-Pagan-Cult that is the RCC/Orthodoxy
<2022-07-11T17:20:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: would explain a bunch
<2022-07-11T17:21:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: I thought you meant in regards to the mystery cults that some of the elites are all about
<2022-07-11T17:27:20.000Z> hazlin: I think those are just different branches of the same thing from ancient history
<2022-07-11T17:33:31.000Z> BrothorCraig: i dunnop
<2022-07-11T17:33:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think theyre retards who are larping
<2022-07-11T17:35:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao
<2022-07-11T17:36:51.000Z> hazlin: You think the modern people doing witchcraft or magic are larping?
<2022-07-11T17:36:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: None of them have direct linkage, and most of what they build off of is mythos and assumption. Kind of like the astratu dudes
<2022-07-11T17:37:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think the mystery cults are
<2022-07-11T17:37:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: not so much the idiots who think they have magic
<2022-07-11T17:38:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: theyre just kind of delusional imo
<2022-07-11T17:38:43.000Z> hazlin: I mean, the RCC/Orthodox, pray to 'saints', pray ritual prayers with prayer beads, and claim to drink blood
<2022-07-11T17:39:03.000Z> hazlin: but, I don't think they are larping, they are actually practicing pagans, practicing mysteries 
<2022-07-11T17:39:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: theyre in significant error because the proselytizers got lazy, imo lol
<2022-07-11T17:39:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: cult survives, just mutates because it wasn't stamped out
<2022-07-11T17:39:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Corthinians shows us how to properly stamp out the pagan, but that lesson was lost to those who dont read scripture
<2022-07-11T17:40:28.000Z> hazlin: I guess my point is, if the RCC/orth isn't larping, then the minor cults aren't either 
<2022-07-11T17:41:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or rather they dont think theyre larping, however; doubt SHOULD still be within them as they could in theory be redeemed, unless the theory on reprobates is true
<2022-07-11T17:42:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Personally I think most of them have a deep existential dread inside them that none of what they believe is true
<2022-07-11T17:46:25.000Z> hazlin: that should be true, because they don't believe because they are convinced, but rather, they believe because they are Forced to agree
<2022-07-11T17:51:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: well, forced to participate and against their conscience. Sunken cost fallicy
<2022-07-11T17:51:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: They cant stop or leave, otherwise itd be for nothing. Like a battered woman
<2022-07-11T18:01:06.000Z> hazlin: well, in their case the sunken cost is systemic, being told to doubt is to eject yourself from the body of Christ, from their Salvation 
<2022-07-11T18:03:29.000Z> hazlin: but I suppose that is tangential 
<2022-07-11T18:04:13.000Z> hazlin: essentially, I am not gate keeping people from being pagans or cult mystics xD
<2022-07-11T22:30:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: True
<2022-07-12T21:27:30.000Z> hazlin: did you demand that all the trouble haircuts be shaved bold?
<2022-07-13T00:26:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not yet XD but soon
<2022-07-13T00:27:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: People not following safety or security procedures. So inmates are just free to the open air or wandering around for no damn reason
<2022-07-13T00:34:49.000Z> hazlin: D:
<2022-07-13T00:36:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's ridiculous really
<2022-07-13T00:49:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also happened the same night a bunch of detainees decided to have a fistfight over a racketball ball
<2022-07-13T00:50:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Imagine if the doors had been open and they just spilled out into where the staff were...
<2022-07-13T00:51:37.000Z> hazlin: are these lifers or some group that has nothing to lose by attacking the management personnel?
<2022-07-13T00:51:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is also after an incident where a detainee attempted to gain access to a control unit after escaping their living area
<2022-07-13T00:52:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Because, drumroll, the doors had been propped open
<2022-07-13T00:58:32.000Z> hazlin: oof
<2022-07-13T01:02:24.000Z> hazlin: I used to work in an industrial enviroment 
<2022-07-13T01:02:53.000Z> hazlin: when people didn't follow the procedures there, they got smooshed 
<2022-07-13T01:03:20.000Z> hazlin: it was an international company
<2022-07-13T01:03:27.000Z> hazlin: and every few days someone would die
<2022-07-13T01:03:36.000Z> hazlin: and we'd all get an email report of what happened
<2022-07-13T01:07:52.000Z> hazlin: my favorite was "personnel fell to their death, because a board had been removed that was placed as a temporary fix to a fatal fall hole."
<2022-07-13T02:00:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: That's a lawsuit and a half, damn
<2022-07-16T15:54:39.000Z> hazlin: Paul, makes it clear he was ordained by God. And, that was after Peter was the supposed head of the body of Christ
<2022-07-16T15:55:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: I know LMAO
<2022-07-16T15:55:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: the claim might have some real bite to it all if Paul was the first pope
<2022-07-16T15:56:18.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just the fact of how he converted is proof of that
<2022-07-16T15:57:18.000Z> hazlin: Galatians 1:1 spells it out Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
<2022-07-16T15:58:11.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Rebellion against spiritual authority" is a hilarious phrase. What comes to mind for you when hearing it? XD
<2022-07-16T16:00:39.000Z> hazlin: well, what comes to mind is the incarnation of an ass whole trying to bend a brother to his will. But, if I was to seriousely consider the phrase... perhaps Satan or demons would qualify.
<2022-07-16T16:02:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: For me its the issue of: "What authority is it thats higher than God?" If I worship God and do my best as human man to carry out his will, how can I be rebelling against his spiritual authority? Clearly this is an invocation of an even higher authority
<2022-07-16T16:05:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Whose authority? 
<2022-07-16T16:08:00.000Z> hazlin: I see your point, I view it as, Jesus has made me His brother, and Son to Jehovah, I am a coheir to, well everything. Those who out rank me, are Jesus, and the Father.
<2022-07-16T16:08:27.000Z> hazlin: And, even they do not deal with me in a high handed way
<2022-07-16T16:10:30.000Z> hazlin: If anyone has a right to demand that I blindly obey, it is God, but He almost never demands that of me, always explaining things, and gently moving me forward. So when I encounter a man, that demands I obey unquestioningly, that seem to be far from God
<2022-07-16T16:10:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Its clear to me that the phrase is meant to invoke the men of the physical political group and its earthly represenatives as somehow being a higher authority. Totally whack. This is what happens when the ecclesia is fumbled into a weapon for power
<2022-07-16T16:13:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: I wouldn't say he doesnt make blindly obeying demands, he does, its just that at times we're too stupid to fully understand whats going on or why. Abraham being commanded to "sacrifice" on the mountain is a great example. God provided, but it was still mid commute for the sake of multi-compounding lesson
<2022-07-16T16:13:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: or not fully aware
<2022-07-16T16:13:28.000Z> hazlin: In the case of the Trad churches, that operate, their style of leadership is Pagan, their rituals are pagan, it is tempting to thing these a Christians gone a stray, but they are just pagans, doing pagan things, and when someone develops a personal relationship with God, they often leave the Trad churches.
<2022-07-16T16:14:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: The only appeal I see that some seek in them is: misunderstanding that oldest means true, virginal women, and some kind of false mysticism 
<2022-07-16T16:15:22.000Z> hazlin: The pagannisn of roam didn't die, it is the RCC/Orth xD
<2022-07-16T16:15:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll be dead honest: I'd go ape if it was reasonable to build beautiful stonework cathedrals everytime in regards to a church. The massive stained glass. The murals and more. But that's not enough for my soul.
<2022-07-16T16:16:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Orth is the Eastern Roman flavor 
<2022-07-16T16:17:03.000Z> hazlin: >I wouldn't say he doesnt make blindly obeying demandsI mean, I agree, but even when He demands it, the explanation usually immediately follows. No exceptions come to mind. Which makes the pagan approach of blind obedience, and perpetual mystery, incompatible 
<2022-07-16T16:26:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean in abrahams case he was just being vague, but still...
<2022-07-16T16:54:40.000Z> hazlin: lol! poa.st/@MelGibsonafter4Beers/posts/ALYTvspYAqcL2pGYqm
<2022-07-16T17:43:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup, snagged and saved it
<2022-07-16T17:44:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Synchronicity is real man
<2022-07-16T22:35:20.000Z> hazlin: you may have typo'ed that last one into the ground xD
<2022-07-16T22:35:27.000Z> hazlin: I'm not sure what you meant xD
<2022-07-17T03:03:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hm? 
<2022-07-17T03:07:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: If multiple compounding and contradictory groups have the authority to dictate what is true, what is true? 
<2022-07-17T04:29:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: How can they have authority when an multiple antithetical groups simultaneously exist who likewise bear that same authority? Lmao
<2022-07-17T04:29:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is the problem
<2022-07-17T04:31:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: If they acknowledge their authority they invalidate themselves. If they deny that authority then there's no reason to listen to them to begin with. They literally can't win because of their made up rules. 
<2022-07-17T06:53:23.000Z> hazlin: ah yes, I think that is why they turn to apostolic succession, they go "ours is true, because it is an unbroken chain"
<2022-07-17T06:54:03.000Z> hazlin: which... is a non-sequitur if you ask me
<2022-07-17T06:56:35.000Z> hazlin: And, I agree about the self defeating nature of their position
<2022-07-17T06:59:04.000Z> hazlin: They go "Jesus has given me authority and placed me in charge"And, you go "Jesus has given me authority and placed me in charge"
<2022-07-17T07:00:31.000Z> hazlin: they go "I was ordained by an unbroken chain from Jesus until today"you go "I was ordained by Jesus, my chain is directly to Him and unbroken"
<2022-07-17T07:03:05.000Z> hazlin: To deny you a unprovable relationship with Jesus, is to deny their own unprovable relationship with Jesus
<2022-07-17T07:04:32.000Z> hazlin: To affirm your position is to destroy their claim to exclusivity. If they cannot affirm or deny your position, without destroying their own, then their position is destroyed already
<2022-07-17T07:07:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well it's even more hilarious though because I'm also claiming an unbroken chain to the apostles. 
<2022-07-17T07:12:56.000Z> hazlin: in what way?
<2022-07-17T07:14:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: All the reformers were catholic priests, taught by catholic priests, or silently promoted and prompted by catholic priests who were sick of the corruption. If they  can claim connection, so can we.
<2022-07-17T07:15:10.000Z> hazlin: oh!
<2022-07-17T07:15:14.000Z> hazlin: such a good point!
<2022-07-17T07:15:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: Martin Luther WAS a catholic priest
<2022-07-17T07:29:50.000Z> hazlin: well, the essential issue, is they are not convinced of their own position, they can only demand others conform to it.
<2022-07-17T07:31:50.000Z> hazlin: and I really do like your point lol
<2022-07-17T07:53:02.000Z> hazlin: I am going to get some sleep, before I get dragged into a hellthread where someone insists I can't know truth xD
<2022-07-17T08:56:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: "This statement is false,"- a true statement 
<2022-07-17T08:57:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-07-17T17:11:24.000Z> hazlin: ^^^ yes
<2022-07-17T17:12:24.000Z> hazlin: I was just so amazed that, the guy you were talking to claims that, truth can only be decided by someone with sufficient authority that I felt the need to comment xD
<2022-07-18T06:59:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: This is how you know its a cult, that and the recursive argument that fails itself. Authority is granted by succession, but all of these guys have succession... so how do you have authority? Because. 
<2022-07-18T19:57:52.000Z> hazlin: I always shy away from calling things a cult, everyone is using it all the time to describe anyone outside of their group. So, it doesn't have a concrete meaning to me. Like, saying something is gay or retarded, I recognize that is bad, but it doesn't actually mean anything xD
<2022-07-18T19:59:30.000Z> hazlin: but that is more of a tangential statement. I really did like your training of reasoning
<2022-07-18T20:00:55.000Z> hazlin: This farther reinforces my perception, they were never convinced of the truth of their position, they were forced to agree, and that is why they cannot convince Christians outside of the Trad churches to join their group
<2022-07-19T07:36:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: They can't even construct a valid argument for themselves lmao
<2022-07-19T07:37:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Even they aren't honestly convinced
<2022-07-19T08:22:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Otherwise
<2022-07-19T08:22:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: S
<2022-07-19T08:22:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: They'd commit to the bit
<2022-07-19T08:28:33.000Z> hazlin: it should be their flat earth moment "how do you know what you've been taught is true"
<2022-07-19T09:21:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: "How do acount for xyz?" Lmao
<2022-07-19T09:31:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dunno, personally I think cult will have a properly usage return soon
<2022-07-21T02:32:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Another inesteresting aside for the apocalypse: what other city sits on seven hills?
<2022-07-21T08:26:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Jerusalem and Washington DC also sit on 7 hills
<2022-07-21T09:22:08.000Z> hazlin: oooo
<2022-07-21T09:23:11.000Z> hazlin: That would make since 
<2022-07-21T09:23:52.000Z> hazlin: In the past I was pretty certain about it all playing out around Jerusalem 
<2022-07-21T09:24:22.000Z> hazlin: Especially because the names used, are the geographic locations around Israel 
<2022-07-21T09:26:23.000Z> hazlin: The realization that white people are all decedents of Jacob, has brought that into a little doubt, or at least opened me up to there being alternatives 
<2022-07-21T09:28:07.000Z> hazlin: But, am i still convinced it will be the jew in [modern] Israel 
<2022-07-21T09:29:00.000Z> hazlin: They were in rebelling against God, during Jesus' first visit, and that they should be in rebellion against God during the tribulation seems to fit perfectly 
<2022-07-21T09:45:38.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, however I don't think it'll likely be a singular evil incarnate, but rather a constant other-christ society or more that draws people away; like money or media
<2022-07-21T09:45:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Anti" as in the Greek rather than latin
<2022-07-21T09:56:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Interesting take away https://i.poastcdn.org/44564bcc48c8bcb32f40af630c6fe5bc7d1e857064e4f841ef6ce966448e78e4.jpg
<2022-07-21T09:57:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Talmudic priest? https://i.poastcdn.org/6dd769edb53347e7a857ad673bf5957b12333993a7d7a6bddf183369160b796e.jpg
<2022-07-21T09:57:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: And then there's the non future interpretation that's interesting  https://i.poastcdn.org/78c3e28140bc855660224675364bcf5a6cbe85d3c6a98d0906ff884cd565458f.jpg
<2022-07-21T23:53:57.000Z> hazlin: [tangentially] have you noticed there is an overwhelming amount of people claiming to have visions have the tribulation? They dream about the UN rounding people up, and killing them if they wont renounce Christ, they dream about earth quakes and meteorites. Some dream about having their head cut off. And, others dream about floating up into the sky.
<2022-07-21T23:56:11.000Z> hazlin: [tying back] From Acts 2 "....In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and ...."
<2022-07-22T00:37:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, but they've been saying that since day one of the UN
<2022-07-22T00:38:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Plus it's mostly charismatics and rcc saying such
<2022-07-22T00:38:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: I don't put much faith in those, especially since there's nothing beyond the usual in such visions. It's literally just status quo. 
<2022-07-22T00:39:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Now if one of them predicated something off the wall like that the rcc was going to begin persecuting Christians for jews/Muslims then I'd pay attention 
<2022-07-22T01:28:32.000Z> hazlin: One of them predicted that the pope would resign at a certain date, and he did, and other predicted tablet computers, and of course we have those now.
<2022-07-22T01:29:09.000Z> hazlin: though, I think the increasing volume is a better induction than validation of predicted details 
<2022-07-22T02:38:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: I disagree. We're seeing conclusions based on basic predictive concepts. Most scifi authors predicted so many things, they aren't prophets. 
<2022-07-22T02:38:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: As for the pope thing, there's a deluge of those for every pope
<2022-07-22T03:03:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean like someone predicting something off the wall
<2022-07-22T04:23:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Vamt even articulate what I mean, ugh. Like
<2022-07-22T04:24:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Prophesying something that no one, not even the schizos, touches on
<2022-07-22T04:24:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: At least that's my take
<2022-07-22T04:25:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: Often times in scripture such prophecy were at times when the subject was unthinkable as a thing, I'd imagine true prophecy would be likewise
<2022-07-22T04:34:52.000Z> hazlin: that is an interesting perspective xD
<2022-07-22T04:39:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean
<2022-07-22T04:39:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: .it's consistent though
<2022-07-22T04:39:58.000Z> hazlin: that is true
<2022-07-22T04:40:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: So Israel being wiped off the map, or the US... these are possibilities 
<2022-07-22T04:42:59.000Z> hazlin: Even though the Kim Clement Trump prophies are mundane by those standards. I think if Trump gets a second term in 2024, people will generally see him as being prophetically true on the Trump topic 
<2022-07-22T16:59:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or more specifically like Japan becoming a Baptist nation lmao
<2022-07-22T16:59:21.000Z> BrothorCraig: Tried to look it clement stuff and couldn't find much
<2022-07-23T13:07:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like blasting through and looking for a specific list breakdown was a nightmare and a waste of time
<2022-07-23T13:08:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's all video and all of it is weirdly overly vague except for the parts rhat arent, and more often than not most of those things are wrong 
<2022-07-23T13:15:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: "There will be two presidents," 
<2022-07-23T13:15:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Except, that didn't happen
<2022-07-23T19:56:38.000Z> hazlin: one that won 49 states, and one that stole the election xD
<2022-07-23T19:57:36.000Z> hazlin: God's president will be a New Yorker, that was there for 911
<2022-07-23T19:58:09.000Z> hazlin: becomes president whispering about God, but once in talks about him boldly
<2022-07-23T19:58:33.000Z> hazlin: appoints two supreme court justices, that turn SCOTUS around
<2022-07-23T19:59:11.000Z> hazlin: and, will have two terms
<2022-07-23T19:59:59.000Z> hazlin: I think there was also some stuff in there about, those in power will hate what he says, but I don't remember the details
<2022-07-23T20:01:36.000Z> hazlin: I only looked into it recently, but was surprised by how many references he made to trump being president, and the events of that presidency in 2007 and 2014
<2022-07-23T22:59:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes. But half of them didn't happen. You could postulate that they haven't happened yet, but I honestly don't see them happening 
<2022-07-23T23:00:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Trump pussed out when he should have slammed our entire political system to a halt when they stole the election, he will never will another election again
<2022-07-26T01:09:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: What if there was a disease you could only catch if you didn't have an immune system? That's what I'm thinking
<2022-07-26T08:56:54.000Z> hazlin: oh, I think there is a lot of that
<2022-07-26T08:57:30.000Z> hazlin: This post poa.st/@King_Porgi/posts/ALrlMRGgurBNsana52
<2022-07-26T08:58:09.000Z> hazlin: It appears that underlying conditions increase in intensity with each dose of poisonous vaccine 
<2022-07-26T11:58:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-26T11:58:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's designed to kill people
<2022-07-26T22:11:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gonna look at jumping over to the sister company where we just ship retards around instead of babysitting them
<2022-07-26T22:12:31.000Z> hazlin: ooo sounds like a step up
<2022-07-26T23:01:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Should be, won't pay as much but it's safer and they'll keep their contract for decades
<2022-07-26T23:21:44.000Z> hazlin: >saferHuh thought that would be the other way around, seems like there is more risk for escape during transport 
<2022-07-26T23:22:13.000Z> hazlin: but, then again, someone sitting around with too much time to think would be more dangerous 
<2022-07-26T23:27:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Safer in that there's less possibility for complacency 
<2022-07-26T23:28:53.000Z> hazlin: ah
<2022-07-27T00:27:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: 40 employees with 800 instance of failure versus 3 employees and 20 instances 
<2022-07-27T00:28:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'd rather take the 20 and work on that then constantly policing reta4
<2022-07-27T00:28:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: Retards who don't care and won't learn
<2022-07-27T00:29:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literally tried to save a guy from being crippled and a cunt supervisor basically said that I was just bitching for no reason
<2022-07-27T00:40:27.000Z> hazlin: I can see why, your failure rate is 3x higher per person at your current place 
<2022-07-27T01:01:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-27T01:02:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's just a constantly daily battle of telling people to not do things that are unsafe or out of process and them shitting on me for it in response. 
<2022-07-27T01:12:52.000Z> hazlin: That sounds like the back story to every disaster xD
<2022-07-27T01:16:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's insane. 
<2022-07-27T01:34:47.000Z> BrothorCraig: What do you mean I shouldn't prop open security doors?
<2022-07-27T01:36:47.000Z> hazlin: "You want me to unlock it 2 times in a row? They don't pay me enough for that!"
<2022-07-27T01:43:26.000Z> hazlin: What is the make and model of your CPU? On linux "cat /proc/cpuinfo" or on windows, right-click on my-computer or computer (depending on your version) and the on properties 
<2022-07-27T01:44:00.000Z> hazlin: from that I can probably recommend a heatsink
<2022-07-27T01:44:33.000Z> hazlin: unless you have a like a micro-shower or some irregular small pre-built thing
<2022-07-27T01:44:45.000Z> hazlin: micro-tower*
<2022-07-27T02:01:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll have to check. Comp was dying no reason and I realized it was because the fan/sink was packed with dust and cat hair and not running. Got it running again, but likely means it needs to be replaced at this poi t
<2022-07-27T02:02:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'll have to check man, can recall off of my head 
<2022-07-27T02:02:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Can't 
<2022-07-27T03:04:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Saw some cool stuff but have no way to mount it, main concern is just finding something that uses the same mounting system
<2022-07-27T03:04:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-07-27T03:05:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Had a meltdown about it though when I found out that whatever system I use may or may not make this a nightmare
<2022-07-27T03:05:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: I wish we had an Eli Whitney of computers...
<2022-07-27T04:05:51.000Z> hazlin: I guess that is an advantage of building with very standard parts, makes repair easy
<2022-07-27T05:22:30.000Z> BrothorCraig: Just need to have a standardized standard imo
<2022-07-27T05:22:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like full interchangeable across all brands with little to no issue
<2022-07-27T05:23:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Honestly shocks me that that's not a thing
<2022-07-27T05:23:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Think I'm gonna start actually using my versus channel on odyssey after I slam my Enoch video up there
<2022-07-27T05:24:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Gotta go over the monkeypox insanity, the great chastisement, all sorts of stuff
<2022-07-27T05:24:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: Definitely want to go over the authority issue that a tons of rcc weirdos are always on about lmao
<2022-07-27T05:24:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or that Christian nationalists are often cancer
<2022-07-27T05:28:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: So much stuff to make
<2022-07-27T05:30:38.000Z> hazlin: I... can't download videos from Odyssey last I checked xD So I still haven't seen any of your videos
<2022-07-27T05:31:36.000Z> hazlin: As for heat-sinks the one I am currently using fits i5 i7 and several AMD models
<2022-07-27T05:32:22.000Z> hazlin: it feels universal, but there are probably acceptations, actually, I had to reinstall it 3 times to get it not to hit the case, ram, or video card 
<2022-07-27T05:39:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-07-27T05:40:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like they won't load for you at all?
<2022-07-27T05:50:55.000Z> hazlin: naa, I just having watched a video on a website, outside of clips on poast in many months 
<2022-07-27T05:51:19.000Z> hazlin: tthere may be a way to rip from Odyssey now, I'll have to check
<2022-07-27T05:52:53.000Z> hazlin: I SEE THERE IS A DOWNLOAD BUTTON NOW
<2022-07-27T05:54:16.000Z> hazlin: I am downloading the first pokemon one now xD
<2022-07-27T06:21:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: The professor oaks challenge of Sword? Lmao
<2022-07-27T10:28:30.000Z> hazlin: woah, you sound so normal
<2022-07-27T10:28:41.000Z> hazlin: you sound similar to how I imaged
<2022-07-27T10:29:02.000Z> hazlin: because when you would fight with people I'd read it in a stewy griffin voice 
<2022-07-27T10:29:25.000Z> hazlin: it is like the american version of that
<2022-07-27T13:22:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-07-27T13:23:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: If I'm gonna go for a cartoon villain voice I'd at least go for a modern Dr. Robotnik or something, jeez lmao
<2022-07-27T15:18:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Full schizo idea: full audio book of the 1611 kjv in a gravely smokers voice with fire crackling in the background
<2022-07-27T15:37:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Even the mini book or hours lmao
<2022-07-27T15:37:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: Dunno, could be pretty based
<2022-07-31T08:40:29.000Z> hazlin: honestly just reading the Bible is kind of amazing 
<2022-07-31T08:40:37.000Z> hazlin: even the parts you think you the the best
<2022-07-31T08:40:58.000Z> hazlin: it is like, they are updated with DLC since the last time you read them, and there is more there for you xD
<2022-07-31T09:09:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's just because at times some parts are more "real" based on our day to day lives and resonate more. You can more properly understand due to experience 
<2022-07-31T09:09:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: Have encountered that though
<2022-07-31T09:11:55.000Z> hazlin: I used to think that as well, until I discovered it never stopped, I could just keep reading the same section and learning xD
<2022-07-31T09:16:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah
<2022-07-31T09:16:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: I dunno
<2022-07-31T09:16:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: Holy spirit is literally the only other possibility 
<2022-07-31T09:17:33.000Z> hazlin: yeah, I agree with that xD
<2022-07-31T09:18:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also just found out about a book that nearly made it into the Bible but didn't, and I'd never heard of it till recently 
<2022-07-31T09:18:49.000Z> hazlin: oh, which one?
<2022-07-31T09:18:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Sheperd of Hermas
<2022-07-31T09:22:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Narrative of it basically makes it a NT wisdom book, like Job kind of story aspect
<2022-07-31T09:22:45.000Z> hazlin: I've heard the name, but do not know about the contents
<2022-07-31T09:23:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: The primary character works through his life and faith in Christ to become a proper Christian. It's interesting 
<2022-07-31T09:23:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: Quite a few issues with it though
<2022-07-31T09:25:04.000Z> hazlin: oof if it is as confusing as job, maybe it was better it wasn't in the Bible, I've heard so many trash job sermons
<2022-07-31T09:25:24.000Z> hazlin: people act like, because it is hard to understand, you can make it say what ever you want
<2022-07-31T09:27:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: One of the major points, if I recall properly, was that hermas was in an adulterous relationship and working through that issue but wouldn't actually cut it off till the actual change that occurred within him. Some at the time felt that this was unacceptable in terms of a presentation, and arguably it is.
<2022-07-31T09:35:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Dunno. Should sit down and read it sometime
<2022-07-31T09:35:16.000Z> hazlin: like, he was plowing hoes? and he got saved, and then he was like "no more hoes"
<2022-07-31T09:36:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: No. More like he was plowing a single ho consistently while having a wife and working through the "wait a minute, I shouldn't do this, this is wrong." Concept
<2022-07-31T09:37:59.000Z> hazlin: And, it was excluded because he had a ho to being with?
<2022-07-31T09:39:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically because it presented the concept of being addicted to sin and that for that particular sin would be something that for some couldn't just be stopped on dime
<2022-07-31T09:48:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Effectively that it shouldn't be a slow process to work through, and while I agree, I can see in concept why it was likely picked as Hermas' issue
<2022-07-31T09:51:17.000Z> hazlin: hmm, I guess I could feel either way about it as a book for the bible, have to read it myself for the subtle details 
<2022-07-31T09:54:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: I can see both arguments, though that might change once I read it
<2022-07-31T09:54:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh yeah, definitely gonna be leaving my current job
<2022-07-31T09:55:28.000Z> hazlin: they doing for a new failure rectors? Or do you mean, that the transport people got back to you
<2022-07-31T09:55:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: New failures lmao
<2022-07-31T09:56:08.000Z> hazlin: oof
<2022-07-31T09:56:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Hopefully the transport dudes follow up soon, because I'm absolutely done
<2022-07-31T09:57:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: New hire has been bitching because I'm "Hey, follow protocol.", so I got pulled from my post for a *break*
<2022-07-31T09:57:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Proceeded to catch that for the last several days, if not just today, they've been larping that one of the doors is secure. It's been open this whole damn time. 
<2022-07-31T09:58:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: The pedo pod. Just open. 
<2022-07-31T09:58:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's not like the general pop guys would want to kill them or that these sex offenders might try something... nah
<2022-07-31T10:00:16.000Z> hazlin: well look, it sounds like by the time, the guests are drinking soup out of the skulls of your colleges, you'll be long gone :D
<2022-07-31T10:02:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-07-31T10:02:17.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ridiculous bullshit man. 
<2022-07-31T10:03:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Imagine checking a restricted area and finding an unacceptable condition for 4hours+ and just... not saying anything about it. Just why? 
<2022-07-31T10:03:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: Females man. 
<2022-07-31T10:06:03.000Z> hazlin: they literally need different jobs then men
<2022-07-31T10:06:16.000Z> hazlin: because they are THAT different
<2022-07-31T10:06:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: They literally shouldn't be allowed to have real jobs, they should only work part time gigs where no one has to rely on them for anything
<2022-07-31T10:08:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like a cashier, or waitress. Stockroom clerk. Things where if they screw up its just an inconvenience rather than something serious
<2022-07-31T10:08:23.000Z> hazlin: ahh that doesn't sound quite right, I think wives used to be heavily relied on for many house hold things
<2022-07-31T10:09:33.000Z> hazlin: reliable business women are even an older concept than the NT of the bible xD 
<2022-07-31T10:09:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: I mean for employment, not households
<2022-07-31T10:10:00.000Z> hazlin: what I mean are, the rough jobs, like your area, or the military, or navy, or many other jobs
<2022-07-31T10:10:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: As employees they should be kept away from important things
<2022-07-31T10:10:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: If a woman is competent to run her own business then it's whatever, but most arent
<2022-07-31T10:11:18.000Z> hazlin: that makes sense
<2022-07-31T10:11:50.000Z> hazlin: I just see women pushed into jobs they have no business with
<2022-07-31T10:12:12.000Z> BrothorCraig: Or they pursue it because they're scum. Like my job or the military. 
<2022-07-31T10:13:19.000Z> BrothorCraig: The screw up involved with tonight has literally been flirting with the inmates, even the pedo pod guys... 
<2022-07-31T10:13:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: My hatred for what society has done in regards to ruining women is unbidden 
<2022-07-31T10:14:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also realized something hilarious 
<2022-07-31T10:18:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: My lineage for being a royal is through Scottish blood, I can snag a Scottish title. If England gets nuked and the royals all die, I'd be able to try and claim and even rebuild the Scottish monarchy. All of which is possible 
<2022-07-31T10:19:04.000Z> BrothorCraig: Plus, being able to revoke my citizenship on the fly. Can't get drafted if I'm not a citizen 
<2022-07-31T10:19:28.000Z> hazlin: lol
<2022-07-31T10:20:27.000Z> hazlin: get you a Declaration of Arbroath and mount it on your wall
<2022-07-31T10:24:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Still think it'd be hilarious to be declared a monarch and immediately arrest all the monarchists 
<2022-07-31T10:32:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Noice
<2022-07-31T10:33:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Probably should learn Scots 
<2022-07-31T11:22:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Would be an entertaining thing
<2022-07-31T11:23:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: Think I'm gonna get back to work on trying to render the Bible from Greek 
<2022-07-31T12:00:56.000Z> hazlin: learning koine greek is very useful
<2022-07-31T12:01:22.000Z> hazlin: the biggest challenge will be finding material that doesn't have theological bias baked in
<2022-07-31T13:03:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh yeah 
<2022-07-31T13:03:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well that's like reading the antenicene stuff lmao
<2022-07-31T13:04:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: About midway through anything you can begin to sniff it our
<2022-08-01T15:47:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not even joking about torbo
<2022-08-01T15:47:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: dude has been accidentally correct a handful of times, so people conveniently overlook the open promotion of grifting and homosexualism
<2022-08-01T15:48:04.000Z> hazlin: xD
<2022-08-01T15:49:45.000Z> hazlin: yeah, it was the association with the fake leaders, those that get pushed into the position, because they have something that means they cannot lead. a black person cannot lead a white movement, a homosexual cannot lead a Christian movement, etc.
<2022-08-01T15:50:45.000Z> hazlin: torba, is so thursty for that mainstream money that he doesn't care, and will gobble any balls that promise the mainstream to him
<2022-08-01T15:59:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: its insane honestly, very sad
<2022-08-01T16:00:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: to start with he had a huge opportunity, but after learning the full background of Gab; if he had kept it federated and leveraged it as a blatantly Christian/Nationalistic instance he could have made effective change
<2022-08-01T16:00:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: Instead he went for the cash
<2022-08-01T16:03:02.000Z> hazlin: yeah
<2022-08-01T16:03:11.000Z> hazlin: also, the bot/numbers trap
<2022-08-01T16:03:38.000Z> hazlin: those are ruthlessly purged here, and it makes a big difference 
<2022-08-01T17:20:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-08-01T17:20:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Well, except for the approved bots like the fake Graf or Emma lmao 
<2022-08-01T17:20:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: Those are hilarious 
<2022-08-01T17:23:42.000Z> hazlin: yeah, well, they are labeled as well :D
<2022-08-01T17:24:45.000Z> BrothorCraig: Oh
<2022-08-01T17:25:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: May end up quiting my current job in the middle of a shift, dunno though
<2022-08-01T17:25:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Don't even have anything lined up, but at this point it'd be the only sane and legal response I can give
<2022-08-01T17:27:05.000Z> hazlin: I figured with those gov adjacent jobs you would need a clean transition or does it really not matter?
<2022-08-01T17:27:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: Dumb new hires left a door open for numerous hours and didn't see anything wrong with it; the pedo pod. Nothing being done about it, no reprimand. Massive security failure and huge risk all around to everyone 
<2022-08-01T17:29:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: Depends, though after explaining that I had been fighting supervision over constant security issues and them seemingly doing absolutely nothing about it... might end up like my last job situation. Current company was impressed that I walked off over security stupidity
<2022-08-01T17:32:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: While it was a mild inconvenience last time, this time it could potentially really fuck things up lmao
<2022-08-01T17:34:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: "Hey I need a smoke break,"
<2022-08-01T17:34:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: *Takes off after being relieved while being the only competent control system operator*
<2022-08-01T17:35:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Ooops
<2022-08-01T17:40:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not to mention the resulting manning issue, were usually short handed
<2022-08-01T17:40:30.000Z> hazlin: I think that is a universal issue
<2022-08-01T17:41:00.000Z> hazlin: my guess is the vax culled healthy young laborers from the pool
<2022-08-01T17:41:24.000Z> hazlin: so it doesn't matter that wages keep going up, there just aren't enough people
<2022-08-01T17:41:32.000Z> hazlin: to fill those positions 
<2022-08-01T17:43:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: For this job it's likely because of a mix of stupidity, bad environment, and favoritism 
<2022-08-01T17:43:44.000Z> BrothorCraig: One my buddies is leaving because they won't allow him to recert for weapons just because the chief doesn't like him
<2022-08-01T17:44:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's becoming apparent that the place is run by middle managers and idiots
<2022-08-01T17:45:36.000Z> BrothorCraig: We don't have enough weapon carted staff and half the idiots they hire refuse to get carted in the first place 
<2022-08-01T17:45:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: So why not recert the guy? Idiots.
<2022-08-01T17:46:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Certed 
<2022-08-01T17:46:12.000Z> hazlin: could be a money thing
<2022-08-04T11:56:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: interveiw went well, would-be new supervisor advised that I go get a cdl permit
<2022-08-04T11:56:59.000Z> BrothorCraig: I'm as good as hired imo
<2022-08-04T11:57:11.000Z> hazlin: great to hear!
<2022-08-04T11:57:33.000Z> BrothorCraig: definitely
<2022-08-04T11:57:50.000Z> BrothorCraig: wont be able to start till october, but its whatever
<2022-08-04T11:57:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: just need to make it till then
<2022-08-04T11:58:33.000Z> hazlin: you can do it
<2022-08-04T11:58:40.000Z> BrothorCraig: Also hilarious because my buddy who got picked up first has apparently caused a complete shitfest at work so theyre taking measures to make sure that the current company doesnt find out till they have to know
<2022-08-04T11:58:46.000Z> hazlin: Jesus will keep you safe in the mean time
<2022-08-04T11:58:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: absolutely
<2022-08-08T03:42:52.000Z> hazlin: lol shillshill
<2022-08-08T03:43:54.000Z> hazlin: in hunter x hunter, they literally say nigger, but the sub has it as nigg https://i.poastcdn.org/35be14d1479a875cdfe0dad21a68dc6a0efe44a0c5e73a9416adac0419ebbdbd.png
<2022-08-08T10:26:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lol
<2022-08-09T14:30:24.000Z> hazlin: Wait, why did your cousin need to be homeless xD
<2022-08-09T18:52:34.000Z> BrothorCraig: Because she was an irredeemable pos and never learned to be an adult 
<2022-08-09T18:52:56.000Z> BrothorCraig: Basically spent her formative years being a useless cumrag and drug addict
<2022-08-09T18:53:22.000Z> BrothorCraig: Then once things hit the fan decided that living off of my grandmother was a solution
<2022-08-09T18:54:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: Clearly shows signs of instability and nigger time paradox, as well as a general inability to make any kind of meaningful decision
<2022-08-09T18:54:46.000Z> hazlin: oof
<2022-08-09T18:54:46.000Z> hazlin: The ones I've known had good enough relations with their family, that they didn't end up homeless
<2022-08-09T18:56:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: Like she turned down a real career job so she could continue doing drugs, stalking her then overly desperate boyfriend, and debatably whoring about in her free time
<2022-08-09T18:58:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Eventually grandmothers stuff and cash started disappearing so other relatives took power of attorney and kicked her out of her house, ridiculous 
<2022-08-09T19:35:29.000Z> hazlin: rough
<2022-08-09T19:37:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: It's about time to be honest 
<2022-08-09T19:37:37.000Z> BrothorCraig: She's literally the postergirl for hysterionic personality disorder
<2022-08-09T19:39:14.000Z> hazlin: things broke in the other direction with my uncle, the drug use led to an extreme case my mental illness
<2022-08-09T19:39:46.000Z> hazlin: that last "my" should have been "of"
<2022-08-09T19:40:53.000Z> hazlin: after a few decade in an asylum, they finally invented a medicine that keeps him grounded  
<2022-08-09T19:41:09.000Z> hazlin: now he lives with me, though I only help to take care of him
<2022-08-09T19:45:57.000Z> hazlin: which, is nearly a happy ending considering the alternatives :D
<2022-08-09T20:18:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yeah 
<2022-08-13T22:00:08.000Z> BrothorCraig: Not even joking about it
<2022-08-13T22:00:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Literally always Norse "paganism"
<2022-08-13T22:00:46.000Z> hazlin: well, they can't go the other rout
<2022-08-13T22:00:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: They don't even know if they actually worshipped them or if it was just weirdo folk stories
<2022-08-13T22:00:51.000Z> hazlin: because then they realize it is the RCC
<2022-08-13T22:01:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, but they could just pick up non-corrupt actual Christianity
<2022-08-13T22:02:58.000Z> hazlin: But, how can they rebel against Jesus if they do that?!
<2022-08-13T22:03:14.000Z> BrothorCraig: Lmao
<2022-08-13T22:03:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's just that they're rebelling against a perceived system and their parents
<2022-08-13T22:06:14.000Z> hazlin: then they are very much in the same boat as the flat-earthers, they realize that they are being lied to, but don't have any foundation to differentiate between truth and lies, so they try to discard everything
<2022-08-13T22:07:29.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yup
<2022-08-13T22:07:43.000Z> BrothorCraig: They perceive it as being strong, and there is a definite issue with mainline Christianity being feminized
<2022-08-13T22:08:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it's also a perception issue too
<2022-08-13T22:09:00.000Z> BrothorCraig: Most Christian groups are overly welcoming of feminism or anything that displaces men. The first Christian men's group literally changed the world and was founded by God himself in the flesh...
<2022-08-13T22:09:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: Need to get back to that
<2022-08-13T22:13:04.000Z> hazlin: yeah, if a church, wont reject globohomo ideals, and they don't teach God's Grace or His Faithfulness, then all they have is the slavery of legilism, and that doesn't help anyone
<2022-08-13T22:15:17.000Z> hazlin: I believe C.S. Lewis said that, people reject Jesus, when they have never actually known Him
<2022-08-13T22:15:31.000Z> hazlin: they think they know Him, but that is just a bunch of lies
<2022-08-13T22:15:41.000Z> hazlin: and I tend to agree with that
<2022-08-13T22:16:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: Seems like
<2022-08-13T22:18:47.000Z> hazlin: the nuance being, Jesus is ministering to them, and trying to lead them to Him, and so when they reject what IS true, it is still their fault
<2022-08-15T06:37:09.000Z> hazlin: oh! is this topic breaking along RCC lines?
<2022-08-15T06:37:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes, lmao
<2022-08-15T06:38:23.000Z> BrothorCraig: Saint George, the dragon slayer killed a dinosaur via YEC concepts, else George is another fake saint
<2022-08-15T06:39:02.000Z> hazlin: in the records of chines royalty, dragon tamers appear on staff lists
<2022-08-15T06:39:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: if tales were to be believed he killed it because the locals were worshiping it as a god and even going so far as feeding their children to it
<2022-08-15T06:39:49.000Z> hazlin: depending on which Bible you are reading, Daniel killed a dragon as well 
<2022-08-15T06:40:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: There's also an interesting breakdown of ancient kings who were descended from Noah and more having dragons 
<2022-08-15T06:40:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: I've read that story, i dont think that was a "dragon/dino" so much as a croc/alligator
<2022-08-15T06:41:44.000Z> hazlin: croc/alligators, when they are present, there are a ton of them
<2022-08-15T06:41:53.000Z> hazlin: they are like the rabbits of the reptile world
<2022-08-15T06:42:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: Yes but some of the mesopotamian kings had brontos
<2022-08-15T06:42:20.000Z> BrothorCraig: they have carved releifs of these "dragons"
<2022-08-15T06:42:38.000Z> hazlin: a dino mount would be pretty cool
<2022-08-15T06:42:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: and again, same issue with the Chinese. They explicitly say dragon, not alligator or croc
<2022-08-15T06:42:51.000Z> BrothorCraig: yup
<2022-08-15T06:46:27.000Z> BrothorCraig: YEC, if broken down properly creates an interesting set of ideas and calls into question a ton of biological issues that can't be explained otherwise
<2022-08-15T06:46:50.000Z> hazlin: huh, I don't think OEC is part of catholic dogma, so I am unsure why they are duggin defending it.
<2022-08-15T06:46:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: the biggest being that human genetic information is obviously not natural
<2022-08-15T06:48:38.000Z> hazlin: evolution doesn't work even on a OEC timeline  
<2022-08-15T06:49:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: in reality their stance is supposed to be Genesis account is literal and metaphorical. But because theyre heretics and bound heavily to globohomo poz, they believe "the science"
<2022-08-15T06:49:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: evolution is a bad joke, it doesnt even hold water jokingly
<2022-08-15T06:49:32.000Z> hazlin: ^^^
<2022-08-15T06:50:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: "DNA improves over time,"*observed over several hundred years it only degrades*
<2022-08-15T06:51:36.000Z> hazlin: I can literally talk for hours about why it doesn't hold water
<2022-08-15T06:51:49.000Z> BrothorCraig: lmao same
<2022-08-15T06:52:00.000Z> hazlin: are they also arguing for evolution?
<2022-08-15T06:53:06.000Z> BrothorCraig: theyd have to be, no other reason to go with an Old Earth; because its meat to coincide with the idea of guided evolution
<2022-08-15T06:54:08.000Z> hazlin: huh, last I read their was officially no comment from the RCC on evolution, but perhaps that isn't the case in practice 
<2022-08-15T06:55:02.000Z> BrothorCraig: they're a giant liberal run company, of course they dont have a real stance lmao
<2022-08-15T06:55:48.000Z> hazlin: that is true
<2022-08-15T07:32:53.000Z> BrothorCraig: classically though: its supposed to be that the genesis acount is a literal and metaphorical account speaking to the reality of our condition not just as men but as creations of God. the ancients were on it, but then the heretics showed up...
<2022-08-15T07:33:13.000Z> BrothorCraig: dragons though are actually "dinosaurs"; basically any huge lizard
<2022-08-15T07:35:09.000Z> BrothorCraig: the implication I found from some schizo-christian guy was that the "dragon" that George killed was likely one of the big carnivores
<2022-08-15T07:36:02.000Z> hazlin: lol if they award the title of dragon slayer for anything less, it would be a joke
<2022-08-15T07:36:42.000Z> BrothorCraig: stuff is interesting though, the schizo breakdown was literally the most sane explanation ive ever heard
<2022-08-15T07:37:12.000Z> hazlin: they usually are
<2022-08-15T07:38:05.000Z> BrothorCraig: the whole neanderthals being true humans who are over 100 was a real trip
<2022-08-15T07:39:58.000Z> hazlin: personally I am working on the "viruses and germ theory is false" angle
<2022-08-15T07:40:56.000Z> hazlin: I have the books, I just need to read them to find out, just how much of popular medical knowledge is crap
<2022-08-15T07:41:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: basically the unraveling of creation and the corruption and all is a consequence of whatever it was that changed, altered us as a species and is causing us to breakdown. This is why the neanderthals are more bulky and strong than us
<2022-08-15T07:42:32.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think most modern medical knowledge is garbage, but to disprove the older stuff; I'd have to see some substaintial evidence myself
<2022-08-15T07:42:41.000Z> BrothorCraig: terrian theory is interesting though
<2022-08-15T07:42:57.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think it needs to come back and be reintergrated into things
<2022-08-15T07:44:19.000Z> hazlin: after you get pass the unsupported claims in the intro, this builds a pretty clear picture for viruses being a garbage theory https://i.poastcdn.org/f0b902450b172866e6a81108217941d9f54cd8e33b8fe945a2c6ff64a9e0d66b.pdf
<2022-08-15T07:45:39.000Z> hazlin: I've got related books for the germ theory in general, but like I said, haven't read them yet, so I don't know which to pass a long for you xD
<2022-08-15T07:46:07.000Z> BrothorCraig: i dunno, I think the theory of viruses need to be amended. I think genetic organisms can generate viruses, which is where they actually come from, which is why genetic therapies will likely be banned in the future
<2022-08-15T07:46:10.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah
<2022-08-15T07:46:26.000Z> BrothorCraig: Noice, I'm gonna put this on my ereader
<2022-08-15T07:47:28.000Z> BrothorCraig: theres decent evidence that various viral illnesses are caused by biological misfiring as it were. Like the theory that the polio vaccine caused aids
<2022-08-15T07:49:39.000Z> hazlin: The fact that no vaccines work, not just the covid vaccine, was something I had already proven to myself, and a conclusion I had already reach was that the covid virus did not exist... and then the piece I was missing, that viruses are a catchall for causes you can't find, not even with an electron microscope made everything fit together
<2022-08-15T07:51:12.000Z> hazlin: I, will have to wait some to fully explore this topic with you
<2022-08-15T07:51:27.000Z> hazlin: I am at the beginning of study here xD
<2022-08-15T07:51:48.000Z> BrothorCraig: I don't think they work any longer. That herd immunity has had us coasting this whole time. But again, terrian theory; theres a likely amount of it all thats based on enviroment thats never been taken into account whatsoever
<2022-08-15T07:52:46.000Z> BrothorCraig: clean enviroment, no illness and a massively reduced liklihood of it all
<2022-08-15T07:52:54.000Z> BrothorCraig: needs to be looked into further
<2022-08-15T07:53:27.000Z> hazlin: I haven't gotten to alternative theories yet xD
<2022-08-15T07:54:11.000Z> hazlin: btw did you see that, bull of birmingham shit?
<2022-08-15T07:54:39.000Z> BrothorCraig: nah, whats that?
<2022-08-15T07:54:40.000Z> hazlin: 6x7g7rr6fhdoszolkqkaittdr6qzgejjxoc42q4ceaph2xttmo5vgryd.onion/@hazlin/posts/AMUjNX8OVe9gpMUuTA
<2022-08-15T07:56:55.000Z> BrothorCraig: uh....
<2022-08-15T07:56:58.000Z> BrothorCraig: it goes to nowhere?
<2022-08-15T07:57:14.000Z> hazlin: wops, TOR linked you xD
<2022-08-15T07:57:35.000Z> BrothorCraig: yeah... I'm on normie net
<2022-08-15T07:59:55.000Z> hazlin: okay, I think you can find it from that reply
<2022-08-15T08:00:20.000Z> hazlin: it appears I would have to switch off of TOR to get you a regular link xD
<2022-08-15T08:02:42.000Z> hazlin: poa.st/@hazlin/posts/AMXtmkb5gVvaXj6144 My guess at the clearnet url would be
<2022-08-15T08:15:30.000Z> hazlin: going to get some sleep, good night brother craig
<2022-08-15T08:16:01.000Z> BrothorCraig: night man
<2022-08-15T20:39:12.000Z> hazlin: Good day
<2022-08-16T12:55:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: Completely on board with the idea of mass executing pedos, 
<2022-08-17T08:13:03.000Z> BrothorCraig: I think I figured it out in that post though
<2022-08-17T08:28:52.000Z> BrothorCraig: The covid Vax was to destroy people's immune system and then the pox was released to finish them off and create a digital controlled environment to enslave what's left
<2022-08-17T17:58:38.000Z> hazlin: hmmm, I think you are right on the first part
<2022-08-17T17:58:48.000Z> hazlin: but I doubt the pox is even real
<2022-08-17T21:54:24.000Z> BrothorCraig: It could be entirely caused by the Vax or a background illness that's little known
<2022-08-21T08:41:20.000Z> hazlin: I am still using poast, but it has been interesting seeing the wider timeline
<2022-08-21T08:42:15.000Z> BrothorCraig: The shortstack account?
<2022-08-21T09:12:16.000Z> BrothorCraig: What's shortstack like?