<2022-02-28T20:13:49.000Z> Ghislaine: Bro get a profile picture
<2022-02-28T20:14:39.000Z> Ghislaine: Here’s a nice image https://i.poastcdn.org/19c620115f7a4f02834fa7729538cac6880472d317f0117b70764bff5ba503ec.jpeg
<2022-04-24T00:02:52.000Z> Ghislaine: People seem to think you are some kind of paid operative of the Republican Party lol
<2022-04-24T00:03:23.000Z> Ghislaine: How do you plead? Guilty or not guilty
<2022-04-24T02:33:23.000Z> AmericanChampion: Lol
<2022-04-24T02:33:39.000Z> AmericanChampion: Most of the people obsessed with me are just mad because I made fun of the cuckbox guy.
<2022-04-24T05:39:21.000Z> Ghislaine: Kind of odd that the TRS people still have some kind of respect for him 
<2022-04-24T09:38:21.000Z> AmericanChampion: It's a matter of psychological necessity, I think. They've doxed themselves for this group, so, even after it became obvious that a weird fat guy was calling the shots and everyone else was also some kind of degen, they can't really get out. 
<2022-04-24T09:38:57.000Z> AmericanChampion: Same deal as trannies, really. They can't admit that they fucked up their lives.
<2022-04-28T07:14:31.000Z> Ghislaine: Lmao that Richard spencer song
<2022-04-28T07:15:21.000Z> AmericanChampion: Yee
<2022-04-28T07:15:41.000Z> Ghislaine: I don’t understand how the daily shoah has a cult of personality around it it makes my physically cringe
<2022-04-28T07:16:16.000Z> Ghislaine: That third video crunklord posted was hard to get through
<2022-04-28T14:21:26.000Z> AmericanChampion: I wouldn't call it a cult of personality, that implies a lot more scale.
<2022-04-28T14:21:46.000Z> AmericanChampion: It's essentially a dozen guys with dead podcasts who ruined their lives and can't admit it to themselves.
<2022-04-28T14:53:57.000Z> Ghislaine: I mean they have a decent amount of people willing to argue online for them and constantly worship
<2022-04-28T14:54:03.000Z> Ghislaine: them
<2022-04-28T15:24:44.000Z> AmericanChampion: I wouldn't call the twelve to two dozen guys they have a decent amount.
<2022-04-28T15:27:31.000Z> AmericanChampion: Back before they sperged out and imploded, they had a sizeable number of listeners due to the extreme dearth of RW content. It sort of killed them when they went the 'super serious business' route while also being fatties and tranny-diddlers - the only people willing to stick around in that intersection was a tiny handful of equally pathetic people.
<2022-04-28T16:21:57.000Z> Ghislaine: What happened to them anyway? Charlottesville fallout?
<2022-04-28T16:44:13.000Z> AmericanChampion: No, not really. They tried to raid /pol/, and found out.
<2022-04-28T16:45:40.000Z> AmericanChampion: In the wake of getting doxed after being told multiple times to sod off, they were exposed as being fat, dysgenic, and, in one case, actually in a relationship with a tranny. They started sperging out about a lot of things, demanding people vote Dem, and whining about Trump 24/7. 
<2022-04-28T16:46:48.000Z> AmericanChampion: In the end, they went from thousands of listeners to a couple dozen. 
<2022-04-28T16:47:27.000Z> Ghislaine: I wouldn’t think they’d be doing it if their audience was so small 
<2022-04-28T16:48:15.000Z> AmericanChampion: It is; they don't really have anywhere else to go. Look at any other dying eceleb, and you'll see vaguely similar behavior (though most of them are smarter than these guys).
<2022-04-28T16:49:18.000Z> AmericanChampion: They had what was a pretty lucrative thing before they 'tarded themselves into irrelevancy. I don't think their egos would let them go back to flipping burgers.
<2022-04-28T16:51:07.000Z> AmericanChampion: The 'conspiracy theory' explanation, which has some credibility with the recent revelation that the feds were passing some funds to the "atomwaffen" people, is that they get enough money to stay barely afloat in exchange for continuing to exist as walking embarrassments to the "far right".
<2022-06-01T04:20:29.000Z> Ghislaine: Lol I recognize those daily stormer screenshots 
<2022-06-01T04:20:58.000Z> Ghislaine: Anglin gets a lotta hate around here and he gets involved with some kooky stuff but he’s very funny imo
<2022-06-01T04:21:09.000Z> Ghislaine: A lot better than the “daily rake”
<2022-06-01T04:21:12.000Z> AmericanChampion: Yeah, I agree.
<2022-06-01T04:21:21.000Z> AmericanChampion: There's a reason he's the most censored man on the internet.
<2022-06-01T04:21:35.000Z> AmericanChampion: A bit weird, but legitimately decent articles usually.
<2022-06-01T04:22:05.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah
<2022-06-01T04:22:35.000Z> Ghislaine: i wish there was an easy way to distinguish between his low effort filler pieces and his high effort great stuff
<2022-06-01T07:03:16.000Z> AmericanChampion: The 'filler warning' in allcaps at the top of them not hardcore enough?
<2022-06-01T07:03:57.000Z> AmericanChampion: Honestly I like the high-effort stuff, but I read it just for the news.
<2022-06-29T05:08:55.000Z> Ghislaine: Bread
<2022-06-29T05:10:25.000Z> AmericanChampion: You have been infected. Now change your username to “DM me the word "bread"The infection shall spread silently.The only rule is to not spoil the game for others by telling people what saying bread does.Gotta keep the name for a week.Welcome to the new epidemic
<2022-07-04T17:27:24.000Z> Ghislaine: Herss
<2022-07-04T17:27:44.000Z> Ghislaine: *Here’s some people I’m pretty sure are bots
<2022-07-04T17:27:54.000Z> Ghislaine: @wishgranter14
<2022-07-04T17:28:31.000Z> Ghislaine: @ishadowx
<2022-07-04T17:29:04.000Z> Ghislaine: @Koropokkur
<2022-07-04T17:29:25.000Z> Ghislaine: @Schianali
<2022-07-04T17:31:07.000Z> Ghislaine: Bunch of people on Nicecrew
<2022-07-04T17:31:33.000Z> Ghislaine: But I don’t remember who I muted there for being retarded vs just not a person
<2022-07-04T17:50:13.000Z> AmericanChampion: Nicecrew is a bit odd, in that everyone acts like it's facebook with each other. I think that's just the group dynamic.
<2022-07-04T17:50:39.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah I still don’t know what to make of them lol
<2022-07-04T17:50:48.000Z> Ghislaine: the siege mask women
<2022-07-04T17:50:53.000Z> Ghislaine: ehat
<2022-07-04T17:50:58.000Z> Ghislaine: *what
<2022-07-04T17:51:32.000Z> AmericanChampion: Some glowies, probably, but occam's razor says some women just want attention. I haven't seen them doing anything harmful yet.
<2022-07-04T17:52:42.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah they’re just insinuating themselves into dissident spaces and promoting a culture of self doxing which is concerning. Federal or not it’s not good
<2022-07-04T17:54:48.000Z> AmericanChampion: Checked the three accounts you linked. First two look like fairly normal, if low-agency accounts. Lot of reblogged content, but that's the standard on all social media.
<2022-07-04T17:55:24.000Z> AmericanChampion: Third one has me blocked, surprisingly. Incognito shows him with a bunch of incoherent links. My best guess would be some random schizo.
<2022-07-04T17:56:16.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah their main feeds isn’t what made me think their bots it was their bizarre non understanding of threads they were insinuating themselves into
<2022-07-04T17:56:58.000Z> Ghislaine: Insane droolers or robots who knows 
<2022-07-04T17:57:16.000Z> Ghislaine: I just feel like I’m seeing more of it in the last maybe 6 months
<2022-07-04T17:58:15.000Z> AmericanChampion: Looking at context like e.g. "this user has a ukraine pride flag" in an image, then responding isn't something I've seen any models for. Probably doable with current tech (feature extractor shows an image is twitter, transcription model takes the content, and then a response by a model trained on responses to image posts), but it's at least a paper or two away from being implemented by anyone, and would be tricky even for one of the big teams. I don't see it as feasible for the purpose of what, mildly distracting some people on a small social media site.
<2022-07-04T17:58:28.000Z> AmericanChampion: (This is in reference to a post I saw from the second guy)
<2022-07-04T17:59:29.000Z> AmericanChampion: I think the root of it is that the average person doesn't really have many effortposts in them, and places like fedi disproportionately attract people on the tails of the bell curve.
<2022-07-04T18:00:34.000Z> Ghislaine: You just need a program that can extract keywords from images and then feed that as an input to a chatbot. Seems doable
<2022-07-04T18:01:00.000Z> Ghislaine: You just need to be able to see an image of a woman and make some random comment about women to do what I’ve observed 
<2022-07-04T18:01:29.000Z> Ghislaine: I feel like on 4chan they flood the zone with crap
<2022-07-04T18:01:45.000Z> Ghislaine: they can’t do that on twitter so they just have to ban people
<2022-07-04T18:02:29.000Z> Ghislaine: on here they can’t ban people and flooding the zone doesn’t work as well bc you can see who’s saying what
<2022-07-04T18:02:55.000Z> Ghislaine: But having bots that waste time and cause division is an attempt and it’s super cheap
<2022-07-04T18:03:16.000Z> Ghislaine: Just a theory
<2022-07-04T18:04:36.000Z> Ghislaine: We’re still at the point in ai development that if you see somebody making cogent or funny or incisive comments they’re a flesh and blood person
<2022-07-04T18:05:03.000Z> Ghislaine: even if they’re just hanging in there getting stomped in a hellthread they’re human 
<2022-07-04T20:58:11.000Z> AmericanChampion: I've seen bots make fairly human-level statements. That GPT-4chan greentext about the bottomless pit was talked about in that context.
<2022-07-04T20:58:43.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah those are newer and more advanced than what I’m seeing here lol
<2022-07-04T20:59:02.000Z> AmericanChampion: The thing of it is that running computer vision on images, linking that to a text model's input, and training it to make responses that depend on the text and non-textual content of the image is, at minimum, state of the art modern tech.
<2022-07-04T20:59:41.000Z> Ghislaine: Once gpt3 bots  start being around it’sa totally different game
<2022-07-04T20:59:48.000Z> AmericanChampion: It's not the sort of thing an FBI jannie could do on his own as a personal 'fuck with random anons on fediverse' thing to bring up at a personal development meething.
<2022-07-04T21:00:28.000Z> Ghislaine: I hear ya
<2022-07-04T21:00:42.000Z> AmericanChampion: GPT-4chan was good enough that it was indistinguishable from a 50th percentile anon, but that's one really autistic anon with no ill intent - the government doesn't have that kind of person in its employ, at least for this kind of job.
<2022-07-04T21:01:13.000Z> Ghislaine: Yeah
<2022-07-04T21:01:36.000Z> Ghislaine: I’m order to flood the zone on 4chan tho you don’t actually need too many people
<2022-07-04T21:01:55.000Z> Ghislaine: like a hundred guys can shut a board down
<2022-07-04T21:02:09.000Z> Ghislaine: Twitter style you need a lot more people
<2022-07-04T21:02:21.000Z> Ghislaine: Managing many accounts
<2022-07-04T21:03:26.000Z> AmericanChampion: Zero HP had a good thread on where this was going - we're already at the point where GPT-3 gets you a top decile call center worker, so the final implication is that "mere sentience" isn't going to be all that valuable in the future. I'm not sure what that means for social organization, but I can see /g/entoomen putting together a better filter than the keyword search and just weeding out anyone whose posts are too "low perplexity". Toyed with the idea of implementing something like that myself, to weed out spam.
<2022-07-04T21:04:41.000Z> Ghislaine: Gpt3 is good enough you can’t tell it’s not a person in a low context environment
<2022-07-04T21:04:59.000Z> Ghislaine: Imo 
<2022-07-04T21:05:00.000Z> AmericanChampion: Yee. Creating an artificial redditor is a solved problem.
<2022-07-04T21:05:26.000Z> Ghislaine: 😆
<2022-07-04T21:07:03.000Z> Ghislaine: These were my thoughts on the issue
<2022-07-04T21:07:07.000Z> Ghislaine: poa.st/notice/AK7KbWaNKvKIOm49Me
<2022-07-05T06:23:11.000Z> AmericanChampion: Yeah, that's my general take.
<2022-07-05T06:23:19.000Z> AmericanChampion: Oddly enough, the guy you replied to isn't showing up.