<2022-05-13T08:45:20.000Z> cirnog: Taking a month off posting, I'll login every few days to see if anything important happened but otherwise I'm busy being a normie offline
<2022-05-13T21:08:30.000Z> Aether: cool, have fun IRL
<2022-07-07T10:53:06.000Z> Aether: Armpit
<2022-07-07T10:54:32.000Z> cirnog: Here you go https://i.poastcdn.org/674483a9039d8a135013015f6faaf86e3d95a493431285df4f3d4765598e382d.jpg
<2022-07-07T10:55:21.000Z> Aether: Noice
<2022-08-22T10:13:14.000Z> cirnog: >meet redhead tomboy IRL>she has a boyfriend
<2022-08-22T10:13:29.000Z> cirnog: haha funny prank God haha that showed me
<2022-08-22T10:20:37.000Z> Aether: Keep looking friend, I believe in you
<2022-08-22T10:22:39.000Z> cirnog: Yeah not mad just thought it was funny
<2022-08-22T10:22:58.000Z> cirnog: please marry your tomboy they're endangered
<2022-08-22T10:23:16.000Z> Aether: I am planning to ask her in a few weeks
<2022-08-22T10:24:11.000Z> cirnog: WOW
<2022-08-22T10:24:31.000Z> cirnog: Congrats man hope things go wonderfully for you two
<2022-08-22T10:24:47.000Z> Aether: Will see what she says 
<2022-08-22T10:25:36.000Z> cirnog: Praying for you friend
<2022-08-22T10:25:57.000Z> Aether: Thanks
<2022-11-01T08:50:33.000Z> cirnog: SCALAR IS BACKHE CAN RED LIST US ALL ON ADRENOCHROME
<2022-11-01T09:29:54.000Z> Aether: OMG!
<2022-11-01T09:35:11.000Z> cirnog: And it's actually him because I sent scalar a few dms about A2 milk before he left, and new scalar remembered the conversation. Either that or the world's best skinwalker
<2022-11-01T09:35:35.000Z> Aether: That is good to know
<2022-11-01T09:36:33.000Z> cirnog: easiest way to verify anons :^)
<2022-11-01T09:37:00.000Z> Aether: Indeed, I have seen fake returns and this is good to see
<2023-04-01T10:17:59.000Z> cirnog: btw i'm udon
<2023-04-01T10:18:15.000Z> cirnog: wasn't sure when to tell you or if you'd figure it out
<2023-04-01T10:18:53.000Z> Aether: I had a feeling the text seemed familiar
<2023-04-01T10:19:36.000Z> cirnog: I changed the emojis from cirnog's name to udon's name and nobody picked up on it, maybe it was too subtle
<2023-04-01T10:20:03.000Z> Aether: I missed it, so seems to be
<2023-04-01T10:21:42.000Z> cirnog: i'll call that a mild opsec success
<2023-04-01T10:23:19.000Z> Aether: Yes it is
<2023-04-01T10:25:05.000Z> cirnog: anyway i wont be using cirnog this year, been trying to post less cynical stuff and poast got annoying
<2023-04-01T10:25:26.000Z> cirnog: Hope your engagement is going well, or marriage if it already happened
<2023-04-01T10:26:01.000Z> Aether: Not yet, not going to give the date for opsec. 
<2023-04-01T10:28:34.000Z> cirnog: naturally, I figured everyone who does post about it keeps it secret for several months after the fact
<2023-04-01T10:29:12.000Z> cirnog: and probably you can't go too deep into specficis about the house so don't worry
<2023-04-01T10:29:14.000Z> Aether: Yep, and when I do will give a fake date
<2023-04-01T10:30:24.000Z> Aether: Not really. I left Melbourne for new job and have bought land near new house town. 
<2023-04-01T10:31:17.000Z> cirnog: I have a lot of experience doing renovations so I'm just throwing out ideas. electricity plumbing and data are things that you want to get right first
<2023-04-01T10:32:21.000Z> cirnog: with a concrete slab you're limited in what you can change later, though any cables you can run in conduit outside the house, plumbing not so much
<2023-04-01T10:32:26.000Z> Aether: I am doing my research. From what I can tell the plumbing design is the most expensive. Extra concrete and ceiling is minimal compared to that
<2023-04-01T10:36:16.000Z> cirnog: Yeah it's a real pain connecting plumbing to mains and wastewater both technically and due to whatever your local regualtions are
<2023-04-01T10:36:56.000Z> cirnog: electrical is much simpler especially if you start with extra capacity/3phase supply
<2023-04-01T10:37:10.000Z> Aether: Water is a couple hundred meters from the block. Power is hard but could come through an easement over a neighbours property. 
<2023-04-01T10:37:48.000Z> Aether: Sewerage scheme ends at the town limit
<2023-04-01T10:38:11.000Z> cirnog: data can be retrofitted but since you're building it's good to accomodate a closet for any networking gear/entry point ,especially if you want cameras and other security stuff
<2023-04-01T10:39:30.000Z> Aether: That is a good point. I have been looking at display homes and noticed those in about 40% of the new builds
<2023-04-01T10:40:58.000Z> cirnog: Also it's an american thing to do but if you run data cables in conduit in the walls, you can easily rewire it by using the old cable as a drawstring
<2023-04-01T10:41:56.000Z> Aether: In the newest homes the are run in the dry wall
<2023-04-01T10:43:27.000Z> cirnog: It's really useful and lets you DIY a lot of stuff later. Setting up a home media server that you control  should help keep the kids off the internet
<2023-04-01T10:44:42.000Z> Aether: That is something I have been worried about. The groomer menace is an ever present danger
<2023-04-01T10:46:41.000Z> cirnog: Also I know I've ragged on solar panels a lot, but if you can afford them I do think it's worth investing in. If you were on a deep well pump for water I would absolutely recommend it, if your septic tank needs a pump it's still probably a good idea, don't want to lose the shitter in a power outage
<2023-04-01T10:49:03.000Z> Aether: Solar panels are not that bad in home living situations, you just have to think of them as batteries. Since the power grid here is getting fucked by the midwits in charge, having panels may be necessary just for retards in government insurance 
<2023-04-01T10:52:46.000Z> cirnog: it's ironic that grid scale solar investment (and lack of thermal investment) is creating fuckups that can be fixed by home scale solar investment.  At this point battery back up is comparable in cost to a generator and transfer switch
<2023-04-01T10:54:05.000Z> Aether: That is the thinking in my design and budgeting. I have found myself looking to even go off grid as our government has built in power stealing features to power meters 
<2023-04-01T10:54:29.000Z> cirnog: worth considering that you can nigger rig a battery backup out of old car batteries and micro controllers, but the inverter and mains power stuff you can't cheap out on. 
<2023-04-01T10:56:29.000Z> cirnog: I know you guys have DRED for some HVAC stuff and it's bullshit
<2023-04-01T11:01:08.000Z> cirnog: HVAC is also a tricky one you want to be thinking about early, good insulation and double glazing (triple if you're being silly) cuts down a lot of your costs and makes it easier to size whatever system you pick. Forced ventilation does a lot of good for the air quality if you can't leave the windows open and get a lot of natural ventillation
<2023-04-01T11:01:12.000Z> Aether: Reverse cycle are not that bad. Evapourated cooling is ok when it is a dry heat, but it can often get humid and it just does not work. We also tend to have gas heating
<2023-04-01T11:01:55.000Z> Aether: We are required by the building code to hit 7 stars. Double glazing and heavy insulation are a must now
<2023-04-01T11:02:54.000Z> cirnog: does it have any mechanical ventillation requirements besides extractor fans?
<2023-04-01T11:03:23.000Z> Aether: Not that I am aware of
<2023-04-01T11:03:45.000Z> cirnog: also for the love of God don't put your range/cooktop on a kitchen island, suspended rangehoods are a nightmare
<2023-04-01T11:05:19.000Z> Aether: Not planning to. I like this montana series. kiallahomes.com.au/kialla-design-range/the-montana-series/ Although would have wrap around verandah and ditch the garage to lengthen the front and have home office in the extra space
<2023-04-01T11:12:30.000Z> cirnog: that does look nice
<2023-04-01T11:12:54.000Z> cirnog: ceiling crawl space might be a bit tight
<2023-04-01T11:13:43.000Z> Aether: That can be an issue here. Australians do not have high pitched roofs. 
<2023-04-01T11:20:41.000Z> cirnog: it's also worth thinking about skylights, you get more light from a low pitched roof. The 3D walk around on that site probably doesn't need any but that hallway might get dark without the lights on
<2023-04-01T11:21:15.000Z> Aether: I have been thinking of having a vaulted ceiling with sky lights in the main area
<2023-04-01T11:23:34.000Z> cirnog: the natural lighting from a skylight looks really nice. It's hard to tell how well lit a room is going to be before it's finished so i'd err on making it brighter
<2023-04-01T11:23:59.000Z> cirnog: Best thing to do while still planning is talk to some tradies that do a lot of work on existing builds. The guys doing new builds don't always know what problems people run into down the line
<2023-04-01T11:24:06.000Z> Aether: Yes, that is something I am working on
<2023-04-01T11:24:33.000Z> Aether: Good point on the tradies there.
<2023-04-01T11:26:13.000Z> cirnog: Generally new builds from big contractors are like construction lines, they have it all planned out and assembled according to the plans and that drives the cost down
<2023-04-01T11:26:37.000Z> cirnog: So you have to watch out for when they design things that save them costs but make things a pain for you or tradies down the line
<2023-04-01T11:27:48.000Z> cirnog: because if you have to start calling in several sub trades to work around the design it really hurts
<2023-04-01T11:28:19.000Z> cirnog: think that's all the major points off the top of my head